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01-15-09, 3:34 AM

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THE ORIGIN OF EVERYTHING IS ADAM AND EVE!!!!1111oneone!!!
 
01-15-09, 9:14 AM

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More likely the origin of everything is stardust, quite literally ;) oh my, i forgot !!!111oneoneone ;p

Anyway, this remains just hillarious ;) Who cares what the origin of something is ~.~ And why do the koreas not like satire about their own country. Surely you guys DO know what satire is right? Because where i live, we got about 50 satire drawings in our papers every week, and online aswell ;) And if you think you as korean should be offended, you better be! Otherwise it wouldn't be satire...

And btw, This entire news topic/comments/blogosphere in korea thing is quite satirical aswell...
 
01-15-09, 6:44 PM

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I have not heard of any of the claims lists that rednaxela mentioned.

Choson ninja? (Especially when it is written Chosun not Choson, and the term ninja would have been used in Korean instead of Japanese pronounciation of the same Chinese characters. The legibility of this claim coming from an actual Korean comes in question)

Aztec? Chinese Characters? There are a lot of Koreans here, that does not believe in any of those, and you should see how many netizen are against such claims. You should not group an entire nationality together, because of some people from that particular nation are unpleasant. Do the world view every ex- American presidents as black just because Obama is? Do the world view Japanese man as workaholics based on a few joke mails? Do the world view every German as capable of performing Genocide just because of what one political party managed to do in the past?

As for Ultra-Nationalism, a recent survey done in a certain Korean website has shown approximately 80% of the middle/high school students are not satisified with being a Korean. (Which I do know is a bad thing, but does prove your assumption invalid. Moreover, current low score might be related to Economic Depression which is also happening in several other countries)

This is what foreign media has done, turning private researches that is even ridiculed in one's own country as a International attack on originality. Yes, there are a lot of strange people in Korea, but it's not just us that has them.

Moreover, I have heard/read of Japanese attempting to claim Kimchi, and it is a pity that you simply dismiss a case just because you simply is displeased with another culture, As for Japan and Korea Kimchi dispute see this topic about it here:
http://www.american.edu/TED/kimchi.htm

As for the news topic at hand, I do not believe such reaction from the Korean netizen were a neccisity, and I have read several parts of Hetalia including the panels that majority of Koreans seems to be angry about, but I don't believe the government nor anti-Hetalia groups should be attempting to intervene under the name of defamation under current evidences.

I will no longer watch this topic as I fear that it is turning nothing more than an anti-Korea thread.
 
01-15-09, 7:34 PM

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THE ORIGIN OF EVERYTHING IS ADAM AND EVE!!!!1111oneone!!!


funny. imaginary people started it all. good theory
 
01-15-09, 8:34 PM

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I know Koreans claim that they invented a lot of stuff that they simply didn't, but again, you have to understand the historical context for the reason why. The Japanese stole tons of Celadon pottery from Korea and are now housing them in Tokyo museums labeled "Japanese pottery." The Japanese claim that Kimchi was invented in japan. Judo is a modern martial art that is derived from Jiujitsu, which originated in india. Many people believe that it passed through the Korean peninsula before reaching japan, which may be the cause of the claim. In the Berlin Olympics, a Korean runner won the gold under a Japanese flag because the Olympics were held during the occupation.

The list goes on. The "unusual want to become respected by others" stems from an overcompensation for the fact that many "Japanese" achievements were, in fact, made by the Koreans or the Chinese.


OK, Supreme thinks like this;
a)Japan started stealing Korean culture.
b)That's why Korea steals Japanese culture.

Even if a) were correct, b) remains to be blamed, cause we learned from mother or teacher or our community stealing is a bad thing, right? If you get back the stolen things, it's no more stealing but recovering. But what Korea now doing is not recovering.

Next, you refere to "historical context".
Pottery? Yes, Japan took out lots of pottery from Korea in 16. century. But Japanese don't claim Korean pottery comes from Japan.

Kimchi? I'm sorry, but nobody claims and doesn't want to claim Kimchi as Japanese food. But it is possible some American or European mistake it for Japanese, cause Korean often run Japanese restraunt and serve Kimchi.

Judo and Jiujitsu? Well, the oldest marital art probably originated in China or India. So what? The origin doesn't need to be only one. And if Jiujitsu is influenced by foreign culture, it's a not big problem for Japanese(I mentioned it in my first post).

