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| more deaths ;__; but really good episode, great action and fights :D |
| The pacing is almost right now. Could still slow down a bit. |
| I am falling, I am fading, I am drowning, help me to breathe. |
| She killed it in the end anyways. Dafuck. MC really sucks unless she transforms to her badass mode. |
| Good episode. I will be happy if she finally can't help them. |
| Lol did the monster guy make the wheel get stuck in the tracks or was that just a coincidence, the teacher didnt want to die alone so she was gonna take that last kid with her, this show is more dark than i thought lol |
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| Was this episode any better than the last 2 ? Please tell so I can know to drop it. |
| Mostly boring episode, besides the ending. |
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| A pretty nice episode, I must admit that I liked this one. Awesome OST btw. symbv said: More deaths... The feeling of the show trying to out-Madoka Madoka is even stronger in this episode. Got the same feeling myself. |
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| It's obvious this mahou shoujo anime has a darker plot than most other mahou shoujo anime it was the same for Madoka. And it's safe to assume that this is trying to go even darker than Madoka. Judging the characters i see a few possibilities where it will go wrong. Ginka doesn't seem to fully understand the danger she is facing which makes me to think see will do something to make things go wrong in a future episode or she will get seriously hurt herself. Seira has a harsh personality and she seems to have difficulty accepting Akari she already attacked her when Akari did something she didn't like. The possibility of her killing a other member of the group or organisation is high which could be a other factor of things going wrong. Luna is very insecure and it seems she has a multiple large burdens resting on her shoulders she might crack at some point. Their are multiple possibilities in this anime of things going wrong it might also be a combination of things going wrong. Honestly i am really looking forward of what else this anime is going to bring us. |
NeverSleep said: The reverse Death card made it's clear appearance after all, this is probably connected directly to some kind of enemy using this card since there are only 21 warriors but 22 tarot cards. I think "The Wheel" (Fate/Fortune) or "The World" (Universe/Existence) is the card outside of the avatar process since either card could be considered to reference something that is more powerful and transcends the rather simplistic conflict between Tarot aspects that's supposed to be the kickstarter for this series. Since the use and interpretations of the Tarot seem to be (perhaps aptly) at the level of a middle-school novice reader (with distinct fluffy bunny tendencies) I wouldn't take anything too seriously that they offer as an explanation. |
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rodac said: Made me laugh! :)Since the use and interpretations of the Tarot seem to be (perhaps aptly) at the level of a middle-school novice reader (with distinct fluffy bunny tendencies) ... |
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RLinksoul said: Omniknight said: I don't think you really grasped the reasons behind Madoka's actions if you thought she was a completely passive character... Madoka Magica is about the process of becoming a mahou shoujo. If she become one in episode 1-3, there would be no story... Ah the typical "You didn't get the point of the show." Defense. Always fun. I really don't think I should have to explain the entire plot of the series just to point out that I prefer a magical girl protagonist who doesn't stand on the sidelines and cry the whole show, or one who actually has a personality. I'm personally having trouble with the idea of your typical mahou shoujo protagonst having personality actually... Considering they all cry and are shy and innocent, I don't see how that's different from Madoka in that regard. However, she was never entirely passive and she steps up to plate at the end of it too. To be honest though, she's not my favourite character either, since I see her a foil for the other characters. But your preferences are your preferences. I wasn't trying to start an argument just to be clear since you got all defensive. |
OmniknightJul 21, 2013 5:39 PM
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| Boring episode, except for the end. The story has yet to make me actually give a shit about the characters or story. I think I'll just drop this. |
| This series has been in production hell since at least Comiket 80 in 2011 and had the working title "Genei no Messiah"/"Blood of Fortune" initially, predating the airing of Madoka. Quick google search of those names shows archived announcements, characters, etc. It's possible the script was pushed further into darker territory after Madoka's insane success, but I'm going to guess that with the working title Blood of Fortune the series wasn't going down a happy path to begin with. We'll never really know. It's unfortunate that this show will never be given a chance living in the shadow of Madoka. Not saying this is AOTY or it's breaking new ground or anything, but it's its own thing and is watchable as a mahou shoujo series (christ almighty that first episode was a colossal trainwreck though). Dunno how the character design and art style is so polarizing. I'm personally enamored with it and really despair that there's not going to be much in the way of fanart for this series. |
| Some what trying to be like Madoka? with the animals and the girls hesitation |
