Who is your favorite character?

Naoki-Saten said:

Character I don't like: none. They're all interesting and deep in their own way

Deecool47 said:
Awww no love for Saika? Why is that?

He's pretty cool if you ask me.

StopDropAndBowl said:
I'm a Hayama man, myself. He's popular, good-looking, good-natured, intelligent, athletic, easy-going, thoughtful, and relatively mature. Basically, he's a guy that you can't help but be friends with. He's not too proud to admit his mistakes, and he's not too full of himself to ignore other people's feelings. His one big flaw is that he's a little too wishy-washy and goes with the flow a little too much; but that's entirely forgivable.

I also like Yumiko. She's a total bitch, but she's also popular, intelligent, athletic, and best of all, she's confident. Sure she's got some insecurities (mainly based around Yukino, who is, ironically, a bigger bitch), but overall she's definitely not dwelling on them too much. She knows what she wants and she's not afraid to reach out and take it. I'd love to date her.

tsudecimo said:

You like to throw the word intelligent around it seems because Yumiko is dumber than Yui and Hayamn wish washy personality is not forgivable if that's all there is to it when it comes to his character. Character being popular is a likable trait now? Ok.

Naoki-Saten said:

I have yet to see a proof for Yumiko's intelligence. After episode 3, I was sure that Yumiko was pretty much as dumb as a brick. Though I don't think she's THAT stupid anymore, but I still have the impression her intelligence is mediocre at best.
Notice how she fails to see things from a different person's perspective (episode 7: "She's cute, so she should just hang out with other cuties. They'll be friends in no time. Yep, I'm a genius.) and despite being in the center of the school society, she's oblivious of the 'dark side' of it (ep 8, ebina's comment).

And yeah, listing 'popular' among her positive traits gives the impression that you want to suggest that being unpopular makes you a bad/unlikable person. That is something I definitely cannot agree with.

That aside, apart from her confidence, you only listed outward traits, instead of character traits which kinda makes you look like a superficial person (no offence intended). Ironically, you did not mention an important trait of Yumiko (most important from my point of view) - namely that she really watches out for her friends.

StopDropAndBowl said:

I see no indication that she is stupid. Young... sure. Conceited? Absolutely. But not stupid. No less intelligent than Yui. Perhaps a little less perceptive, but I remind you that she is very young. Besides, I didn't say that she was a great person, or that she was a genius. I said that she was intelligent, and likeable. To me, she is likeable. I repeat: I would have loved to date her when I was in high-school. She is just the right kind of bitch that can be really fun. Of course she has some growing up to do, but then again, Hayaman DEFINITELY has some growing up to do; and in his own way, he is just as, if not more, unfriendly than she is.

StopDropAndBowl said:
Yeah, I listed superficial traits because let's be honest, Yumiko is a pretty superficial girl. I don't hate people for being superficial, I actually am kind of fond of it. Just like some people are very introspective and have a lot of depth to them, some people are superficial and shallow and not very introspective at all. I don't hate people for being the way they are, I accept them and try to find the good things about them. And I would hate to say it, but being attractive physically is a good attribute. It does make a person more likeable a lot of times. Not just being naturally pretty, but actually taking good care of themselves, showing good grooming and fashion sense. Those are admirable qualities, especially in a female. I don't want to spend time with someone who doesn't even have the sense or courtesy to take care of their appearance.

Maybe it's just a facet of me getting older, but I'm much more tolerant now of superficial people than I was when I was young and more like Hayaman. As I grew, I realized that hating people for being superficial was no better than hating people for any quality or personality quirk.

"Hey, you're playing tennis! Hey, mind if we play here too?"
"Miura-san, we're not playing."
"Huh? What? I couldn't hear you!"
"Totsuka got permission to use this place. So noone else can use it."
"Oh? Aren't you using it?"
"No. I'm just helping him practice. I'm like a subcontractor. Outsourcing, you know."
"Huh? That, like, made zero sense. It was, like, totally gross."

Shortly after, she butts in on Hayama's conversation with Hikki.

"Hey, Hayato. I wanna play tennis already"

And shortly after, butting in again on the boy's agreement to settle it with a match:

"Oh my god, sounds totally fun. Like, let's make it a mixed doubles match! Oh. My. God.
I'm like, a genius!"

Lastly, after proposing the mixed match herself, she's halfway attacking Yui for taking Hikki's side. Now tell me, genius girl. Who is it you'll be playing a mixed match against? -_-

Basically, what makes her look like a stupid bitch are her 2 catchphrases.

Tenzen12 said:

To be honest I don't see how it makes her look stupid (especialy as Hikki did make zero sense and were gross), only very, very selfcentered, which we knew already.