I really don't understand why Korean so obstinately insist on origin. Has anybody an experience to claimed about origin of European culture by Greek?
And culture or something only"passed through the Korean peninsula" just as Supreme said. And if you studied Japanese history, you know that Japan visitied directly China by ship, not through Korea, in many cases to learn their culture and political systems.

And the last case is Berlin Olympics. OK, OK, I know he was a Korean. So what? It was the colonial period. Of course it is not pleasant for Korean, but what is the point with our theme?

Korean should compare their attitude to Chinese or Greek. Althoug they have more persuasive reason to claim origin, but they don't do that.
And if Korean are so troublesome, they'll get less and less presence in manga, anime, movie and so on.


I'm sorry, maybe I did not word my post correctly.

I'm not arguing about who stole what from who. I am trying to provide the cultural backdrop for what I believe is childish overreaction on Korea's part. I'm not saying "Japan stole from Korea" or that "Korea stole from Japan."

As for the examples,
Kimchi: read the article whiteday posted
Celadon: Japan stole national treasures and monuments from Korea during its occupation. Many pieces were relabeled "Japanese" during the occupation because the Japanese government thought Korea was officially part of Japan. Many art pieces and historical items sitting in German museums are labeled "German" even though they were pilfered from France, Italy, etc. during WWII.
Judo/Jiujitsu: Of course, I don't believe Koreans invented Judo. I was trying to give an example as to WHY the Koreans think that it started in Korea. It didn't drop out of thin air; it wasn't because Korea was trying to "steal" from Japan.

The general Japanese attitude about their occupation is that they see it as a good thing. They believe that they did Korea a favor by rapidly boosting technological innovation and uplifting the economy. Japan saw "culture" as something fluid and dynamic (rightly so) and believe that many things could be assimilated and adopted. This is evident during the Tokugawa Restoration when they took many "Western" ideas and tweaked them to be (on the surface) inherently "Japanese" (what I think is a positive thing).

The Koreans, however, saw things differently.

I think this excerpt from TIME magazine do a good job of summing up the general Korean attitude toward Japan.

"The Koreans, on the other hand, see the Japanese as a ruthless wartime occupation force comparable to that of Nazi Germany, Japan's World War II ally. They point to Japan's draconian policies of the 1930s and '40s: the kidnapping of thousands of girls and women to act as so-called comfort women for Japanese troops, the dragooning of 4 million Koreans to work as slave labor in mines and factories, and the often brutal dismantling of Korean cultural identity�the forced use of Japanese names and language is one notorious example. "It is very clear that Japan tried to wipe out Korean culture.""

These war crimes happened, and Japan still denies many of them. Japan has several wartime memorials that praise suicide bombers. Japan also has several museums that promote militaristic nationalism. Japan also denies, or tries to cover up the atrocities that it has committed during the war (Heard of the Nanjing Massacre? Or maybe you know it as the Nanjing "Incident"). Even here in the states, many call out against the Japanese propaganda that litters its museums.

This example in response to Hetalia, along with the general Korean attitude against Japan, is a large overcompensation in response to the Japanese attitude about largely, the Japanese occupation. Let me remind you one more time that it has only been 2-3 generations since the occupation. Slavery in America has been abolished for 200 years and yet there is still shit that goes on every day.
 
01-16-09, 9:41 AM

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Great job, Korea. Now it's been canceled.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-01-15/japan-kids-station-cancels-its-hetalia-anime-run

At least they're still airing it on "Animated Mobile Phone Service". Maybe someone will be nice enough to upload the low-res raws so they can be subbed...

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Oh wait, just saw the new topic.
 
01-16-09, 1:25 PM

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Nice to meet you, whiteday26, and thanks for the reply, Supreme.

But Hetalia is already cancelled and our discussion has a little bit digressed from the subject of this forum.
And most of the members won't be interested in the origin of Kimchi and so on, at least don't want to talk over them in this forum. So I'm going to step back a little.

The points of Hetalia issue as following:
1) The anger of Korean is not a historical issue at all. This can be deducted from many statements of Korean politicians and articles in Korean papers. Their anger sets towards the representation of Korea,or in other words, the tendency of Korean to claim for the origin.

2) Korean think they have a good reason to get mad; however, what Japan has done is not valid enough as a good excuse for their childish reaction.

