Suisei no Gargantia Episode 12 Discussion

beta-gal said:

When Chamber loaded things on Gargantia, Ledo gave Chamber the order to follow the orders of the humans on Gargantia. Chamber was still following the order of its pilot and humans.
I'm kind of skeptical to believe that Striker has is own "self-consciousness" because we were never given hints that they did. If a high tech Yunboro can operate on its own, why do they need a pilot anyway? It'll cost a human life to operate it, so it'd be useless to use a human pilot if they can work on their own.
But regardless, I think it'd be wiser to wait until the last episode airs before we really find out!

Arlia said:
As expected, he was dead all along. What''s the point of having a pilot to begin with ?

Spirai said:


I was a tiny bit peeved how Melty just 'fainted' right after seeing Gargantia. I hate those over dramatic, typical anime girls and Melty just landed herself in the hot seat for it. But who cares, last episode is coming up and I hope that Urobuchi guy takes over and slaughters who he must.

AoiMizu said:


This scene may cliche, but take account that she travel in long distance alone with flying kite to inform that Gargantia in danger. She might faint from exhaustion or feel relief that she can see a hope that Gargantia will survive/alive and, if she fail this mission that only she can done from Flange fleet, the whole Gargantia fleet will burn out by those weird cult created by Strike lead.

hpulley said:
Ledo should have jumped into the Striker's cockpit and deactivated it rather than the fall and Chamber catch...

Archer-san said:
Looks like I wasn't the only one who saw that coming. With the series ending next episode, I didn't feel like this was an Urobochi anime at all.

AoiMizu said:


This scene may cliche, but take account that she travel in long distance alone with flying kite to inform that Gargantia in danger. She might faint from exhaustion or feel relief that she can see a hope that Gargantia will survive/alive and, if she fail this mission that only she can done from Flange fleet, the whole Gargantia fleet will burn out by those weird cult created by Strike lead.

linchpin said:

For a moment I was scared she was going to die (because Urobuchi).... That would break my heart! Anyone, but the sweet Melty! Then I remembered that people have fallen from deadly heights before in this anime and were caught in the last moment and that gave me hope, and, and... and then Amy saved her! :D

Snakebee said:
Pinion's gonna end up with all the bitches at the end.

Vodkas said:


Lmao. Got to admit Pinion was looking sexier than a mofo with his hair down, no homo.

linchpin said:

For a moment I was scared she was going to die (because Urobuchi).... That would break my heart! Anyone, but the sweet Melty! Then I remembered that people have fallen from deadly heights before in this anime and were caught in the last moment and that gave me hope, and, and... and then Amy saved her! :D

Vodkas said:


Lmao. Got to admit Pinion was looking sexier than a mofo with his hair down, no homo.

Makaizen said:
Cant wait to see what that key is for

MysticArte said:


I think Machine Calibers have human pilots because they are the ones with the ability to correct errors and prevent unintentional actions by the Machine Caliber AI. However since it's very unlikely for a pilot to die with the Machine Caliber intact, Kugel's death has releaser Striker from the restrain of having a pilot and allowing it to become the highest acting authority, thus making its own decisions.

Kinda like how drones have human operators to try to minimize casualties caused by mistakes.

beta-gal said:

I think that's a very plausible theory and I'd support it, but like I said we aren't given any hints to this. Urobuchi is a talented writer who knows what he's doing, so he wouldn't just throw things at the audience without reason. He'd give us hints and expect us to solve any issues using the hints. I don't want to create a conclusion based on what I want rather than what Urobuchi wrote, so I think we should use the hints he gave us to reach a prediction and conclusion.
I just basically reached my conclusion based on hints. The rogue AI theory sounds really cool and awesome albeit cliched, but there is nothing present in the series to support it. I really liked that theory also, but it doesn't fit with the context and theme of the story. The whole message of the story is that humanity can do mean things to each other and we should avoid such actions at all costs. Any extreme deviations such as the rogue AI theory would ruin this whole setup.

Archie74 said:
Would be the shit if suddenly all the Hideazu in the area went apeshit and started killing everyone. EVERYONE! Well... maybe not the chipmunk.

Bah. Anyone else feel Rickrolled by this anime? Or were my expectations just too high? =/ Jebus... so many episodes wasted on nothing. At least throw in some silly comedy or ecchi or something to keep our minds occupied.

Takuan_Soho said:


Some sort of Deus ex Machina device obviously.