Tenzen12 said:
Point is it's just stupid semantics, and there is no reason to go along with his wannabe smartass comments (that is how I interpreted their exchange myself at least). There is no proof she didn't know meaning of word or sentence itself nor that she cared a bit.

Naoki-Saten said:
Not knowing what outsourcing is might be just a gap in knowledge. But when she saw Saika and Hachiman playing Tennis and heard that Saika got permission to use the place, she only had to add two and two together to figure out that Hachiman is helping him. No, scrap that. Hachiman actually spelled out that he's helping Saika at the beginning of the sentence. How can an intelligent human being not understand that much?

Naoki-Saten said:

Another one of your favorite words: young. Please remember that every character in this series is 'young'. If you will, even Shizuka-Sensei has a childish side to her. However, 'young' is by no means a way of comparing a bunch of characters none of which are truly mature.

I shall provide a more detailed explanatioin as to why I once considered Yumiko dumb and still refuse to believe her to be intelligent.

Maybe Yumiko and Yui look stupid by contrast because Hachiman and Yukino are just so damn smart.

But still, what is your definition of 'intelligent' ? Non-primitive? Humanlike intelligence? Merely not being stupid? Or just as intelligent as an average person?

Maybe it's just me being stubborn, but I refuse to spend time in order to adjust my appearance so that a maximum amount of people would accept me. Those who are shallow enough to dislike me due to my looks - I already consider them scum.

Succumbing to society's principles and discarding your own values and opinions isn't GROWING up. It's GIVING up. Giving up your individuality.

You seem to be very concerned with my choosing one character over another... And yes, young is a perfectly fine way of explaining why her bitchiness and self-centerdness and why Hayama's wishy-washiness are forgivable traits. TBH, if Hachiman and Yukino were not young themselves, they would be ridiculously annoying characters. I would spend almost all of my time thinking: "Jesus Christ, grow up already, you whiny losers!" But because they are young and in high-school, I spend my time thinking: "Haha! I was a lot like that! Ah... good times."

I'm not gonna quote the whole thing for the sake of saving space, but I will say that none of that proves she's stupid. It proves that she is a bitch. She calls him gross because she's a bitch. She says it makes no sense because in a way, it doesn't. She obviously wasn't talking about the WORD outsourcing, she was talking about his use of it: he says only what-his-face can use the court. She says: well aren't you using it? He says: no, I'm just helping him practice. Hence, he is using it. She's being a bitch, not being stupid. And besides, I'm pretty sure a lot of her "stupid" is just an act she puts on.

I don't see either of them as being super intelligent in any way. They are perceptive, and Yukino is well-spoken; but they seem to be smart, but not genius'. In fact, in some ways, they are pretty stupid.

The ability to perceive and communicate one's perceptions in an accurate, sensible manner. Grading intelligence is harder. The most intelligent person would probably be Yukino, but not by a long shot. Then I would put Hachiman, but again, not by some great degree. They are marginally more intelligent than the other kids from what I've seen. And since I believe that not social aptitude is it's own kind of intelligence, I would say that Hayaman especially is intelligent.

That's fine, but you're making your life harder than it has to be. People will judge other people by the amount they take care of themselves, and there is nothing wrong with that. If you don't even have the common sense to take care of yourself, why should I trust that you will take care of me if the need arises?

I used to think so, but I disagree now. The biggest part of growing up is letting go of your pride in favor of getting things done in the most efficient way possible. Also, open-mindedness requires maturity, and open-mindedness allows one to see WHY society has said principles. WHY the majority of people feel one way and thus build their society around it.

StopDropAndBowl said:
That's fine, but you're making your life harder than it has to be. People will judge other people by the amount they take care of themselves, and there is nothing wrong with that. If you don't even have the common sense to take care of yourself, why should I trust that you will take care of me if the need arises?

StopDropAndBowl said:
I used to think so, but I disagree now. The biggest part of growing up is letting go of your pride in favor of getting things done in the most efficient way possible. Also, open-mindedness requires maturity, and open-mindedness allows one to see WHY society has said principles. WHY the majority of people feel one way and thus build their society around it.

StopDropAndBowl said:
I'm a Hayama man, myself. He's popular, good-looking, good-natured, intelligent, athletic, easy-going, thoughtful, and relatively mature. Basically, he's a guy that you can't help but be friends with. He's not too proud to admit his mistakes, and he's not too full of himself to ignore other people's feelings. His one big flaw is that he's a little too wishy-washy and goes with the flow a little too much; but that's entirely forgivable.

myd10oz said:
Yukinon or Hachiman but I voted Yukinon.Because her personality is good to me :)