Barion-Zara said: VioLink said: neontaster said: I know many people hate the character designs for this show but I really dig the whole style concept. It's its own thing and I appreciate that. Also fire hair = win. It looked cool when she did her running attack. Loved both those scenes too. Dat hair :D Yes the scene of her running absolutely amazing. |
| Honestly, the only thing that connects to "Madoka-Magica" besides Aniplex's involvement is the "battle barriers" (and where the girls can only see it's Daemonia form) and the "gritty" magical girl theme... On top of that, I really like Luna more. I love her child form with that bonnet.. What a cute baby! |
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Takuan_Soho said: I have to agree, though I do not feel that much of Sakura Taisen's vibe except some visual similarity. The self-conscious part is definitely there, and there is also the balance thing - which here seems too slow grindingly grim for watchers in Japan, and the odd character designs with the big head and sticky limbs, certainly do not endear to fans in Japan. Currently it is struggling in the bottom tier among titles in this cour, and looking at the titles for the coming episodes I can see the story will get grimmer and grimmer. If the series is already deemed too grim without any balancing appeal in other aspects, I think the series will just sink deeper and deeper in the disc sales race.the weakness of this show is that it is a bit too conscious in what it does with everything, so not only are you correct, but your comment has twice the meaning. The show is a little too studied, a little too forced. It also borrows a bit too much from Sakura Taisen. The "transportation sequence" in episode two reminded me of the Sakura Movie. The show really needs to develop its own voice if it wants to move discs. Right now it is watchable, but not re-watchable. newnar said: Not really. But anyway, even potatoes and oranges are comparable as plants and food for human consumption. The thing is we can find a lot more similarities between Madoka and this show than, say, between Lucky Star or MacrossF and this show. Harsh fate and grim destiny awaiting a young girl caught involuntarily in a mahou shoujo fight against monsters who were originally normal humans within certain "magic sphere" is what made people compare the two shows, and I don't think there are many shows that share the same traits as these two anime. Comparing this with Madoka is like comparing potatoes to oranges |
symbvJul 22, 2013 12:16 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| After watching Gatchaman episode 2, and now I want to know what with MC saving monsters? |
FlamingYu said: Better ask whats with the black-white display of the most shows. Most of the time protagonist can kill freely because monsters are just evil. For that matter, its ok when protagonists kill, because they're killing "evil" people. I like it, when shows try to make the antagonist sentient, although this is often badly handled.After watching Gatchaman episode 2, and now I want to know what with MC saving monsters? |
FlamingYu said: Yeah, another thing that came to my mind when I watched Gatchaman ep.2 ! Quite a coincidence I must say.After watching Gatchaman episode 2, and now I want to know what with MC saving monsters? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Regular episode, full of clichés and doubts of the protagonist, but I did not expect this, and even with these tips that I do not like the structure of the work is getting at least arrest me. The drama and anticipation to convey quality, just hope there is, behind it, a story and plot deeper, as well as Madoka, but of course, leaving aside all comparisons. |
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nagatoyuki108 said: From Amazon Stalker - http://www27392u.sakura.ne.jp/index_news.cgi#headerJust out of curiosity, where did you find the disk sales numbers? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Foo. Had I let lack of similarity be my main criteria for a show I would have stopped watching anime 10 years ago. Whatever, so far I like this show. symbv said: only sort of. Potatoes have to be cooked to destroy some toxins. So, in a valid sense they are not edible.newnar said: Not really. But anyway, even potatoes and oranges are comparable as plants and food for human consumption. Comparing this with Madoka is like comparing potatoes to oranges |
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Cratex said: But you get the idea why I said EVEN the two are comparable, don't you??symbv said: only sort of. Potatoes have to be cooked to destroy some toxins. So, in a valid sense they are not edible.newnar said: Not really. But anyway, even potatoes and oranges are comparable as plants and food for human consumption. Comparing this with Madoka is like comparing potatoes to oranges |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
fatsumie said: Oh my, Magical Girls and talking anime. Never seen that before Madoka. Oh wait - its a common occurence in magical girl shows that both Madoka and Genei as basic concept to deconstruct. And no, Madoka wasn't the first dark magical show. Just look at Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne (at least the manga), Princess Tutu or even My-Hime, all of them predating Madoka by far.Some what trying to be like Madoka? with the animals and the girls hesitation I guess a lot of Madoka fans haven't even seen real magical girl shows before and tend to think every magical girl show except Madoka is Sailor Moon. Stop measure everything with Madoka just because its a show with typical properties of Magical Girl shows. |
