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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- awsome, i guess this searies is where they got alot of the idea for frontier from... btw, if u watch these seperately ur missing out, u HAVE to watch em like a movie ^_^ a 2:30 movie, but stil a movie ^^ its epic i reaken 4.5/5 |
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| First three episodes were boring, but this finale was great. |
| I don't it... the ending was like no closure for me. |
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| Great OVA, I really liked. The story and the characters were very likeable and the music in this anime is just fantastic . The Macross feeling is there, but this really works as a standalone story/movie. |
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| Wow, I have to say that the fights in this episode were really spectacular. Story was quite predictable and cliché but overall I enjoyed it, get a 7 from me. |
| Hmm... Not sure how I felt about the ending... Did Guld really need to defeat the Ghost X-9 in that way? I mean, once Isamu blasted Sharon's core, wouldn't that have stopped the Ghost, as well? And I guess that love triangle was solved pretty easily, huh? Isamu wins, because he stayed alive. :P I liked Sharon... I'm sorry she was "evil." We never find out, but I wonder if she is "rebooted" with Myung's positive emotions, instead of Myung's dark/fearful/obsessive ones. I also wonder if her character design inspired Studio Ghibli's Ponyo, doesn't Granmammare (Ponyo's ocean mother) resemble Sharon? :3 I think an 8 from me! I just love the Macross series formula so much. |
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| 7 years of grudge just for a misunderstanding is really sad, but it was solved quite simple and fast. I liked when Guld and Isamu was fighting over high school pranks they did against each other, or what Isamu did against Guld to be more proper. The fight scenes were great and really well planned I think. Though I thought Guld would die, I shed tears when it really happened, but I still think it was unnecessary too. Voices is a really powerful and emotional song, I think it really suited the setting and the storyline. One of the best songs in Macross history for sure at least~ |
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| Amazing OVAS. I wouldn't say that Isamu win by default,when Guld reminded the happenings from seven years ago, it seems he admitted that Myung loves Isamu more than him... Later, when Guld asked to Isamu to go for Myung rescue, he says something like "She's waiting for you" finally resigned Myung's love... Not mention that its kind of obvious that Myung loves Isamu more than Guld. Overall 9.5/10 to this. |
| I watched the movie edition of Plus before watching the original ova and i have to say that I prefer the ova more. Even though the movie had new scenes and had a slightly better ending, the pacing in the ova was a lot better and the story didn't lose as much steam as it did in the movie edition which made it more satisfying. 9/10 |
| I really liked the music,art and animation! The fight scenes were quite good too. But I didn't like that whole "I must've blocked the memories and thus blamed it all on Isamu" crap at all. At least Guld died...whew. Sattyricon said: Not mention that its kind of obvious that Myung loves Isamu more than Guld. But she did have sex with Guld that one time after he saved her from the fire,didn't she.Oh,how would I have loved it if she had died too. |
 "Only the dead have seen the end of war". ~Plato~ |
InfinityPal said: I was really surprised that the terrible past deed done to Myung was rape. It's just not something I expected... as for the rest... it was pretty predictable. Great animation and splendiferous music, though the art is kinda dated. Wow,that was far from rape...he just tore her clothes off,nothing more. |
"Only the dead have seen the end of war". ~Plato~ |
ChaosLegion said: InfinityPal said:I was really surprised that the terrible past deed done to Myung was rape. It's just not something I expected... as for the rest... it was pretty predictable. Great animation and splendiferous music, though the art is kinda dated.</div> Wow,that was far from rape...he just tore her clothes off,nothing more. lol yea that was far from rape for sure. I though the ending wasn't as good as I would have liked, Guld dying like that was unnecessary and I would have liked to see what happens with Myung. 9/10 from me. |
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| How on earth did all those bullets in the elevator scene missed Myuang?? |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
| I don't get why AI would want to kill Isamu in sleep and instead of Mayong even-though she wanted him for herself and to give him adrenaline experience to make him excited. One would expect that such a sophisticated cybernetic being would be able to realize that sleeping or even death persons can't get excited or belong to anyone anymore. 8/10 overall DaeScope said: I don't it... the ending was like no closure for me. yeah , something was missing. Confucius said: How on earth did all those bullets in the elevator scene missed Myuang?? haha good question |
greenmartyJun 9, 2012 7:55 AM
( Currently interested in OP MC genre. Recommendations are welcomed, preferable those yet not on my list ) |
| "Shut up, I don't wanna hear your creepy singing!" lool, what a way to turn a digital girl down. |
| (|__/) Never give up, aim for the top! (='.'=) Top wo nerae! o(")(") Anime music: http://myanimelist.net/blog.php?eid=777199 |
| C'mon Guld, did you really have to do a suicide attack? And why did the evil guy with glasses just throw himself off the building? How did Isamu hear Myung singing from so far away? The whole reason behind the grudge was dumb. Guld just somehow happened to conveniently distort his memories to make Isamu the enemy and eveyone just went along with it? And on top of it all there was no closure in the ending. |
