Kakumeiki Valvrave Episode 12 Discussion

Kaioshin_Sama said:
Sometimes I swear reading Valvrave threads is like watching a mouse scurrying around inside a maze only the mouse has been sleep deprived and pumped full of andrenaline so it's manic and paranoid. It has no concept of it's situation and is lost, confused and angry. It wants to lash out at the person that showput them their but first it must find the exit. Its forced to draw on it's limited experiences but it's not enough to find the right path, but suddenly it notices a bunch of equally paranoid and confused mice that also cannot comprehend their situation. After running around aimlessly for a while they all agree that it's hopeless, they'll never find the exit even though it's just around the corner so they band together and form a ladder to jump the walls of the maze only the ones that do find they still cannot comprehend their situation even though under normal circumstances they should be able to piece together the path for the others. Alas for the mice are too wound up and angered at the those that created the unorthodox but still straightforward maze and can only continue to run around in circles.

That is what its like to observe a Valvrave thread only I figure I have a birds eye view of the maze and the mice in it as well as where they are going wrong.

radle said:



Amazingly all those pics (though it's missing Shoko, guess that's a good thing?) sum up what I thought of the show especially the last image to the bottom-right. WTF indeed.

Exblaster said:


Real life logic=/=anime logic

Kami_no_Kage said:
Now we have a space god to compliment the space vampires. Saki rejected Haruto. In the prologue, she seems to imply that both Haruto is the 'founder,' and that he is already dead at that point. Or at least, that's how I saw it.

Then there's Akira, of which I've decided I want one. All in all, 8/10 for this season. This was one of the most insane anime I ever watched. Tbh, I'm still not completely sure if I watched this show while I was sober or not.

Ah, one more thing. NTR next season, I am so dropping this show, so bad.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
Sometimes I swear reading Valvrave threads is like watching a mouse scurrying around inside a maze only the mouse has been sleep deprived and pumped full of andrenaline so it's manic and paranoid. It has no concept of it's situation and is lost, confused and angry. It wants to lash out at the person that showput them their but first it must find the exit. Its forced to draw on it's limited experiences but it's not enough to find the right path, but suddenly it notices a bunch of equally paranoid and confused mice that also cannot comprehend their situation. After running around aimlessly for a while they all agree that it's hopeless, they'll never find the exit even though it's just around the corner so they band together and form a ladder to jump the walls of the maze only the ones that do find they still cannot comprehend their situation even though under normal circumstances they should be able to piece together the path for the others. Alas for the mice are too wound up and angered at the those that created the unorthodox but still straightforward maze and can only continue to run around in circles.

That is what its like to observe a Valvrave thread only I figure I have a birds eye view of the maze and the mice in it as well as where they are going wrong.

Fai said:


That means shoko is either Darth Yandere or dead. That's a VERY good thing.

Toucanbird said:
I gave this series a 7/10, but I'm going to come out and say this is probably one of the most enjoyable 7s I've ever given an anime.

I know this phrase is almost as cliche as this anime, but it really is so bad, it's good. I know some people are a little turned off by scoring an anime high just because of this, but I response is, "what does it matter?" The whole point of watching anime is because in the end, it's entertaining. Some entertain you with a deep plot, or by having lovable characters going on a journey together, but then there are some out there that are aesthetically pleasing by intentionally doing everything wrong. That's the vibe I got from this series. It was doing this on-purpose. Even if it wasn't, the production staff has it so oddly written it really does seem like this anime isn't taking itself seriously. It's atmosphere, even when the story takes a serious turn, isn't all that heavy.

Here's a statement that might piss some people off. I'd rather watch a self-aware bad anime that's entertaining than a good anime that's so overly pretentious that its hard to enjoy.

KingCez said:
future scene out of nnowhere!!?!?

that fool got dumped, saki is most probably a whore, dr evil succedded in his plan to drill to the center of the earth, or module, whatever. closeenough

so the school gets to have hundreds of casualties while most of the dorssians get to eject safely to fight the next ep. seems legit

cain becomes a half vampire who works for the illuminati?

am i missing anyhting? fuck this series was pretty shitty

ThangLong said:

Sometimes I just can't understand your animosity toward Shouko, Fai. She is the emotional center of Valvrave. She has the ability to link people together in a personal level that no one can, even L-elf.
I find the amount of hate she receives on other forums disheartening. Why do people find it entertaining to beat a happy-go-lucky character down continuously even after she has experienced such tragedies in her life? Why do people sympathize with Saki's grief but not Shouko? Is it because one puts on the sad face while the other puts on a smiling face when both are trying to deal with their internal problem? Shouko does not deserve such hatred. Sometimes, I just have to urge to say: "hey, stop cyber-bullying an anime character, hating on her only prevent you to understand Valvrave fully as a story."

silversaint said:
wow this was so bad it was almost funny, almost
4/10

radle said:

Huh? I-I guess. I'm sure there'll be more redundant comments such as these to come. Twelve pages and counting. See you in 2nd season? As well as some others. It's quite petty.

froomball said:
Are those markings representing Dorssia (and the shady guy is just a Dorssian official) or is it more likely to do with the Magius? I'm confused.