nagatoyuki108 said: For very good, <100; quite good <500; so-so <1000 (if we want to be generous, then <2000). Anything else, bad. Note I am talking about the ranking, which is what I have always been talking about when I talked about sales of this title in this thread. symbv said: What's the general cutoff for good or bad ranks on there?nagatoyuki108 said: From Amazon Stalker - http://www27392u.sakura.ne.jp/index_news.cgi#headerJust out of curiosity, where did you find the disk sales numbers? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| This series is really reminiscent to Madoka Magica to me...well, except that I don't quite find it as "tragic." It isn't blowing me out of the water, but it is piquing my interest. So far, it's one of my favorite series that debuted this season...right along with Kamisama no Inai Nichiyoubi and Blood Lad. |
| Of course you can compare this to Madoka, but I find the comparison to only be a broad brush type. They are both Mahou Shoujo. They are both dark. They both deal with the protagonist having doubts on whether to do it or not. But that's just about where the comparisons end for me. At least thus far it seems Genei is doing something different and doing it in a different way. It remains to be seen whether some of the later stuff and the ending are more comparable to Madoka, but thus far I think it is a bit unfair to try and stretch the comparisons. "Oh, this is also about humans turned into monsters." Yeah, so are 70,000 other shows. I'm watching Shikabane Hime right now and that's also the plot of that show, but I wouldn't compare it to Madoka. In any case I will reserve judgment on the Madoka comparison until this show ends. Otherwise I am being unfair and judging it before it has a chance to branch off and do its own thing. |
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neontaster said: And I think this already makes a good base for people to associate the two shows together. At the end, one reason why people would start to compare it with Madoka is because Madoka is the show they see that share more traits with this show and comes first to mind. So it is FAIR to do the comparison even with that few (or many, I'd actually say) similarities. Of course you can compare this to Madoka, but I find the comparison to only be a broad brush type. They are both Mahou Shoujo. They are both dark. They both deal with the protagonist having doubts on whether to do it or not. But that's just about where the comparisons end for me. neontaster said: Of course we will never have an identical show, but that should not prevent us from making comparisons. Doing this is actually fair. Also don't forget there is a phrase "compare and contrast" -- in literal criticism, we compare the similarities and contrast the differences. Comparing two shows that share so many traits is even valid if this show goes to a completely different direction because if we look back we can still say the first part of this series is comparable to Madoka. What has been shown now already gives us enough ground to do that. At least thus far it seems Genei is doing something different and doing it in a different way. It remains to be seen whether some of the later stuff and the ending are more comparable to Madoka, but thus far I think it is a bit unfair to try and stretch the comparisons. neontaster said: How do you come with the 70,000 number, may I ask? If we want to talk about facts, let's stay with facts without gross exaggeration please. And of course it is less meaningful if you compare two shows that share very few common traits: we may not want to compare every show that has "human turned into monsters" but if it is combined with other traits that are shared (and you already mentioned above) I do not see why then the two shows are not meaningful to be compared."Oh, this is also about humans turned into monsters." Yeah, so are 70,000 other shows. I'm watching Shikabane Hime right now and that's also the plot of that show, but I wouldn't compare it to Madoka. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: I was using hyperbole, not stating a fact. And I simply meant that people being turned into monsters is a relatively common theme in the world of supernatural fiction in general and not just in anime, so it feels like a weird point of comparison. It's like comparing two mecha shows because both have giant robots in them. Is that fair? Sure it is, but it's not exactly a strong point of comparison because giant robots are an entire genre. Put it this way - you can compare, say, Evangelion and RahXephon because both are psychological mecha shows, but I wouldn't say that the shows are similar because both have mecha. The similarities exist elsewhere. In that same way I don't think the witches/Deamonea is a very strong point of comparison. The air of desperation and uncertainty seems a better place to start for me. And again - if what you are doing is comparing and contrasting then by all means do. What I don't like is when someone says "this is just like Madoka and therefore I don't like it." As long as you are not being overly simplistic like that, then any comparison is valid. Like I said before, I can compare Genei Taiyou quite a bit with Darker Than Black, for example. They are very different kinds of shows but they share certain themes. I really wasn't picking a fight here. I was just complaining at people's dismissal of a show because it reminds them of another one. I rarely watch anime that doesn't at least remind me of other anime. Seems like a weird reason to not watch something, that's all. |
neontasterJul 22, 2013 11:48 AM
