Who will continue to watch the rebuilds after the trainwreck that is 3.0?

Aug 25, 2013 5:56 PM

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I think the fourth movie will be like the ending to Code Geass R2. It will completely make up for the trainwreckness. Granted 3.33 and R2 were entertaining trainwrecks.

Nov 16, 2013 11:59 AM

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Evangelion 3.0 was very engaging. Sure, it may have used some cheap writing tricks to be so, but there wasn't a moment in the movie where I wasn't intrigued. However, like others said, 3.0 has a lot of flaws, and their resolutions depend on 4.0.
Of course I'm going to watch 4.0! I've huge expectation of it: to tie up most, if not all, loose ends from 3.0, and for it to be impacting and, most importantly, satisfying.
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then again, it's Anno we're talking about here...

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Jan 13, 2014 9:01 AM

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A film professor friend of mine once shared an idea with me...

If you see something in a movie that somehow seems "wrong" to you, rather than assuming it is a "mistake" or thinking of it as a "flaw" in the movie, instead consider that perhaps it is *exactly* as it is supposed to be, and that the filmmakers worked very hard to make it *exactly* as you see and hear it. Then from there think about *why* that shot, scene, etc. might be just as it is, and how that contributes to - rather than detracts from - the desired goals of the filmmakers.

It is one thing to dislike a movie because it did not fulfill your personal expectations. It is entirely something else to approach movies as works of art that are unique expressions of someone's vision, and then to see if you can interpret the content and meaning of that vision using the material of the films themselves, as well as seeking out interviews or other tangential information that surrounds the making of films.

For example, Anno himself said that "there was a total of more than forty revisions of the script" for 2.0. I think we can therefore safely say that after all that revision there was not one single word of dialog or frame of image that ended up on the screen that was not exactly what Anno wanted up there.

Similarly, I think we can guess that 3.0 was exactly as Anno wanted it to be.

Now, if you personally didn't like it for whatever reason, then you are welcome to that, of course.

As for me, I find it more interesting to, by analysis and interpretation of what's up there on the screen, see if I can work out some of the ideas that Anno was trying to communicate to me (and the rest of the audience).

I just saw 3.0 for the 4th time over the weekend - finally on the big screen and subtitled during its limited US theatrical release - and I thought it was amazing.

Very excited for 4.0, then 4.44

Jan 13, 2014 11:57 AM

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I very much like all 3 of the Rebuild movies so far, and I expect I will like the fourth as well.

Here's one thing that I just noticed / put together in my thoughts about #4.

It also provides a reason for why I expect to like it.

In the original Japanese the title of each movie is the same until the point where it ends with a ":" after which we get the title of that individual installment.

To illustrate:

movie 1
:序

movie 2
:破

movie 3
:Q

movie 4
:||

Now, you can read about the deeper meanings of the first three near the top of the Wikipedia page for the Rebuild movies, but that last one is the symbol for "final ending" or "final bar" in musical notation.

but

if you read the ":" before the symbol as part of the symbol, then it changes its meaning to "repeat"

That same Wiki page linked above kind of tries to pin down whether the "true" meaning is one or the other (end or repeat), but I think it's awesome that the ambiguity of meaning is built into it. Even if Anno himself were to say only one meaning is 'correct" (which I don't think he would), the other meaning is in a way permanently there: built into the syntax of it.

Of course Evangelion can end, but it can also never end - by virtue of repeating eternally as a video "product" that can be viewed again and again; can have endless permutations, product tie-ins and spin offs; and also the fact that it is in some sense "about" the idea of things in life repeating themselves eternally, while also "ending" in a different ways (which are sometimes also not so different from each other at each repeating).

[edited to add...]
Another thing I just noticed is that using a symbol from music notation marks Rebuild #4 as 1) a "transnational product", and 2) a work with "universal meaning" much more so even than using the letter "Q" for the title of movie 3.

As I understand it "Q" has had the widest US theatrical release of the Rebuild series, and the screening I went to (in Metro-Detroit) was even subtitled (not dubbed) and still had about 80% or more of the seats filled. It is establishing itself clearly as a successful transnational product, and using a non-Japanese language symbol as the title of the 4th movie furthers this marketability.

Furthermore, music is considered to be the "universal language," and as far as musical notation is concerned this is literally true. Not everyone will readily get the Japanese/English punning in the title "Q", but anyone anywhere in the world can readily discern the dual meaning (final/repeat) of #4's title regardless of their written or spoken linguistic ability. All they need to know is basic music notation.

I think that's pretty cool, and kind of deep / poetic.

deleuzeanJan 14, 2014 5:59 AM

Jan 14, 2014 4:06 PM

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Yes I would watch Evangelion 4.0: You are (Not) You

Jan 15, 2014 5:41 AM

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deleuzean

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Sofian_1 said:
Yes I would watch Evangelion 4.0: You are (Not) You

ha

your comment made me notice that the rumored English title "You Can (Not) Repeat" is additionally enhanced by the repeat/end ambiguity of the : + || symbol.

