Romance *SPOILER*

Ayane_Hajinmon said:

http://s12.postimg.org/j9yh9p39p/aug_2013_draws_by_jjchopper_d6kb0cs_cut.jpg
i like the idea that miss little angel isnt so innocent XD

MikasaxEren said:

I didn't mean to come off as aggressive, I was just defending my points and pointing out that if Mikasa and Eren are in a relationship with somebody in cannon, it only makes sense that it would be with eachother.

I just looked at my last response and face palmed, it is so unorganised and ugly, but I haven't slept in 33 hours, so I'm off now. I will discuss this more with everybody here when I'm a little less... Dead.

Ayane_Hajinmon said:

http://s12.postimg.org/j9yh9p39p/aug_2013_draws_by_jjchopper_d6kb0cs_cut.jpg
i like the idea that miss little angel isnt so innocent XD

KaguraUzumaki said:


I just snorted my coffee. xD I'm positive that Krista is the pervert between the two of them. I mean, you just know that Ymir is shy and inexperienced while Krista is convincing her to do new things.

MikasaxEren said:

I didn't mean to come off as aggressive, I was just defending my points and pointing out that if Mikasa and Eren are in a relationship with somebody in cannon, it only makes sense that it would be with eachother.

I just looked at my last response and face palmed, it is so unorganised and ugly, but I haven't slept in 33 hours, so I'm off now. I will discuss this more with everybody here when I'm a little less... Dead.

my_name_is said:


Isn't it the basis of his personality at the moment though? His main focus is to kill all the Titan's whatever his reasons. Yes I'm probably looking at it a bit superficially but I only read SNK like a week ago so I've not really had time to obsess yet.

Whatever his motivations are, and yes they're important, it doesn't change the outcome does it? I'm not the greatest at explaining myself (I ramble) maybe basis is the wrong word to use as that implies cause rather than effect and I didn't mean that Eren's 'kill them all' attitude is the foundation of everything about him its more that everything about him culminates in that? I know what I meant even if it wasn't clear :P

Yes actually.
I'd personally draw up his hesitation over fighting Annie and co. is that a part of him had considered them as friends/allies so it's hard to just switch that off immediately. So there was initial conflict?

The way I see Eren (as superficial as it might be) is that yes he does actually enjoy killing those that he considers his enemy. The Titan that tried to eat him being classed as such and the men that he killed when he was 9. That was pretty bloodlusty to me - but it's only when he's lost in his beserker rage.

Also I can't remember the exact words but he gave a speech about life and fighting. In my opinion he actually has the urge to fight, enjoys the kill, and luckily enough for him (or so it seems at the moment) there is an enemy to fight. I do wonder though if this urge is related to something Dr Jaeger might have done though??!!

Imagine the internal conflict that will come when he realises that the enemy is not who or what he thought?

*Falls on face* This is basically what I was trying to say when I said Eren was asexual and doesn't realise he has a penis. I was being funny but then it was taken seriously! Eren and a romantic relationship just doesn't happen in my head.

That is actually kind of sad. Without the Titans Eren and Mikasa may never have met so is that the paradox? As terrible and as hard as their lives might be they have each other. Eren is kind of her whole world the day her parents died I think she decided to make Eren the thing that she fights for. The 'fight' is what Mikasa needs to live hmmmm basically in my mind it transcends a simple romantic relationship. I'm sure in like 500 chapters it will be easier to explain.

MikasaxEren said:
When their relationship kicks off (which it will!) it is going to be one crazy relationship.

I mean Mikasa loves him so much, and she is only passionate around Eren, that and with her physical ability... I don't think Eren is going to be so sad and depressed no more.
And for Mikasa she would be happy that Eren is just with her. But all it would take for her to make Eren try harder is act protecting or mothering and he would get determined to show her just how much better he is...
That and all that spirit and passion Eren has, let's just say Eren can probably get it "on" better than most.


White knight just became black knight

Hitchcocker said:
Am I the only one who has failed to see (if any) the chemistry between Annie and Eren? Apart from the occasion, which was in the very first few chapters, where she taught him her fighting skills, they hardly have any interaction from what I can recall. It was only after the FT reveal, then I found out that Eren actually has feelings for Annie.

ErenxMikasa said:


He doesn't have feelings for Annie, the author said so himself, it's just that he still sees her as an ally.