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neontaster said: Mixing hyperbole in a debate does not raise the quality of it. It only made you sound lofty and bombastic without adding value to the essence of the matter being debated. It is something that is commonly warned against in debate training. Anyway, I wonder why you singled out the "people turned into monster" theme out of the many similarities it shares with Madoka but not other traits -- did we see many people saying this show is like Madoka simply because of that similarity only? If there are not that many doing this kind of overly simple comparison, aren't you raising some straw man for criticism? I was using hyperbole, not stating a fact. And I simply meant that people being turned into monsters is a relatively common theme in the world of supernatural fiction in general and not just in anime, so it feels like a weird point of comparison. neontaster said: But in your original post, you did not mention that your post is to rebut people's dismissing this show simply because it reminds them of another show. You only talked about why you don't think the two shows should be compared beyond a "general brush" level. I really wasn't picking a fight here. I was just complaining at people's dismissal of a show because it reminds them of another one. I rarely watch anime that doesn't at least remind me of other anime. Seems like a weird reason to not watch something, that's all. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: neontaster said: Mixing hyperbole in a debate does not raise the quality of it. It only made you sound lofty and bombastic without adding value to the essence of the matter being debated. It is something that is commonly warned against in debate training. Anyway, I wonder why you singled out the "people turned into monster" theme out of the many similarities it shares with Madoka but not other traits -- did we see many people saying this show is like Madoka simply because of that similarity only? If there are not that many doing this kind of overly simple comparison, aren't you raising some straw man for criticism?I was using hyperbole, not stating a fact. And I simply meant that people being turned into monsters is a relatively common theme in the world of supernatural fiction in general and not just in anime, so it feels like a weird point of comparison. I can only relate the things I see myself (mostly on Twitter but also anime blogs). I think calling it a Madoka clone is wholly unfair, and I see that quite often. And the people thing I mentioned because I actually think that is an aspect in which the shows aren't that similar. I mean generally yes, but the scenarios strike me as pretty different. I mean, no one can argue that both shows are dark mahou shoujo, but the witches and deamonea scenario is slightly different. And I don't use hyperbole when I am trying to pick apart someone's argument. In this case I was just making a general comment so I let myself go a bit wild. I didn't feel I was arguing directly with anyone so I didn't think I'd be beholden to the actual number 70,000. Should have just went with "several other" instead. symbv said: neontaster said: But in your original post, you did not mention that your post is to rebut people's dismissing this show simply because it reminds them of another show. You only talked about why you don't think the two shows should be compared beyond a "general brush" level. I really wasn't picking a fight here. I was just complaining at people's dismissal of a show because it reminds them of another one. I rarely watch anime that doesn't at least remind me of other anime. Seems like a weird reason to not watch something, that's all. I was actually taking your side against the people who said it can't be compared to Madoka at all. I think we are confusing two different things here: 1. Can you compare and contrast these two shows? 2. Are these two shows comparable? I definitely think you can compare and contrast the two but personally I find them relatively incomparable at least at this early stage. It is entirely possible that it'll take a sharp turn at some point and head down an entirely different path, and it's also entirely possible that it'll end very similarly to Madoka, thus making the shows highly comparable. You could also compare Madoka to Cowboy Bebop if you want, but they are very incomparable shows. Granted, Genei Taiyou is way way closer to Madoka than Cowboy Bebop, but I don't think we've seen enough of where this show is going to determine that the two are comparable. That doesn't mean you aren't allowed to compare and contrast them, though. I just don't think you can make a definitive call yet. If I compared and contrasted this with Madoka right now, I think I would find more things to contrast than compare. They feature many of the same elements, but for different reasons and they've played out differently thus far. |
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| I agree with neontaster. The two shows are both dark magical girl shows - but with entirely different structure and premisse. While the Protagonist in Genei is part of an organisation (like Hajime in Gatchaman or Robin in Witch Hunter Robin), Madoka and friends are a loose bunch of people (like Bunny and friends in Sailor Moon or Sakura and friends in Cardcaptor Sakura). |
symbv said: But you get the idea why I said EVEN the two are comparable, don't you?? Yeah, I was just wanted to quibble the technical details :) (by the way, after I posted that last night I got a craving for french fries and ended up cooking some). At any rate, I also see more differences than similarities between the two shows, but then even my cat thinks I'm weird. |
