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#21 12-28-08, 11:57 AM
hirahira Offline Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 2607	I think the art, music and and the voice acting in this show were great. but the plot wasn't. so this show will get a 6 from me.

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12-28-08, 1:02 PM

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the ending was ok but overall i enjoyed this anime a lot,i will give it an 8

it is true it could have been a lot better,it could have improved the story compared to the manga but in the end it is a action anime and its main focus is the action,just like the manga,and i liked that,it is probably for me the best action series of the year

oh and yeah,i really did not like Kuromitsu in the anime,for some reason i felt like she was more obsessed with Kuro than in love with him

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12-28-08, 2:47 PM

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SilentPredator03 said:
Let me preface this by saying this is what I got out of it and not definitive. This is from a combination of the series and reading the manga.

DeathfireD said:

I'm also a bit confused as to what actually happened towards the end where Kuro shows up in the city before it's destroyed, running from the red army. Was that just a random flashback to show how the city got fucked up in the first place?

I don't think it was a flashback, but rather a flash forward. When you see Kurou wake up, he looks upon the city that is completely rebuilt. Add to that the fact that in the following clips we get a quick glimpse of the Red Emperor (Benkei) ordering them to find and kill Kuromitsu. Now he lifts his hand up briefly and you can see just how much it has shriveled - showing that he's aged even more after the time we see him meeting with Kuromitsu. Afterall, he gained immortality and Kurou didn't cut his head off after their duel. I think this point is just to show that the cycle of Kurou and Kuromitsu meeting and running from their pursuers is endless.

Also what was the point of Kuon's body? Was it really just a replacement for Kuro's body? If so why? Is his head the only thing that doesn't age?

Kuon was created specifically for Kurou - as he needs to replace his body every 100 years or so. The reason Kurou has to change bodies every 100 years is because when he drank Kuromitsu's blood, Benkei chopped his head off before the blood could finish mixing. Kuon is actually a 'complete' immortal like Kuromitsu. She created him in hopes that giving Kurou an immortal body would eliminate the need for him to switch bodies. It's not that his body doesn't age, it's just that it can't take the constant damage and regeneration. After awhile it begins to weaken until he can't move anymore.

I can see from the very end that they did not actually "go back in time" since there was buildings destroyed all around the forest that Kuro and Benkei where in. I can only guess that this is a never ending cycle that Kuro and Kuromitsu created into order to survive and keep their relationship fresh.

Not so much to keep their relationship fresh as it is a necessity of Kurou switching bodies. As she is being pursued, Kuromitsu can't exactly wait around for Kurou to finish joining to his new body and she has faith in him that he'll find her.

Also the evil old guy was still not explained other then he wanted Kuromitsu dead...

The 'evil old guy' is Benkei. He was jealous of Kurou for his relationship with Kuromitsu. He betrayed Kurou to the group that was chasing them at the time and found out that Kuromitsu is immortal. He spends the next 1000 years chasing her so that he could tell her his feelings. A little bit crazy and obsessive? Yeah, but look what she did to Koun. This is a woman who has a great power over men.

Overall, the 'ending' is left up for the viewer to decide. Was it a dream? Possibly, but the destroyed landscape around the jungle suggests not.

That explains a lot, thank.

I originally thought thats what Kuon's body was for (I posted that in the last thread) but they kind of brushed it off in this episode so I wasn't sure.

I totally didn't know the old guy was Benkei though haha. That kind of makes this even more confusing considering the old guy is seen in the first episode telling the dead looking red army people to kill Kuromitsu but the young Benkei is with Kuro. I wonder if the Benkei we see in this endless loop is a clone as well created by Kuromitsu.

I'm guessing this is one of those series that you have to watch a few times before you actually understand it haha. I think I'm gonna read the manga before I watch it again though.

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#24 12-28-08, 4:06 PM
stayatari Offline Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 412	in my point of view, kuromitsu shouldn't have had problems with her persistent pursuers in the first place. her immortality grants her unbelievable powers, so she should be able to beat them hands down.... 耳を塞いでも両手をすり抜ける真実に惑うよ。

#25 12-28-08, 4:38 PM
sick742 Offline Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 158	SilentPredator03 said: ...Kuon is actually a 'complete' immortal like Kuromitsu. She created him in hopes that giving Kurou an immortal body would eliminate the need for him to switch bodies... if kuon was a 'complete' immortal like u said, so why the fuck he died? doesn't make sense at all... :lol: my pet needs to be 'clicked' >>>

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12-28-08, 5:08 PM

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I didn't like the ending. Now I want Kuromitsu dead so Kuro can have a life, and I mean only ONE life. Seriously, just because she is like a bored god doesn't mean she can restart poor Kuro (by decapitation) to chase her around just for fun.
I think the "flasback" at the end is like a foreshadow, but I dont remember if it is in the first episode.
Overall I give it a 7, I will probably just watch again to hear Mamoru's voice and the action scenes

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12-28-08, 7:05 PM

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DKCesia said:
I didn't like the ending. Now I want Kuromitsu dead so Kuro can have a life, and I mean only ONE life. Seriously, just because she is like a bored god doesn't mean she can restart poor Kuro (by decapitation) to chase her around just for fun.
I think the "flasback" at the end is like a foreshadow, but I dont remember if it is in the first episode.
Overall I give it a 7, I will probably just watch again to hear Mamoru's voice and the action scenes

He would have been like her if Benkei didn't fuck up Kuro's body before the blood mix was complete.