Hitchcocker said:


His denial could easily be interpreted as so though. Thats a shame, I think they would have made a cute couple together. What is it with Eren and these Alpha females.

promptu said:
all these shipping wars in this thread
i mean everything in this series is shippable

Jotaro_Kujo said:
God damn it's like a minefield in here. Narratively speaking it's clear that Eren and Mikasa are the most viable couple, and I say that without having a dog in this fight. All other ships would be fraught with age differences, OOC interactions, and tiny nagging complications like one of the pair being genocidal.

HalfMetalJacket said:

What about YmirxChrista? = (

Isayama did say Ymir had romantic affections towards Christa (Historia now), though its not certain if Historia views Ymir that way.

Jotaro_Kujo said:


Well there's at least a half-century age difference here, but I suppose since Ymir is physically a teenager that shouldn't be problematic. I agree that they're sort of viable, but it's clear that Historia cares for Ymir as a friend and not romantically.

Jotaro_Kujo said:

Well there's at least a half-century age difference here, but I suppose since Ymir is physically a teenager that shouldn't be problematic. I agree that they're sort of viable, but it's clear that Historia cares for Ymir as a friend and not romantically.

HalfMetalJacket said:

I never realised that. I think I regret realising it now...

Xinception said:


No, don't let him fool you.

Historia loves Ymir.

Don't let him fool you.

HalfMetalJacket said:

I know Historia is all over Ymir. But Ymir has more than half a century on her...

Xinception said:


Just means that she's more matured?

Also means that... she knows a lot of "techniques".

Sure enough to capture her "prey", no? c;

HalfMetalJacket said:

Hmmmmm...

Ymir has now won the 'Best Lesbian Cougar in all Animanga' award, seeing as she might be the only one. YmirxChrista (Historia) FOREVER!!!!

stickmansam said:
Eren x Mikasa or bust

Xinception said:


QFT.

And also Ymir x Historia.

MikasaxEren said:

Just popping in to say I approve of this message.

grimeszy said:
I might get eaten alive here, but I feel like Mikasa acts like a mama hen when it comes to Eren. Aside from the fact that she blushed that time she was mistaken for his girlfriend. If this ship happens, I'll be okay. If it doesn't happen, I'll be a bit sad, but I'll also be glad if they all end up alive, ya know?
And I know Eren has an inferiority complex when it comes to Mikasa, which I hope he gets over. You don't understand how happy I was at the way he reacted during his trial when he heard he tried to kill Mikasa. Also loved how he defended her. I guess he doesn't get to do much of that anymore since she's such a strong woman, hence his feelings of inferiority. I guess I could understand that. I just want Eren to show her some more appreciation. Kinda like when his mom died, he regretted the way he acted towards her at the house. I just don't want him to end up feeling that way if (IF, I STRESS IF) Mikasa (SOMEHOW) gets killed off.
Anyway. I don't doubt that Mikasa loves Eren with all of her little heart, and I definitely believe that he is her will to live. I'm just not sure if she is undoubtedly IN LOVE with him, per se. Yes, she wants to remain by his side no matter what. I just don't know if she wants to be by his side as his lover.

Also, poor bby Jean, I just want that poor sap to be happy, haha. I think the most he'll get out of Mikasa is acknowledgment or gratitude. Poor bby.

PS,
The way Mikasa was acting when she asked Eren if he had feelings for Annie didn't strike me as crazy jealousy. It may just be me, but I feel like she was just trying to shock Eren into action by being painfully blunt about all the facts. Obviously Eren admires Annie and vice versa. But i have no clue forreal. These characters are way too complicated and are living in a way too complicated universe! D:

Red_Kitty said:
omfg guys.

ErenxMikasa shippers need to chill the hell out.

Not everyone ships in strict accordance to canon - when people say 'they'd be cute together', we are not requesting an analytical sweep of every page of manga for evidence of interaction. Many people prefer ships based on potential rather than actuality - imagining characters in alternate worlds, without certain events/characters, where the plot takes sharp turns pushing some characters together and others apart, and just are interested to imagine how it'd develop in 'another world'.

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as for my opinion... *shrug*. Not much of one. I can't honestly see any ships happening just because the series is so disinterested in romance - or even sex in general (an anime without fanservice, eh?).