VaanskylordMar 10, 2014 9:28 AM
| いっぺん死んでみる？ |
| I'm confused, did Guld or Isamu rape Myung? |
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| If Guld hadn't taken out the ghost plane, Isamu wouldn't have been able to reach the CPU. The ghost plane could turn a lot more sharply than Isamu because it didn't have to protect a human inside. The movie demonstrated that part much better than the OVA. I wish that scene was included the OVA. |
| Unfortunately I couldn't get behind the characters and the rapey backstory left a bad taste in my mouth. Methinks this sort of thing gets trotted out too often by male writers who need some relationship angst. Fortunately, this last ep focused mostly on the OVA's strengths -- animation, music and action. Pretty good episode on the whole. |
| ^ that's because women belong elsewhere DaeScope said: I don't it... the ending was like no closure for me. go back to your orbs fgt y cudnt dis have been a 2-cour series this so could have used it |
| The 7 year grudge having such a simple reason behind it and resolution was beyond stupid. Got less interesting towards the end, but didn't peter out into boring cliche as badly as Macross II for what it's worth. |
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| Hey help! Who the heck tried to kill Myung in that fire??? And who the heck warns the two pilots about it? And what happened to the evil guy who created Sharon's full AI? Great anime that is a lot less flawed than many other anime but flawed nonetheless... |
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| Regular, don´t like much!! In this time, Macross and the Love, has nice sequences with the future vision, the cities and the tecnics departaments, but the plot is sluggish, also the love story, the thresome, are very comun... 5/10. |
| What was the motivation of the evil scientist dude who jumped to his death? Because some men want to see the world burn?? |
| "It is the emptiness that make the stars bright." "If you've known pain and hardship, it is easier to be kind to others." |
| Great action finale, the personal conflict's resolution on the other hand was terrible. And the whole drama relied entirely on a stupid thing and the childness of those "men" as expected. 2/5 "I must've blocked the memories." Well, that was my thought too while rewatching this series. A good-looking, well directed rivalry (ESPECIALLY the flight sequences but others too). Nothing special. The whole AI intrigue ended up seeming totally useless apart from offering a "final boss" action end. The seamingless implementation of this stand-alone story into the pre-existing universe is good though it never actually serves the story. The thing corrected for a 90minutes format would probably be quite good. The music fits the anime more than pop-music would obviously (too bad for me: I hate techno-like sounds). But there is at least one song that is really pleasant to hear (Visions). Last thing worth mentioning: the environments are all incredibly well rendered. Score: 6.5/10 rounded to 7, benefice of the doubt. I have no idea what this piece of work wanted to do apart from the clear technical feats. Would be a shameless 6/10 if the focus was ostensibly the drama and not the action. Because the story is really... whatever. PS: nothing to do with the anime itself, but it's funny to remember that so many schoolmates in my childhood were trying to sell those VHS as an adult program. XD (I know I thought they were wrong, but I had forgotten why) ============ @ezaya The movie edition was a bit better packed but, it's still more a tech demo than an actual story. |
Rei_IIIFeb 20, 2019 9:35 PM
| This episode was better than the other episodes. The other ones was pretty boring :/ Isamu and Guld childish fights over Myung came more clear; Revelation of what happened about their fight in the past, Sharon manipulating human minds and the mad scientist commit suicide... definitely a nice ending :) Not the best Macross series I saw, but this one was actually ok ^^ |
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| I have to agree, this episode was honestly the only episode worth the time watching. I know it's Macross, but it's because it's Macross that i think this story was fucked from the start. It didn't need a cheesy and hollow love triangle at all. This has to be the most poorly written romdram i've seen in many years now. Clearly she loved one over the other, but like what the hell? She comfort bangs one of them, and then sits at the bed side of the other the next day and implies she wants to be near him. Then cries about both of them fighting all the time. It's bad enough that the story between those three is such a terrible irony, BUT THAT'S LITERALLY IT. After that, the dialogue then heavily implies how much she loves Isamu over Guld. So,...what was the point of it? Then there's this episode and Guld just comes to terms with everything and happily dies, FIN. What's such a tragedy about this is that they had several routes already in place here that could have made the drama believable and move the viewer so much more. Could have taken the well executed rivalry already going between two childhood friends who are now pilots and continued to ride that for example. Isamu's character is really the only decent character, and that's only because he seems to be the only one whose personality has any life to it. Apart from that disaster, the rest of the story wasn't bad. This last episode was done well enough. the animation and sound was amazing as hell. Yoko Kanno has never failed to impress me. I'm glad i've watched Macross before to know better....after watching this...I'm not sure i'd be so willing to watch more Macross if it meant sitting through badly written love stories. |
 "To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" |