A possibility is that Gargantia has been guarding the "Legacy of Earth", some means of restoring dry land to the planet. The doctor is the one who has been guarding this Legacy, part of a secret society who has transmitted their secret knowledge generation to generation, from the days when the C/U and Hideauze were fighting one another, waiting for the day when someone from the C/U would show independence enough to be able to entrust this legacy (i.e. key to the future).

Or something along those lines. It will be the big "happy ending" device, Ledo joining society, the "promise" from the writer kept in the end.

It's a pity really, this show is by far the most disappointing one of the season, disappointing not only because it started great, but because it touched on so many themes that, had they wanted to, could have made the show great in itself. Instead we get a muddle mash of mediocre musings, nothing developed, credibility strained to breaking (who in the world would have left the Pirate her vessels. or for that matter, how could such an advanced Mecha even exist when everyone else has construction labors?), simplistic shadow puppets (the cult in particular) that make the choices all too easy for Ledo. Development? This show is the animated version of giving everyone a trophy for participating.

beta-gal said:

When Chamber loaded things on Gargantia, Ledo gave Chamber the order to follow the orders of the humans on Gargantia. Chamber was still following the order of its pilot and humans.
I'm kind of skeptical to believe that Striker has is own "self-consciousness" because we were never given hints that they did. If a high tech Yunboro can operate on its own, why do they need a pilot anyway? It'll cost a human life to operate it, so it'd be useless to use a human pilot if they can work on their own.
But regardless, I think it'd be wiser to wait until the last episode airs before we really find out!

Takuan_Soho said:


Some sort of Deus ex Machina device obviously.

A possibility is that Gargantia has been guarding the "Legacy of Earth", some means of restoring dry land to the planet. The doctor is the one who has been guarding this Legacy, part of a secret society who has transmitted their secret knowledge generation to generation, from the days when the C/U and Hideauze were fighting one another, waiting for the day when someone from the C/U would show independence enough to be able to entrust this legacy (i.e. key to the future).

Or something along those lines. It will be the big "happy ending" device, Ledo joining society, the "promise" from the writer kept in the end.

It's a pity really, this show is by far the most disappointing one of the season, disappointing not only because it started great, but because it touched on so many themes that, had they wanted to, could have made the show great in itself. Instead we get a muddle mash of mediocre musings, nothing developed, credibility strained to breaking (who in the world would have left the Pirate her vessels. or for that matter, how could such an advanced Mecha even exist when everyone else has construction labors?), simplistic shadow puppets (the cult in particular) that make the choices all too easy for Ledo. Development? This show is the animated version of giving everyone a trophy for participating.

JoaoZangetsu said:


You don't make sense, All the episodes so far have developments, this one was most action (which is obvious that would be action).
Or do you call development the Visual Key type of development ? (characters with sad past just to be enjoyable)

Takuan_Soho said:

Some sort of Deus ex Machina device obviously.

Fai said:


Yeah, not like chamber's rant of TECHNOLOGY IS FOR THE WIN, few episodes ago was any sort of foreshadowing or anything~ *cough*itwas*Cough*

or the parallels with hideauze

Mr_alucard1985 said:

it's not a "high-tech yunboro", its a pilot supporting machine caliber of the galactic alliance of humans. and beyond that they have shown remarkable critical logic and complex thinking that surpassed that of their pilot especially in extreme conditions when human logic freezes. they even made self acclaimed conjectures closely resembling an "educated guess" without the existance of sufficient data.

nauticalblue said:
I feel like this season has had so many series with wasted potential.

I don't think this show is outright bad by any means, but it definitely could have been much better. I was really interested in the set-up for the main story initially, but it's been losing all sense of subtlety, and the complexity I once thought it would achieve has been reduced to a shallow conflict.

Wordsmith said:
I'm really curious about that key...

aw, who am I kidding? We all know that in the end, Amy will get the key and

Sowwy, couldn't help it.

Feer19 said:
my question how long has been dead the general,i mean his head felt down wich mean bones were dehydrated if i remember bones took 40 -50 years to be like that if im wrong

edit:It takes one year to the corpse to be bones ,and position of the body made felt down the head,anyways we cant se how much dehydrated the body

Dipole-Dipole said:
So why did Chamber allow Ledo to attack his commander?
I thought his machine caliber must follow hologram Kugel's orders since he is the highest-ranking officer.

NihonFalcom said:
Whatever happened to the Hideauze?