3) Korean's Uriginal theories (eccentric theory about the origin) and ultra-nationalism have actually already become social phenomena, but no longer individual whimsy.
In Japan it is possible for somebody to claim that "Kimchi comes from Japan". But this claim won't be recognized or received favorably by authentic massmedia. If the massmedia introduce his contention favorably, he and the massmedia will be terribly criticized. But in Korea..., it seems not necessarily to be so. This unreasonable things or claims are not only allowed, but rather highly recommended in Korea, which is really different from the situation in other modern countries.

For these reason, if you really want to judge the issue about Kimchi and so on, please check Japanese and Korean massmedia.


4) And one more new point: If Korean think that Japan steal/has stolen or does/ has done something bad, they can also produce by themselves many mangas for laughing at Japanse style. But the preposition is that they believe they have good evidences to prove that Japan has stole or committed something bad.


So, if you have some interest for the resource about Uriginal(or koreate: Korea+create), you can check this url; http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/韓国起源説#cite_note-157

This article published in Wikipedia has ordered a list of resources as footnotes.
Many of them are aricles from the website of massmedia in Korea. They are written in Japanese (because the big Korean papers also have their Japanese version website) or Korean, some are, of course, in Chinese. Well, it's not easy for you to read, maybe. But if you really want to know, you can somehow read them with the aid of web translation services.

I have my own resource list in my PC in Japan, since I'm sociologially interested in Korean's society, but not at hand right now (I'm now studying in Europe).
 
01-17-09, 8:36 AM

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the best way to be respected, at least they think so, is flourisching their history and culture with Japanese stuffs. For example, Samurai, Ninja, Judo, Karate, Sushi, Japanesesword and so on.
You can find some samples by yourself if you want(for instance you can search "Choson Ninja" in youtube. Choson means Korea).

Korean want to be the cultural and moral superiors of Japanese and want to be respected from Japanese. Somehow Korean think they could be supeior if they were the father of japanese culture. But for Japanese it's a not big problem whether their culture is original or from Korea or from China. And moreover, most of Korean claims are fallacies or fictions.

Hetalia laughs at this behavior. In manga Hetalia(In fact there is no room for Korea in anime. Although many koreans are angry about this anime...) Korea claims the origin of Japanese sword is Korea and dangles after Japan like a stalker.
Such behavior of Korean exist not only in manga, but in reality. and it is a social phenomenon. Of course there are always eccentric persons in every country. But in Korea, the number is numerous, and the mass media, politicians and scientists claim their cultural superiority like a lunatic.
Again, Hetalia laughs at this behavior. Iit is exact unacceptable and embarrassing point for Korean. So the most arguments about Hetalia are about this. Korean critisize Hetalia as a racist Anime.

This is also the reason why many Japanese don't like Korea.
For this korean behavior Japanese in 2ch created a new word, "Uriginal". "Uri" means "our" in Korean. So uriginal means the strange korean claim about the origin.
When Korean say, "Hey, Judo is originally korean sports!" or "you know, we taught japanese ninja magic", you can classify ther claim as uriginal claim.

You may don't believe, but I've read in the korean papers they claim urigin not only of Japanese culture but airplane, Aztec, chinese character(kanji), football(soccer) and so on.
As I mentioned, although Japan is their main target, because Japanese culture and Korean culture are similar, and it is(was) hard for Japan to criticize Korea(this is like the relation between Germany and Israel), but Korean take every chance to show their "superiority". You can find many uriginal theory about Asian, European and American culture.


WAIT... korea wants to be respected by flourishing korean histroy with japanese culture? NO! koreans ABSOLUTELY acknowledge that karate, sushi, judo, samurai are japanese culture. The only thing that they insist is, many of the japanese culture stem from korean peninsula; it's inevitable due to the geographical factor.

Today, what they're trying to do is to advertise more on korean culture by distinguising theirs from japanese! For example, they want to make Tae-kwon-do viewed differently from Karate.

well, Tae-kwon-do is already famous so i'll take another example. There's a korean food called kimbob. Since it looks a bit similar to japaense sushi rolled with seaweed, koreans want to make people realize the difference between Kimbob and Sushi.

Of course many koreans would think that korea passed many culture to Japan because geographically it's undeniable. However, I've never seen such a korean claiming that even airplane or Aztec! it's outrageous.

I would say You must've seen groundless news which aimed to make people have bitter feelings toward korea.