If anything is going to happen, it's prolly ErenxMikasa, although I can quite easily imagine "happen" means one will brutally die for the other (or just accidentally at the last moment), and we get a glimpse of the culmination of their feelings in a life-before-your-eyes flashback. Combines the romance with typical SnK "yes, it got worse" tone.

Honestly I'd kinda like this anime to take another step in dark, and enter deconstruction territory (maybe taking a leaf out of eva's book, but I don't want it to go full out crazy), where Eren's predictable shounen hero determination becomes crippling and he is consumed by bloodlust and uncontrollable rage, and Mikasa's is shown to be as obsessive, all-consuming, and destructive as a yandere irl would be. Romance would be hinted at but ultimately impossible. I don't think such a direction is impossible. Eren's behaviour as a Titan can border on scary and inhuman (think of the "I'll devour you" comment in his and Annie's fight), and Mikasa's sudden shifts in mood when Eren "dies" are quite alarming, and potentially obsessive.


uh yeah guys, I'll just stick to YmirxChrista and SashaxPotato...

Red_Kitty said:
omfg guys.

ErenxMikasa shippers need to chill the hell out.

Not everyone ships in strict accordance to canon - when people say 'they'd be cute together', we are not requesting an analytical sweep of every page of manga for evidence of interaction. Many people prefer ships based on potential rather than actuality - imagining characters in alternate worlds, without certain events/characters, where the plot takes sharp turns pushing some characters together and others apart, and just are interested to imagine how it'd develop in 'another world'.

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as for my opinion... *shrug*. Not much of one. I can't honestly see any ships happening just because the series is so disinterested in romance - or even sex in general (an anime without fanservice, eh?).

If anything is going to happen, it's prolly ErenxMikasa, although I can quite easily imagine "happen" means one will brutally die for the other (or just accidentally at the last moment), and we get a glimpse of the culmination of their feelings in a life-before-your-eyes flashback. Combines the romance with typical SnK "yes, it got worse" tone.

Honestly I'd kinda like this anime to take another step in dark, and enter deconstruction territory (maybe taking a leaf out of eva's book, but I don't want it to go full out crazy), where Eren's predictable shounen hero determination becomes crippling and he is consumed by bloodlust and uncontrollable rage, and Mikasa's is shown to be as obsessive, all-consuming, and destructive as a yandere irl would be. Romance would be hinted at but ultimately impossible. I don't think such a direction is impossible. Eren's behaviour as a Titan can border on scary and inhuman (think of the "I'll devour you" comment in his and Annie's fight), and Mikasa's sudden shifts in mood when Eren "dies" are quite alarming, and potentially obsessive.


uh yeah guys, I'll just stick to YmirxChrista and SashaxPotato...

MikasaxEren said:
I don't get how people can say that Eren will end up hurting those around him did to his "bloodlust". I mean everytime we see him go into bloodlust mode it is because he is trying to protect something (Mikasa from kidnappers, Trost and it's people from titans, Mikasa and his comrades from Annie). The only time we see Eren explicitly enjoy killing is when his titan form is in control (his first transformation) and as said by Mikasa it is almost a manifestation of humanities rage.
That is what Eren's titan form is, his anger and will, and it also has it's own personality ( I will "control" the titan and he nearly loses it when fighting against Annie, when he goes crazy and said "I'll eat you").
Both Eren and Mikasa are damaged people, it is why they need eachother so much.

katarin said:
If any of these ships come into fruition, it will probably be Mikaere. However, the way I see it playing out in my head is that there won't really be any onscreen romance, per se. The series will end, humanity is saved, and there will be a full, two-page illustration of Eren, Mikasa, and Armin journeying out to see the world. Probably some feathers/wings to really bring the caged animal/freedom theme full circle.

That's assuming that it's a happy ending and neither of them die. There are some shounen mangas out there in which you can rest easy through every battle scene because you know that your faves are untouchable. This is not one of those. Isayama has made pretty clear that no one is off limits (i.e. Levi's team... as soon as you're starting to warm up to them and possibly start forming ships coughlevixpetracough, a wild Annie appears and brutally murders them all). Going along with that logic, it is completely possible that Eren or Mikasa might get killed before anything romantic can develop between them.

