gamer2710 said: IntroverTurtle said: It's not neutrality that matters, it's who has the informed opinion. Even the opinion someone who watched at least one episode of the other version before dropping it in a fit of rage is better than the opinion of someone who only watched one version.spyrocoot said: You think that someone who's watched both is?Tavor said: spyrocoot said: Exactly, it's extremely irritating. So what's the issue with suggesting a neutral standpoint? You think that someone that only watches subs is neutral in these types of threads? It also comes down to preferences, if both dub and sub are great, then it's really up to the OP himself to choose which one to watch |
spyrocoot said: Tavor said: spyrocoot said: Exactly, it's extremely irritating. So what's the issue with suggesting a neutral standpoint? You think that someone that only watches subs is neutral in these types of threads? I was referring to my first post in this thread, the one suggesting the idea the OP alone makes that choice. I mean, it's not that hard to do, you either prefer to the dub or the sub depending on the anime based off experiencing it for yourself. Why limit yourself to someone's opinion (which has proven to be a mess in this thread) when it's not hard to find out yourself? |
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SteampunkDalek said: Honestly, if it's not the music, then this will be the deciding factor.Dub. Goku is more manly in the dub. Dub. |
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gamer2710 said: Why?el_putazo said: Why not Kai?gamer2710 said: Lol no.I think there are too many people here that will just say "sub" for all anime even though they haven't seen the dub. walla said: Dragon Ball Z KaiRead the manga, the anime is too stretched out. Unit-01 said: That's why.This, Kai is horribly upscaled, and changed VAs for a few characters |
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tsudecimo said: spyrocoot said: I've watched FMA, FMP and Baccano!, and it amazes me that anyone could recommend against watching the dubs. Then I remember I'm on MAL. Perhaps being from Sudan you struggle to understand it? You can't really be this dense, what language am I talking with you right now ? I understand the English audio just fine, furthermore the dialogue is usually dumbed down compared to the original script. I used to watch US movies without subtitles since I was 15 give me a break. What basis do you use for the dialogue being "usually dumbed down"? FMA, FMP and Baccano! weren't dumbed down at all. At least back up your points instead of making sweeping generalisations. I'm struggling to take you seriously. Tavor said: I was referring to my first post in this thread, the one suggesting the idea the OP alone makes that choice. I mean, it's not that hard to do, you either prefer to the dub or the sub depending on the anime based off experiencing it for yourself. Why limit yourself to someone's opinion (which has proven to be a mess in this thread) when it's not hard to find out yourself? You obviously didn't read my reply, so I'll paste it here: "It isn't as simple as that. Some dubs may have a poor script or be heavily censored (granted, these are mostly old dubs). A good dub isn't simply the quality of voice acting". This is why informed opinions are needed. |
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el_putazo said: Change =/= bad. The new Gohan was fine and the new Frieza was amazing, far superior to the original. There are others but I can't recall them. I don't know about the upscale; I watched it on Nicktoons with my old non-HD TV.gamer2710 said: Why?Why not Kai? Unit-01 said: That's why.This, Kai is horribly upscaled, and changed VAs for a few characters |
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el_putazo said: I dont know why Funi would go and mess with a perfectly good dub!! Why, just so Monica Rial could have a role!??gamer2710 said: Why?el_putazo said: Why not Kai?gamer2710 said: Lol no.I think there are too many people here that will just say "sub" for all anime even though they haven't seen the dub. walla said: Dragon Ball Z KaiRead the manga, the anime is too stretched out. Unit-01 said: That's why.This, Kai is horribly upscaled, and changed VAs for a few characters |
spyrocoot said: You obviously didn't read my reply, so I'll paste it here: "It isn't as simple as that. Some dubs may have a poor script or be heavily censored (granted, these are mostly old dubs). A good dub isn't simply the quality of voice acting". This is why informed opinions are needed. Appears I forgot to reply to that, my bad. As for a response, isn't this why the OP should make the comparison here for himself? As in, which one feels more 'fuller' in the dialogue between characters to him? Actually, now that I think about it, we DON'T KNOW what the OP wants to begin with. Quality voice acting? Better Dialogue? Both? |