The "hidden" variant of the (rumored) title "You Can (Not) End" is thus created.

Feb 12, 2014 3:20 PM

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3.0 had some majestic visuals. 4.0 has two years of improvement. Why deny myself such a spectacle just because 3.0's story was bland?

Feb 12, 2014 3:21 PM

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Still better than End of Evangelion

Feb 14, 2014 11:36 AM

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Yes, I'm looking forward to 4.0 after the best rebuild

Feb 26, 2014 10:33 PM

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I'm a fan of the original series and also have wound up enjoying and loving the rebuilds almost as much (the fourth and final film will finalize/hammer out a lot of peoples' feelings towards the other films/pieces of the story imo). The Rebuilds aren't flawless but I'd can hardly call any of them train wrecks.

Mar 4, 2014 1:34 PM

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Guess I'm one of the few people who can say that they liked 3.0 right off the bat and who understood the characters' actions and disposition. 14 years is a long time for resentment (with Shinji) to build up. I thought that Shinji's confusion with the situation was well portrayed, including his rash actions, no matter how facepalm-worthy they'de otherwise be.
And both visuals and music were pure candy for my senses.

Jun 5, 2014 7:54 PM

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Niverdia said:
Guess I'm one of the few people who can say that they liked 3.0 right off the bat and who understood the characters' actions and disposition. 14 years is a long time for resentment (with Shinji) to build up. I thought that Shinji's confusion with the situation was well portrayed, including his rash actions, no matter how facepalm-worthy they'de otherwise be.
And both visuals and music were pure candy for my senses.

Actually in this situation, 14 years is a long time to forgive rather than to have built up resentment. It's not like he was causing the impact to happen for 14 years straight and people were still feeling it.

Jun 6, 2014 9:23 AM

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I wouldn't mind 3.0 if it wasn't set immediately after 2.0. I liked the whole time-skip as an idea and how things were turned out. But imagine if 4.0 is something random again without wrapping things well with the previous movie.

Jun 6, 2014 9:28 AM

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i'll watch 4 just to see this to the end...of evangelion.

Jun 14, 2014 9:16 AM

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I didn't think 3.0 was a trainwreck. I liked it personally, it had an interesting twist from the original series. And besides, after watching the previous 3 movies, why wouldn't you spend 2 hours of your time watching the last movie just to say you did?

Jul 13, 2014 1:22 AM

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even though 3.0 was close to the worst thing i've had the misfortune of watching, i will still watch 4.0 (mainly because i need to see if misato dies in the rebuild adaption of nge or not)

Jul 13, 2014 1:14 PM

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This thread is based on a fallacy.

Not everyone disliked 3.0, and I certainly didn't. It didn't spoonfeed you and I understand some kids don't like that, but you must realize thinking for yourself isn't always a bad thing. It changed around some things and added some more, but this is a rebuild, not a re-release.

On topic: of course I will watch 4.0, as will everyone else, even if they deny it to fit in.

Jul 16, 2014 9:21 PM

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Lolwut? 3.0 is different. Therefore it is a trainwreck.

But in all seriousness I liked 3.0.

But if they somehow reveal the Rebuilds are a SEQUEL to the original Evangelion and perhaps the world reset itself or something after instrumentality on the original my mind will be shattered in the best way possible.

Oct 7, 2015 11:56 AM

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I absolutely loved 3.0 ...

better than the first two movies even...

and the wait for 4 or 3.0 + 1.0 is killing me!

Oct 15, 2015 9:43 AM

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The entire 3.0 was the studio thowing money at the trash: twenty minutes with the ship taking off, characters avoiding Shinji's questions and yelling at him, half an hour with that piano and in the end, Shinji ruining everything when everyone was telling him to don't make a move.
And just a garbage of explanation to don't age any character.

That's it. Nothing more. There isn't nothing deep or substance at all.

And I'm a huge fan of the series, including the last episodes( beautiful exposition about individualism), the last movie and the movies 1.0 and 2.0

The review written by Foggle in the page of the movie is exactly what I think.

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Oct 17, 2015 7:40 PM

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demo actually commented on here dear god

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Oct 25, 2015 3:53 PM

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How can I not watch 4.0 when I had a headache when I watched 3.0 (3 times).
I want to know what happens next.
And if Anno is crazy he can make it even more bizarre than 3.0
I just imagine a preview to Evangelion 4.0 + 2.0 and myself still browsing MAL Evangelion release date forums.

Nov 2, 2015 10:46 AM

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I just want some mecha porn, not very concerned with the plot. It would be nice if 4 somehow makes the previous 2 movies not seem like complete nonsense, I'm not expecting it to.

Nov 9, 2015 9:26 AM

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3.0 was my favorite of the three movies, so of course I'll continue watching it.

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Nov 9, 2015 10:25 AM

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