ALSO, I saw a post on here somewhere, but I can't find it to quote it. Basically, people can ship whatever they want and for a variety of reasons. Non-canon shippers don't go scouring through the manga/anime looking for hints of romance or sexual tension because they think it's going to happen; they do it because they know it isn't and they are going down with their ships, aye aye fucking captain. That being said, my personal OTP is Eren/Levi. Yes, the odds of that pairing happening are below absolute zero. But I like ze yaois and thanks to all the pretty fanart and doujinshis, the pairing ignited the flames of moe of my inner fujoshi.

And just to address the pairing that seems to get the most hate: Levi/Mikasa

Even though any evidence of them holding any interest in each other is contrived and far-reaching at best, I can see why some might ship them:
- They are both incredibly strong
- Both have somewhat cold and callous personalities
- They seem to have an antagonistic (but grudgingly cooperative) rapport, which is more than enough to kindle a raging fire of the classic love/hate romance story (hence the fics that MikasaxEren angrily refers to)

TL;DR: Shipping isn't logical. Specifically, noncanon ships are not meant to be logical. They go strong because they are fueled by imagination and endless, endless headcanon.

MikasaxEren said:
I don't get how people can say that Eren will end up hurting those around him did to his "bloodlust". I mean everytime we see him go into bloodlust mode it is because he is trying to protect something (Mikasa from kidnappers, Trost and it's people from titans, Mikasa and his comrades from Annie). The only time we see Eren explicitly enjoy killing is when his titan form is in control (his first transformation) and as said by Mikasa it is almost a manifestation of humanities rage.
That is what Eren's titan form is, his anger and will, and it also has it's own personality ( I will "control" the titan and he nearly loses it when fighting against Annie, when he goes crazy and said "I'll eat you").
Both Eren and Mikasa are damaged people, it is why they need eachother so much.

Then there's nothing to talk about. Seriously though, when you say they'd be cute together, that implies potential yes, but if not based on canon, then based on what? Appearances? Matching hair color?

I've already gone over this, you can ship whatever you want, just don't get all up in arms when it's called a crack shipping if there's no canon basis for it.

ErenxMikasa said:


Yes, but then what is there to talk about? Unless you're trying to convert people to your shipping, non canon pairings have very little to talk about and otherwise will just cause arguments with other people due to their stubbornness.

katarin said:



There's a lot to talk about. Shipping whatever pairings doesn't detract from overall enjoyment of the anime. Ships also don't rule the anime; there's a lot more too it, like a great story line, epic scenes, character development, humor, etc. It just sounds to me you've had a lot of unpleasant encounters with young, illogical teeny-bopper type fangirls, in which case all I can say is ignore them? They'll grow out of it eventually (like I did lmfao) and feel really embarrassed about it later in life.

And as far as causing arguments, from what I can see in this thread, the only one causing arguments is you and your stubbornness. I've skimmed through most of the posts in this thread, and no one is trying to convert you to another ship or trying to sink yours. To the contrary, most people here acknowledge that within Isayama's work, Eren/Mikasa is the only ship that will probably ever sail (given what we know about the story at this point in time). Simply, all they've said are comments such as: "I like X pairing better than Mikaere because X pairing gives off a better feel to me," or "IDK, I just like the (potential?) chemistry between A and B better than Mikaere." A very important note, those are all I comments, statements of subjectivity, based on their own personal feelings and perceptions. But you treat these like shots fired against your ship, which they are very much NOT.

I don't know if you're familiar with the Harry Potter fandom, but Harry/Hermione shippers rode that little piece of driftwood to the bottom of Davy Jones's Locker (same with Dramione, which everyone KNEW would never, ever happen in a million years). I'm pretty sure no one ever thought it could ever actually be canon, but they just liked the chemistry (or POTENTIAL chemistry) of the characters if they ever were to mesh romantically, hence the influx of art, fics, etc.

The aforementioned is plenty to talk about among us noncanon shippers. And still, I haven't seen anyone try to sink your ship. All of the posts supporting other pairings were simply adding their piece since this is, after all, a thread to talk about their own ships. So maybe save your ammo for those actually attacking you?

All ships were not created equal; that is, some are canon and some aren't. But that doesn't mean we can't all share the seas~

Red_Kitty said:


I think it's easy to mix anime!eren, who's had his rage stepped up a level in uncontrollable, to manga!eren who has a more level head on his shoulders, although still holds a passionate, unshakeable grudge and hatred of Titans.

Also you could argue that because they're damaged people, they'd possibly be bad and fuel each other? I've seen that happen in real life, to be honest, where two mentally broken friends got worse after dating each other. Depends on individual cases, it can obviously be good for empathy etc. but usually a mentally healthy partner will have better habits and have more time to pay attention to yours and thus can help them out a lot.