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tsudecimo said: This was already settled in another thread. There can be no objectivity in entertainment when it comes down to preference.Anyway this turned into a sub vs dub thread. From an objective subjective point of view raw > sub > dub. |
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tsudecimo said: Anyway this turned into a sub vs dub thread. From an objective point of view raw > sub > dub. Unless your trying to learn Japanese, who the fuck watches anime raw?? |
gamer2710 said: I'm not saying change is always bad, but there is some things better left unchanged. Then again that's just me.el_putazo said: Change =/= bad. The new Gohan was fine and the new Frieza was amazing, far superior to the original. There are others but I can't recall them. I don't know about the upscale; I watched it on Nicktoons with my old non-HD TV.gamer2710 said: Why?Why not Kai? Unit-01 said: That's why.This, Kai is horribly upscaled, and changed VAs for a few characters |
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el_putazo said: I think the changed voice actors has more to do with Funimation not being able to get them back for various reasons, not necessarily because they wanted to cast new people.gamer2710 said: I'm not saying change is always bad, but there is some things better left unchanged. Then again that's just me.el_putazo said: Change =/= bad. The new Gohan was fine and the new Frieza was amazing, far superior to the original. There are others but I can't recall them. I don't know about the upscale; I watched it on Nicktoons with my old non-HD TV.gamer2710 said: Why?Why not Kai? Unit-01 said: That's why.This, Kai is horribly upscaled, and changed VAs for a few characters Sentai Filmworks, for example, tried to get the old Saber back for Unlimited Blade Works, but couldn't, so they settled with someone else. |
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spyrocoot said: I'm not arguing that in this thread. This thread is simply what the OP should watch it in, it's not decided necessarily by the quality. IntroverTurtle said: spyrocoot said: You think that someone who's watched both is?Tavor said: spyrocoot said: Exactly, it's extremely irritating. So what's the issue with suggesting a neutral standpoint? You think that someone that only watches subs is neutral in these types of threads? Nobody is completely neutral in a sub vs dub thread, the idea is that you're arguing why the dub of anime x is better than the sub of anime x, or vice versa. As someone that enjoys both subs and dubs, and someone who will only put forth my input on an anime where I've seen both, I feel my opinion is more useful to OP than some other users. In this instance, I've watched DBZ both subbed and dubbed. I prefer Bruce Faulconer's music, but many of the characters in the FUNi dub sound the same (thank you Chris Sabbat). The subbed version has the original music, but I didn't like the voices of many characters (Goku in particular). I wasn't too impressed with either, so I think the OP could watch either version. Well that's your choice. I will put my opinion in even when I've only watched one, it's the OP's choice to do what he wants with my opinion. Just having watched both does not necessarily make an opinion more useful. The experience level of the person, how much he knows about the subbing and dubbing process, how close he is to the person asking, etc would also impact it. |
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tsudecimo said: That should be my line, you are the one that thinks that English not being my first language is somehow the reason I think dub is inferior. Back it up how ? do you want me to post a clip of the same scene in a sub and dub version ? if so I don't care enough to do that. Anyway this turned into a sub vs dub thread. From an objective point of view raw > sub > dub. For anime viewers with English as a second language, they generally find it easier to watch with English subtitles than watching something dubbed in English. As someone who's learning German, I'm the same, so that's why I asked. I'm not going to argue for your own points. You made a sweeping generalisation without having any basis to go on, you should be the one to find a source to support your points. You don't even know what "objective" means. Objective is something that is a fact and that can be proven. For example, 2 + 2 = 4, that is objective. The fact you're passing judgement on something means it's "subjective", so there is no measure of objectivity regarding whether to watch anime raw, subbed or dubbed. Please learn to English. |