ThangLong said:

I think those paintings are only just for Dorssian elites. Because if it's for Magius, ASUS's president must have had one on the his face. Rather, I think the mark Cain has on his neck, and future Saki has on the dress is the mark of Magius...

Dang, I just realize that the worry about Saki being NTR'ed might be true. If she will have been a member of Magius, then she will be fighting for them in during those 200 years!! Or maybe all the VVV plots will become Magius after the show ends.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
I think the NTR stuff is being over-exaggerated. In the preview we see them landing on some planet and there they will probably start the Third Galactic Empire. Rather than joining them i think they will act against them.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:

Sunrise has a theme of making their Mecha shows this way. The protagonist group will rather act for the greater good separate from the rest.............that kind of stuff. Well that's my thought anyways. I could be wrong though.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
P.S. Man i just keep coming back to this thread even though i am so sleepy. Something must be possessing me.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
Sometimes I swear reading Valvrave threads is like watching a mouse scurrying around inside a maze only the mouse has been sleep deprived and pumped full of andrenaline so it's manic and paranoid. It has no concept of it's situation and is lost, confused and angry. It wants to lash out at the person that showput them their but first it must find the exit. Its forced to draw on it's limited experiences but it's not enough to find the right path, but suddenly it notices a bunch of equally paranoid and confused mice that also cannot comprehend their situation. After running around aimlessly for a while they all agree that it's hopeless, they'll never find the exit even though it's just around the corner so they band together and form a ladder to jump the walls of the maze only the ones that do find they still cannot comprehend their situation even though under normal circumstances they should be able to piece together the path for the others. Alas for the mice are too wound up and angered at the those that created the unorthodox but still straightforward maze and can only continue to run around in circles.

That is what its like to observe a Valvrave thread only I figure I have a birds eye view of the maze and the mice in it as well as where they are going wrong.

Kaioshin_Sama said:
Holy fuck man the "so bad it's good crowd" is blitzkrieging this thread right now. Like full on coming out the woodwork. You'd almost think this was timed or something the number of pretty much exact same comments. It's also funny how the content of this thread does not in any way reflect the poll at the top. What the fuck is going on? Is this 4chan at work? I've seen this sort of thing happen with Sunrise shows before but this is the first time it's been so obvious arguably since Gundam 00 wrapped up.

Kaioshin_Sama said:

The thing is I don't even think it's malevolent or anything truly thought out considered for most people, I think it's just snowballed and developed into what is almost a mantra at this point and people have just convinced themselves about certain "truths" about the anime that are really just a subjective perspective brought about by a really ignorant and single minded crowd. Others just seem to be following the leader. It's very 4chan really, there's almost a call and answer response to the nature of it all.

Again like most Sunrise shows it just never really had a chance with many cause of the nature of herd behavior that has come to dominated discussion on internet forums that discuss anime. People chose it to be the "so bad it's good anime" and the sadly as always seem to be the case the label stuck before it really ever got a chance to do anything with it's story by which point people had already tuned it out and taken the perspective that it was all just a bunch of ridiculousness that apparently goes above and beyond the standard of most anime.

It's not malevolent, it just is what it is. People are just stupid sadly.

The way I see it Valvrave had the unfortunate distinction of attracting 3 but equally shitty crowds. Shippers, Angry Shonen fans that demand everything conform to one tone and one tone only in order to accept a show at face value, and trollbaiters. Put them all together and you get MAL Valvrave threads where it's just the same tired one liners and pokes and jabs at the series overall. I don't think they make up the majority of the viewers for this show so much as a vocal minority that smells blood otherwise there's no way this show has anything other than a 5/10 aggregate score on the series page. The math doesn't track that way.

KingCez said:
saki is most probably a whore

ThangLong said:

Sometimes I just can't understand your animosity toward Shouko, Fai. She is the emotional center of Valvrave. She has the ability to link people together in a personal level that no one can, even L-elf.

I find the amount of hate she receives on other forums disheartening. Why do people find it entertaining to beat a happy-go-lucky character down continuously even after she has experienced such tragedies in her life? Why do people sympathize with Saki's grief but not Shouko? Is it because one puts on the sad face while the other puts on a smiling face when both are trying to deal with their internal problem? Shouko does not deserve such hatred. Sometimes, I just have to urge to say: "hey, stop cyber-bullying an anime character, hating on her only prevent you to understand Valvrave fully as a story."

graymoontsuki said:
got it!
vvv-tan's oni san = alma karma

VanishingKira said:
Valvrave ending was alright.Akira is a pilot now,Cain saved himself with that glowing power of his.