In fact, there were a lot of groundless chinese news that Korea insists they invented compass or paper; the news was fake, of course.
Koreans definitely learn that Gonzi is chinese wiseman. they learn that compass and paper are invented in China. I still remember that i learned those things in school in korea.

Plus, you said "So the most arguments about Hetalia are about this. Korean critisize Hetalia as a racist Anime." but mainly, korea complains that Hetalia DOESN'T portray korea in a correct way.

koreans don't understand why Yun-soo (korea in hetalia) collects japanese national flags. they also don't understand why he claims everything orginates from korea (because most of the koreans don't do that!). Simply, they don't see why they should be satirized in this way. I think Hetaria should satirize based on more reasearch about korea.

...altho i agree that koreans overeacted a bit. man i hoped that korea appeared in the animation.
 
01-17-09, 8:42 AM

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Supreme said:
rednaxela said:
Supreme said:


OK, Supreme thinks like this;
a)Japan started stealing Korean culture.
b)That's why Korea steals Japanese culture.



huh? is that the point?
 
01-17-09, 8:49 AM

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Yikes, Satires goal is to MOCK not what things are in reality but what people THINK they are in their mind. Obviously satires goal is not to display things as they are!

The argument from korea is completely groundless, satire is satire. It has no historical relevance nor does it want to (or need it).

Basicly you do need the (sorry to say that) perceived ego of korea and stretch it 50 times, then its satire.. obviously it is nothing like that in general populace.. but thats the entire point of satire. And imo the few vocal bloggers in korea make me believe that the satire is spot on after all ;)

hanal said:

Plus, you said "So the most arguments about Hetalia are about this. Korean critisize Hetalia as a racist Anime." but mainly, korea complains that Hetalia DOESN'T portray korea in a correct way.


Well duh, i think koreans really do need to re-read the wiki entry on satire, like 20 times, it has not the goal to portray something in the correct way... matter of fact, if satire does that, its no longer satire..

Anyhow, overreaction over some satirical anime.. it Is hillarious ;)
 
01-17-09, 9:13 AM

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hanal said:
koreans don't understand why Yun-soo (korea in hetalia) collects japanese national flags. they also don't understand why he claims everything orginates from korea (because most of the koreans don't do that!). Simply, they don't see why they should be satirized in this way. I think Hetaria should satirize based on more reasearch about korea.
? Because the Chinese people walk around with pandas in their backpacks, US people have aliens for friends, and people from the UK talk to their "imaginary" spirit friends.. and those are just a few examples. There's no "research" involved... they take funny fodder, right or wrong, and use it to make a story.
 
01-17-09, 1:38 PM

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hanal said:

koreans don't understand why Yun-soo (korea in hetalia) collects japanese national flags. they also don't understand why he claims everything orginates from korea (because most of the koreans don't do that!). Simply, they don't see why they should be satirized in this way. I think Hetaria should satirize based on more reasearch about korea.

...altho i agree that koreans overeacted a bit. man i hoped that korea appeared in the animation.


I can tell you why. Because there are so many anti-Japan demonstration in Korea and Korean always burn or cut Japanese national flags in the demonstration. Obviously they buy lots of Japanese flags...or they may knit flags by themselves. That's why some Japanese think they love Japanese flag.

Well, not only flags also many photos of Japanese politicians and emperors. And they sometimes kill the birds and animals probably to stain Japanese flags with blood, like in this video.

[caution: this viedol includes bloody pictures]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArBNLpvEcUo

No wonder Korean want to deny the hysteric reaction in Korea, but I've said, it isn't a individual whimsy but a social phenomenon in Korea. So It is not important whether hanal or other Korean knows uriginal things.



Following part doesn't has a close content to anime Hetalia. So if you aren't interested in Korea, ignore it.



Firstly, I want to make clear that I don't have any intention to rouse racism or anti-Korea feeling, cause nationality is not a right criterion to evaluate people. And I know that there are many kind Korean like my friends. I have some Korean friends in Japan and here in Europe, too.
Hanal and others who object my post may never claimed uriginal theory by themselves. It is theoretically possible they really never heard about uriginal things. But Korean society accept and promote this phenomenon through massmedia and education. It is sometimes annoying for Japanese, and sometimes funny.

If foreigner reads some Korean newspapers, for one or two months continuously, he can find enough evidences. For Korean it is not easy because ultra-nationalism is normal for them.