"Oh, X and Y would be cute together, no?"
"No way, she's too old for him."
"Nah, they're both adults, and besides I think X would really suit a level-headed partner. They'd bounce off each other."
"Isn't X too much of a daredevil, though?"
"Nah, Y has an eccentric streak, despite her appearances. If you look at her reaction here [page number], you see her smirking in the background."
"I don't know, I think Y's too passive for a combative relationship. How about Z instead?"
"You're joking right? Z's like a buddhist monk. Z would never date anyone!"
"That's what makes it funny lol."

Instead of:

"Oh, X and Y would be cute together, no?"
"No, that's not canon."

ErenxMikasa said:


The second shipping needs to check out.. permanently

katarin said:
It's one thing to encourage an open discussion, and another to drown out everyone else's opinions when its contrary to your own.

Yeah, lol. MikasaxEren, ErenxMikasa. Your usernames are mirrors of each other, so sorry if I get you mixed up. However, I do know that you both take a rather antagonistic stance against other ships, even when literally all they said was "hey I like this ship."



I have no problem with anyone's ship. But both MxE and ExM seem to have problems with everyone else's ship, particularly those that aren't canon. Like I said before, not all ships have to be canon. If they are, great! If not, still great.

Clearly, not everyone agrees with you. If they already stated they have different opinions that are not going to change, then continuing to hound them with counter arguments after counter arguments is, indeed, "shoving opinions down their throats."

Vanisher said:
I will never understand how the fuck people came up with levi x eren.

katarin said:
I would understand your anger if these "rabid Levi fan girls" are attacking you out of nowhere. Are they though? I'm genuinely curious. But even so, maybe it's best to leave that anger on ff.net...

I have read all your posts. I'm not debating any of your points; in fact, I agree that Mikaere is the most logical pair and the one that would be most cohesive with the manga plot. However, to say that ships would destroy a manga is a little bit dramatic. I doubt Isayama is going to stick two characters together just because of overwhelming fan demand. That's the only way ships could destroy a manga; otherwise, it doesn't really matter what people ship because the mangaka is just going to write what he has envisioned and planned out from the start.

Shipping wars, however, can certainly ruin a fandom. I've lurked through many of these wars in my time, and I can (not so proudly) call myself a veteran. Call me a pacifist, but war has made me weary. I usually stick to the shadows, but it just bugs me when I see one side stomping everyone else out. No one really "wins" shipping wars. Even if Mikaere end up in the end, diehard Mikasa/Levi, Mikasa/Jean, or Mikasa/Potato/Sasha will just write a billion post-SNK fics... my point is that it's stupid to argue which ship is better or which ship is canon or your ship sucks because it ruins my ship, etc, etc.

And why do you need to attack other ships anyway? Baselessly or not, I still haven't seen anyone attack your ship...

MikasaxEren said:
My real hate stems from the blatant Eren bashing that most of the other shippers support, they don't understand him as a character at all and it irks me to no end.

tch said:

Nice statement without any examples.

@everyone - you aren't allowed to discuss things in a civil manner or have your opinions. How dare you ship anything that isn't Eren x Mikasa.You are wrong and the only ones right are MikasaxEren and ErenxMikasa. That's the point of this whole thread, so kindly keep your opinions and ships to yourself. Sarcasm, if it wasn't obvious.

And you two crazy Mikasa x Eren shippers, please continue with your endless walls of text that nobody reads, it's entertaining how people get so worked up over nothing and wasting their time on trivial things. The rest of us will do something more productive and enjoyable in the meantime instead of reading children's squabbles on the internet.

tch said:

Nice statement without any examples.

@everyone - you aren't allowed to discuss things in a civil manner or have your opinions. How dare you ship anything that isn't Eren x Mikasa.You are wrong and the only ones right are MikasaxEren and ErenxMikasa. That's the point of this whole thread, so kindly keep your opinions and ships to yourself. Sarcasm, if it wasn't obvious.

And you two crazy Mikasa x Eren shippers, please continue with your endless walls of text that nobody reads, it's entertaining how people get so worked up over nothing and wasting their time on trivial things. The rest of us will do something more productive and enjoyable in the meantime instead of reading children's squabbles on the internet.