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| This is now the first show I dropped this season. I find the action scenes to be pretty cool and creative, but the characters are extremely dull, boring and I couldn't care less about what happens to them. |
| so much loliness, perfeito |
I'ts a kind of kids's delivery? I laughed so hard xD |
| nice episode... |
| I feel like I'm watching Madoka all over again, except there aren't any evil stuffed animals around... I'm not saying it's a bad thing though, but I'm waiting for some more action and character developpment. |
neontaster said: Thanks for your detailed and patient explanation, I think you have made your points articulately for all of us. But I would definitely disagree that "we haven't seen enough of where this show is going to determine that the two are comparable" because as I said what we have seen so far already provides enough ground for the two shows to compare. What is "comparable"? In simple words, it means they are good to be compared. And what if I ask someone who has watched a fair amount of anime what anime would come to mind after watching this show? Cowbody Bepop or Madoka? If more people pick Madoka than Cowboy Bepop, then it is fair to say that Genei and Madoka are more comparable. And as I said, even if the direction of this show goes to a very different direction, what we have seen so far is already good ground to compare the two shows, if only for the part of the series shown so far.I don't think we've seen enough of where this show is going to determine that the two are comparable. That doesn't mean you aren't allowed to compare and contrast them, though. I just don't think you can make a definitive call yet. If I compared and contrasted this with Madoka right now, I think I would find more things to contrast than compare. They feature many of the same elements, but for different reasons and they've played out differently thus far. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: neontaster said: Thanks for your detailed and patient explanation, I think you have made your points articulately for all of us. But I would definitely disagree that "we haven't seen enough of where this show is going to determine that the two are comparable" because as I said what we have seen so far already provides enough ground for the two shows to compare. What is "comparable"? In simple words, it means they are good to be compared. And what if I ask someone who has watched a fair amount of anime what anime would come to mind after watching this show? Cowbody Bepop or Madoka? If more people pick Madoka than Cowboy Bepop, then it is fair to say that Genei and Madoka are more comparable. And as I said, even if the direction of this show goes to a very different direction, what we have seen so far is already good ground to compare the two shows, if only for the part of the series shown so far.I don't think we've seen enough of where this show is going to determine that the two are comparable. That doesn't mean you aren't allowed to compare and contrast them, though. I just don't think you can make a definitive call yet. If I compared and contrasted this with Madoka right now, I think I would find more things to contrast than compare. They feature many of the same elements, but for different reasons and they've played out differently thus far. Fair enough. And no worries. If I see fights in these threads I tend to stay away. I'd rather write a lot of text as part of a good discussion rather than a fight. :) |
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| I belong to the "not-amused-with-the-character-design" camp, altough it's slowly growing on me. I'm sure I still won't like it by the end of the show, but it doesn't make me want to gouge my eyes out. Animation during fights compenastes for it nicely, so it's all good. As for the Madoka "references" - I won't deny the fact that I am having huge Puella Magi vibes here because of the "dark mahou shoujo" aspect and its grim side. But I actually like to think that while Madoka was the first to be an all-out dark magical girls show, Genei is another in the line and there will be more titles like this to come which is nice in my opinion. I like my mahou shoujo fluffy, I like my mahou shoujo a bit darker, and I certainly would like to see more grim titles from this genre. It adds to the variety along with breath of fresh air. As for the Genei's plot itself... I'm sad to tell that there's still nothing to see here, at least for me. It's as anticlimatic as it was last week. Someone said it's rushed and oh God, how right that person is. After couple of days (hours?) Luna already likes Akari to the point of throwing the whole mission out the window because of the latter's whim. She's new and troubled - what if the so-called voices are result of her bad mood or something similar? Nope, Friendship To The Grave is already in motion, as forced as it looks. Also the whole "imma listen to these voices, who cares about the teacher and the children" made me cringe. I KNOW that Akari is the Heroine, trying to save everything that moves, but it still bothers me. She actually puts more lifes on the line not realizing the whole situation and being stuck on her own goal. I'm sure someone is going to die because of it, my money's on either Luna (obvious reasons) or Ginka because she's the most cheerful about the situation and people like her usually have the darkest past or die first. Probably the Ice Chick whose name I can't remember is set as the one with most troubled experiences so I put Ginka on the "soon-to-die" list. I'm still sticking to it (I must see who kicks the bucket thanks to Akari after all) but I can understand people who want or already dropped it by now. |
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