To see their education, click these links. Through the pictures drawn by Korean children, you can understand without translation what happens when education poisonde by nationalism (and this website is written in Englisch).
http://aog.2y.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1550
http://aog.2y.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1558

I can admit it is also possible that a crazy teacher let their pupils draw such pictures outside Korea. But his chef or the station won't allow such a exhibition. And even if they were also crazy and allow this exhibition, the passenger of this station will criticize it. But... neither his Chef nor the station didn't stopped this exhibition, the passengers didn't think they should criticise it.
This is the point. Not individuals, but whole the society are poisoned by the nationalism. And this poison striked Hetalia.

I was very shocked when I saw these pictured. Hetalia issue gave me the same feeling. Sorrow for the Korean, anger and disgust for the society but not for the individuals.
 
01-17-09, 2:09 PM

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Wow the above is truly shocking, and if these images are really displayed then this is first class racism in its utterly most disgusting form.

And i really do mean it. Im sorry for all japanese that have to live in such a hatefull environment, which apparantly is pretty much socially accepted (otherwise it wouldn't be school-kid drawings showing such things).

As a german who has deep knowledge and history concerning racism, i think this is just disgusting.

Anyway, this is the internet so nobody really gives 2cts im sure, i just wanted to say that i would have sued every single one of these children's parents for racism and hate inciting speech. .. if this had happened in germany. And the teacher for blatant racism and demagogy ..

This is not covered by freedom of expression, this is not art, this is hatefull and demagogic propaganda :(

Horrible

Edit: Just to clarify, what makes these images demagogic is that they are displayed prominently in the public and are supported-by state-run school. No matter what else you might think, a proper school would have taken these pictures and tought the children why this is *wrong*. And maybe make a little tour over into Germany and what happend how in 1938-1945 ..

But these pics are apparantly pretty old, i read the topic on that board to the end, and i truly do hope this does not represent the korean mindset (now). But i fear if a society accepts this kind of racism in the open, then it is not far from a truly facist society.

Anyway, this goes way beyond the topic and span of this anime site.. i promise this my last post about this ;)
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01-17-09, 4:16 PM

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This is not covered by freedom of expression, this is not art, this is hatefull and demagogic propaganda :(

Yes it is. That's debatable. That's true.

Korean children are just as free to draw pictures of Japan exploding as Japanese mangaka are to make a character based on Korea.

It's depressing that that sort of thing is so rampant in elementary schools, though.
 
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Well it is not covered where i live, as im sure you can understand (germany and its history beeing the way it is ;p). Im pretty sure someone could sue atleast for slander even in the usa if you (as teacher) would put these pics in the local subway. Not to mention the huge amount of american anime fans would quickly turn this into world war 3 ! ;) (just kidding ,p) Atleast you get some serious ass-kicking by some weird or not so weird public groups and lobby orgs. And the teacher would loose his job (atleast)

From that topic it is not clear who drew these pictures, i don't speak korean/japanese/chinese so who knows. One stated those were middle-school kids, but that could mean alot of things ;p

Anyway, demagogy is not something one can deduce from just some drawings by uneducated children. I admit i have 0 knowledge about korea, only thing i find odd is why koreans spell korea with c. In english korea is spelled with k.. atleast where i live ;)

After reading this and the issue korean media (according to wiki) made about those barren rocks which japan claims i am even more befuddled. What people make issues off is just hillarious, some rocks... weirdos

Well, thats that ;P Back to anime watching
 
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Well, regardless of country, freedom of expression should mean exactly that. As long as you aren't trampling on someone else's rights, you should be free to express whatever you want.
 
01-17-09, 9:02 PM

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I agree with many of the points made by rednaxela. What I don't understand is why you try to separate historical context from the issue at hand. Did you read my entire post? Let me highlight a key sentence:

"This example in response to Hetalia, along with the general Korean attitude against Japan, is a large overcompensation in response to the Japanese attitude about largely, the Japanese occupation."

The older generation in Korea suffered during the occupation and many of them still harbor an intense hatred toward Japan. The drawings that you posted above are horrible; they are the product of a culture still recovering from the occupation years.

Let me make some things clear.

1. I think the Korean response is childish and retarded
2. The hatred that Korea still harbors for Japan is sad; it will take lots of cooperation from BOTH sides for the nations to heal
3. I also believe that this incident "tramples the freedom of expression"

However, I have a bit of understanding for the Korean reaction because of the historical background of both nations; that was the main point of my posts. The Muslim reaction to the cartoons of Mohammed was also "ungrounded" and many laughed at the muslim community. I still, however, can harbor some understanding for them.