| Yeah, the plot was big pile of meh. Felt unprofessional. Which is sad, because in other aspects it was beautifully executed. Disappointing. |
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| So the Guld guy is just forgiven for everything eh? My god this has to be one of the most incoherent animes I have ever watched. During the course of the series, Isamu and Myung go along with Guld's delusions and his amnesia goes unchallenged right up until episode 4. One of the biggest problems I have with this is Myung’s compliance with the lie Guld is telling himself. It looks awfully like victim blaming to me, and even worse self-victim blaming. And the biggest one is just how vague is the information of some important events is, like did he actually rape her, did she despite of that have sex with him in episode 2 etc. 1/10. |
| Oh my, this is so painful to watch. |
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| This is a rewatch for me, gave it a 7 first time around and I'm not sure why. Its a 5 at best it feels like such an irrelevant show. Two arrogant asshole pilots have a grudge with each other and act the fool. The third character is a weak female who doesn't want to sing anymore so is the voice behind an AI (so still singing?) who takes control of the Macross and hypnotizes all the citizens to stare at her. Instead of having a motive that makes sence, Sharon the AI just wants to kill one of the pilots Izumi to give him a thrill... or something. Because she has Myungs emotions and somehow it translates to killing him. This is the endgame of this show? A stupid triangle between these three? With the AI taking control of everything just to get in between their stupidity? Sheesh, that guy who betrayed Myung allowing Sharon to do this (who killed himself for some reason) must be annoyed in the afterlife that he went through that trouble just for something so lame. Got to ask as well, what was the point of those wires wrapping around Myung just to then release her later? Need to fill up the time? The AI gets two hynotized guards to incompetently try to kill her but then does nothing after this? Just has a conversation with her. Why start that fire in an earlier episode to get Guld and Izumi running over to help? What was the point of it? Seems like this show didn't know how to make a coherent story. Given this just ended after the AI was shut down was there any point to the competition between the two prototype fighter planes? Not really, nope. Were the secondary characters worth a damn? Nope. Perhaps if this series had more episodes to breathe it would have been worth something but as it is it is just a forgettable nothing. |
gswelcomeJun 30, 2020 4:02 PM
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| That was fine, I guess. Sharon got defeated, and yay, that's just it. Wasn't super exciting, though visually it was good. I think the OVA just kinda assumed that Sharon can use hypnosis? That was a bit strange. The guards shooting at Myung were also like zombies. Why? How? Who are they working for and for what reasons? Duh. What were the consequences of everything that happened with AI for the Macross world? We aren't allowed to know, it seems. And Myung somehow heard Isamu and Guld talking, huh? The mad scientist guy just killed himself so that the main characters don't have to. P.S. Who was Isamu fighting with in episode 1? Zentradi again? P.P.S. I guess this OVA kinda predicted vocaloid concerts. |
St0rmbladeJul 18, 2020 7:20 AM
| I swear some of those lasers have Star Wars X-Wing sound effects. Anyways, overall the audiovisuals and direction were amazing. My favorite moment was when Sharon's hand kept trying to grasp at Isamu, and her bullets trailed along her hands also just missing him. Also, there were some actual creepy moments throughout, and I appreciated all the psychological aspects. Great stuff. |
| This one has better aerial dogfights than original, and I liked it! |
| The finale was epic, Sharon gave me Hal 9000 vibes and I loved how Myung's internal emotional conflict basically drove her programming insane. I guess I'm not really sure what the microchip from that other guy was all about, I mean we clearly saw the consequences but I'm not too sure what the aim was for him other than to prove it could be done maybe? Drove him to his death. I kinda guessed that Guld was to blame for the strife between them all. It's alittle strange how the other two kinda went along with his delusions but I think it was their love for him and who they really know him to be that ultimately meant they didn't want to tell him the truth. What he did was bad though they were young and he didn't actually do anything too crazy, it is a forgivable act to some degree between people who have clearly known each other most of their lives. Anyway moving away from the analyzing... Once again the animation was incredible. I loved seeing Sharon's projection over the Macross. The skies in this series were jaw dropping, just perfect for an aviation series. The music played when the microchip guy jumps reminded me of Ghost in the Shell which was interesting as this episode predates that by a few months. Well this lived upto all the hype, what a truly outstanding OVA. I loved everything single thing about this. 10/10. |
| What did I just watch? |
| その目だれの目？ |
| Bro I’m wondering the same and not in a good way. I hope the original series isn’t as disappointing as this one. I was excited for this too because of the Director and Yoko Kanno. After watching Macross Frontier I was hoping to recapture the magic with the other titles, but so far it hasn’t happened. |
| @Reshiram_IX I'm watching the franchise in order and I haven't gotten around to Frontier yet. I'm currently enjoying Macross 7. I dropped the 1982 series early on, but Do You Remember Love is great and I totally recommend it. |
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