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gamer2710 said: I see, well that's certainly news for me, I didn't even know that. I really need to do my homework...el_putazo said: I think the changed voice actors has more to do with Funimation not being able to get them back for various reasons, not necessarily because they wanted to cast new people.gamer2710 said: I'm not saying change is always bad, but there is some things better left unchanged. Then again that's just me.el_putazo said: Change =/= bad. The new Gohan was fine and the new Frieza was amazing, far superior to the original. There are others but I can't recall them. I don't know about the upscale; I watched it on Nicktoons with my old non-HD TV.gamer2710 said: Why?Why not Kai? Unit-01 said: That's why.This, Kai is horribly upscaled, and changed VAs for a few characters Sentai Filmworks, for example, tried to get the old Saber back for Unlimited Blade Works, but couldn't, so they settled with someone else. |
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tsudecimo said: I know, I posted there too. That's all based on whether the viewer cares enough to watch anime in its original form.gamer2710 said: tsudecimo said: This was already settled in another thread. There can be no objectivity in entertainment when it comes down to preference.Anyway this turned into a sub vs dub thread. From an objective point of view raw > sub > dub. I am not talking about how good the voice actors are or w/e. I am talking about the advantages of hearing anime in it's original audio, IntroverTurtle mentioned them in sub vs dub thread. |
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spyrocoot said: Please learn to English. Lmfao, +1 |
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| omg please watch subbed with original japanese background music-kudasaiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
ibrahim2712 said: NopeDBZ is better in DUB. End of story |
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Unit-01 said: spyrocoot said: Please learn to English. Lmfao, +1 I didn't even notice until now |
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kinpaku-chan said: What is this I don't even--omg please watch subbed with original japanese background music-kudasaiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
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IntroverTurtle said: yup no no no, the bgm of dubbed is annoyingibrahim2712 said: NopeDBZ is better in DUB. End of story |
ibrahim2712 said: Then I might as well say "Latin America Dubs".DBZ is better in DUB. End of story |
CabronJun 15, 2013 3:27 PM
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Tavor said: Unit-01 said: spyrocoot said: Please learn to English. Lmfao, +1 I didn't even notice until now I actually feel bad for him now lol. |
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kinpaku-chan said: IntroverTurtle said: yup no no no, the bgm of dubbed is annoyingibrahim2712 said: NopeDBZ is better in DUB. End of story Nope |
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Tavor said: Man, I've been here since the start. lolUnit-01 said: spyrocoot said: Please learn to English. Lmfao, +1 I didn't even notice until now |
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tsudecimo said: Tavor said: Unit-01 said: spyrocoot said: Please learn to English. Lmfao, +1 I didn't even notice until now I actually feel bad for him now lol. Why do you feel bad for me? |
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spyrocoot said: I thought he was reffering to me.tsudecimo said: Tavor said: Unit-01 said: spyrocoot said: Please learn to English. Lmfao, +1 I didn't even notice until now I actually feel bad for him now lol. Why do you feel bad for me? |
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Unit-01 said: spyrocoot said: I thought he was reffering to me.tsudecimo said: Tavor said: Unit-01 said: spyrocoot said: Please learn to English. Lmfao, +1 I didn't even notice until now I actually feel bad for him now lol. Why do you feel bad for me? Nah, he has some sort of grudge against me for some reason :S |
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gamer2710 said: At least Funi got the original cast back for Black Lagoon Roberta's Blood Trail!el_putazo said: I think the changed voice actors has more to do with Funimation not being able to get them back for various reasons, not necessarily because they wanted to cast new people.gamer2710 said: I'm not saying change is always bad, but there is some things better left unchanged. Then again that's just me.el_putazo said: Change =/= bad. The new Gohan was fine and the new Frieza was amazing, far superior to the original. There are others but I can't recall them. I don't know about the upscale; I watched it on Nicktoons with my old non-HD TV.gamer2710 said: Why?Why not Kai? Unit-01 said: That's why.This, Kai is horribly upscaled, and changed VAs for a few characters Sentai Filmworks, for example, tried to get the old Saber back for Unlimited Blade Works, but couldn't, so they settled with someone else. |