And honestly, one of the biggest reasons why Korea still has this attitude toward Japan is because Japan still fails at making things right (not only to Korea, but to the US and other nations) when it comes to its institutional WWII propaganda machine and by continuing to deny many of its war crimes.
Mockery such as "uriginal" only continue to exacerbate the problem.
 
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Maybe my posts have really gone too far away from our theme.
I think I should stop arguing about Korea here, when new questions won't appear. But before I stop, I'll answer Supreme's question.

Fistly, With their historical backgrounds we can understand better why they react so lunatic, but it doesn't justify their reaction. So I don't think it is neccesary to refer to their history.

And secondly, it is very troublesome to discuss about the historical issue because Korean education and massmedia spread really much wrong information about their history. If I begin to argue the Korean history, there is a unbelievably wide gap between our knowledge. To conquer this gap I'll need to bomb this sread with many many sources. I'm too lazy to do this and it is not appropriate for this site.

Supreme said:

one of the biggest reasons why Korea still has this attitude toward Japan is because Japan still fails at making things right (not only to Korea, but to the US and other nations) when it comes to its institutional WWII propaganda machine and by continuing to deny many of its war crimes.


For example I have an obviously different opinion on this point. But once we begin to discuss it, we need to check so many issues during and after WW2. So I just say like this; I know Japan has colonized Korea and done lots of wrong things. But it was a period of imperialism and war. Japan had officially apologized about that many times (By the way no country except Japan apologized about the colonization as far as I know. But I'm not very sure), but the fact that Japan apologized isn't broadly recognized in Korea because of its demagogic massmedia and education.

That's why I don't want to discuss neither the whole Korean history nor individual uriginal things.
The reason I refer Korean uriginality was to explain why Korea is described in that way in Hetalia. I've already explained, so there is no reason for me to continue.
But before I stop arguing I should show the evidences of uriginal theories, at least one of them, because this issue is brought by me in this forum.
I chose Astec uriginal theory for this, because it is ome of the oddest theories and some asked about it.

I read the Astec uriginal theory on the follwing website which gets the article from a Korean newssite(chosun ilbo). But this is already removed.

http://news.media.daum.net/culture/art/200712/21/chosun/v19349303.html?_right_TOPIC=R3 (dead link)

You can read original text and Japanese translation here
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/t032131/39599724.html

And you can watch these videos
"Korean established Aztec, Inca civilizations"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReGXaqZ7p2U
In this video appears the original website(choson ilbo) and the reaction of readers.

"America was Korean Territory"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEba68tEuFw&NR=1
Here you can watch some parts of a Program from History Channel of Korea.

Chosun ilbo is one of the most biggest paper in Korea, and most of you surely know History Channel.
Because these are information in internet, you can't make 100% sure that this article and program is really published in Korea. Theoretically it is not impossibe these sources are made by myself(^_^)
But that's all I can do as an oridinaly citizen.


I admit some of Japanese culture are brought by Korea or influenced by Korea.
But such case are very limited.
Korean's cultural inferiority complex makes it difficult for them to accept the historical fact that Korea is/was not a great Empire like America or Great Britain. Their culture has originality but is didn't played a very big roll outside Korea.
Their complex comes from partly their nationalistic society and partly from their geographical situation, namely a small country between two big countries, Japan and China.
But look at Luxemburg, it is located between France and Germany, but they don't claim a strange theory about origin.


p.s.
I confirmed that this school gave that exhibition when I found it.
http://www.gyeyang.ms.kr/

But the page is already removed. Too bad.
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01-18-09, 4:37 AM

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I don't believe tv programs like the one linked above are accepted mainstream oppinion though. Doing propaganda like this only makes educated people burst out in laughter, especially when these people know about the colonization period. Or pretty much anything about human history.

Buttom line - I do not believe we can deduct about Korean mindest just from youtube videos and sites i can't read... But even if im wrong (and the mindest is actually as described) that does not mean that its a majority oppinion.

Anyhow ^^
 
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Oh, for Christ's sake. Not more fuel for the wank.

What part of SATIRE do people not understand? *facedesk*


yeah, pretty much that^

But seriously, all this has done is bring more attention to something they want to disappear. Because I just read up on the webcomic & you can bet for sure I'm going to check out at least ONE episode of the anime.
 
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