spyrocoot said: Probably trying to indirectly insult you or something.Unit-01 said: spyrocoot said: I thought he was reffering to me.tsudecimo said: Tavor said: Unit-01 said: spyrocoot said: Please learn to English. Lmfao, +1 I didn't even notice until now I actually feel bad for him now lol. Why do you feel bad for me? Nah, he has some sort of grudge against me for some reason :S |
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| DBZ is the only anime the I prefer to watch dub =/ |
Unit-01 said: It was directed at spy and it wasn't really an insult ( no grudge here ). |
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| Subbed if you haven't experienced it as a kid. Dubbed if you have experienced it as a kid. I've heard DBZ is better subbed but due to the nostalgia value I have for the dub I can't watch the sub. |
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| If you don't mind males voiced by females go ahead and watch the sub. |
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Eckilsax said: If you don't mind males voiced by females go ahead and watch the sub. Yeah, Goku does sound like an angry middle-aged woman going through her last menstrual cycle when chargin' up. |
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lucjan said: That's because he IS voiced by a middle aged woman... >_<Eckilsax said: If you don't mind males voiced by females go ahead and watch the sub. Yeah, Goku does sound like an angry middle-aged woman going through her last menstrual cycle when chargin' up. |
SteampunkDalek said: She's really old now, also the problem with it is that she's the same VA for Kid Goku too... So she's been Goku for like 20-30 years...lucjan said: That's because he IS voiced by a middle aged woman... >_<Eckilsax said: If you don't mind males voiced by females go ahead and watch the sub. Yeah, Goku does sound like an angry middle-aged woman going through her last menstrual cycle when chargin' up. |
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| I would suggest for you to watch the original series, subbed, but Kai did a pretty in removing a lot of unnecessary stuff. The problem with watching Kai, is that you'll miss the awesome OST of the original series (well, in the Cell Saga in Kai they did use some of original OST, but the Freeza Saga without it just doesn't feel the same). |
| Dubbed, i fucking grew up with it dubbed, i played ALL THE FREAKING FIGHTING games dubbed, and it is superior to the Japanese audio that sounds like cats in heat. Hell, even a fan-made parody (TeamFourStar FTW) is the next best voice cast, i prefer them over the Japanese audio any day. |
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RockerXD said: +1Dubbed, i fucking grew up with it dubbed, i played ALL THE FREAKING FIGHTING games dubbed, and it is superior to the Japanese audio that sounds like cats in heat. Unit-01 said: Why would they make a granny voice a young man... One of the great mysteries of anime!SteampunkDalek said: She's really old now, also the problem with it is that she's the same VA for Kid Goku too... So she's been Goku for like 20-30 years...lucjan said: That's because he IS voiced by a middle aged woman... >_<Eckilsax said: If you don't mind males voiced by females go ahead and watch the sub. Yeah, Goku does sound like an angry middle-aged woman going through her last menstrual cycle when chargin' up. |
| Dubbed, because the Japanese Goku dub is horrible and annoying. |
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Eckilsax said: If you don't mind males voiced by females go ahead and watch the sub. Because this is the only anime where they did that. And Goku and Krilyn are the only ones voiced by women. There are still VA veterans. DBZ is one of those shows with the strongest cast. @OP According to your profile, you're from Netherlands. You can easily skip the English dub and watch it either in Japanese or your local dub. English dub is too cheesy and everyone sounds like a heavy smoker. Everyone has a sore throat. |
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| Personally though, I thought the Spanish (Latin America version) was not only the perfect dubbing for DB series, but overall just a perfect dub in every way. |
TachiiJun 16, 2013 8:41 AM
Dubs>subs. Breaking Bad>Anime Comic books>manga 99% of Anime is Garbage |
| watch it dubbed there's something likeable in sean schmells voice doing goku |
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