The first ep shows the same scene (or a similar scene) only without buildings. The last episode shows the destroyed buildings around the forest.

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12-28-08, 8:51 PM

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NOT CLEVER AT ALL!

What the hell happened between the last episode and the beginning of this...I thought everyone was dead? Then these guys are here fighting Kuro, and the performer for the recaps is in the show?

Benkei alive? What? Ridiculous. This show really has had no story this whole time. It was just an excuse for a bunch of fights, but the fights have become lazier and lazier with every episode that passes. Kuro just let Kuromitsu chop his head off again. Then we see him do all the things with random look alikes, and then it was all some weird delusion that happened in an instant at the beginning of the show? GARBAGE.

Hated the episode, hated the show. 2/5.

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#29 12-28-08, 9:04 PM
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#30 12-28-08, 9:28 PM
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12-28-08, 10:39 PM

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I will admit that the ending was something not to be expected at all. I was quite surprised by the shocking [and strange] twist at the end. I agree with SilentPredator03 that the ending truly is best left to the imagination. Should the viewer choose to believe it was a strange alternate reality or something nothing more than a dream is entirely up to him/her. The ending was not so bad. At least the fighting scenes were enjoyable.

I will say this, mind you. Immortality is something of little value. After all, who wants to live forever to watch the world destroy itself for thousands of years? Furthermore, to gradually decay like Benkei's condition is far worse than death itself. It's best to burn out than to fade away after all.

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12-28-08, 10:50 PM

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SisterStrange said:
I will admit that the ending was something not to be expected at all. I was quite surprised by the shocking [and strange] twist at the end. I agree with SilentPredator03 that the ending truly is best left to the imagination. Should the viewer choose to believe it was a strange alternate reality or something nothing more than a dream is entirely up to him/her. The ending was not so bad. At least the fighting scenes were enjoyable.

I will say this, mind you. Immortality is something of little value. After all, who wants to live forever to watch the world destroy itself for thousands of years? Furthermore, to gradually decay like Benkei's condition is far worse than death itself. It's best to burn out than to fade away after all.

Well on the subject of immortality, I would like to live forever =/. I mean if I could maintain perfect beauty, health, and never die, that just gives me all the time in the world to fulfill everything. :3 You'll never run out of things to do since the world if always evolving and growing... there will be never enough time to live our lives fully..

#33 12-29-08, 2:11 AM
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12-29-08, 11:09 AM

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The first 10 minutes were great with the fights and everything else, but the ending overall left me with a strange feeling. I felt that the series has reached its conclusion, but there should be more than that to the story. As for the whole "time loop" thing, I think the main story in the series is one of the many "time loops" that Kuro has gone through. He's met the same people over and over again, but they all lead different walks of life with each loop (i.e. The blonde girl, Rai, I think, was living in a shabby old apartment in episode 2, but in this episode, she was seen as a librarian or something like that). Long story short: I feel bad for Kuro going through this loop over and over again.

Overall, this series gets a 6.5 or 7/10. The animation is beautiful and the first few eps were impressive, but the story became confusing after that. Things started to make sense around ep 10, but after that, the story became confusing again.

#35 12-29-08, 1:40 PM
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12-29-08, 4:11 PM

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Zange said:

SisterStrange said:
I will admit that the ending was something not to be expected at all. I was quite surprised by the shocking [and strange] twist at the end. I agree with SilentPredator03 that the ending truly is best left to the imagination. Should the viewer choose to believe it was a strange alternate reality or something nothing more than a dream is entirely up to him/her. The ending was not so bad. At least the fighting scenes were enjoyable.

I will say this, mind you. Immortality is something of little value. After all, who wants to live forever to watch the world destroy itself for thousands of years? Furthermore, to gradually decay like Benkei's condition is far worse than death itself. It's best to burn out than to fade away after all.

Well on the subject of immortality, I would like to live forever =/. I mean if I could maintain perfect beauty, health, and never die, that just gives me all the time in the world to fulfill everything. :3 You'll never run out of things to do since the world if always evolving and growing... there will be never enough time to live our lives fully..

But then your forced to see your loved ones (family, friends, lover(s)) die as well as your children and their children and their children's children...etc. Sure you could go around doing whatever you want but at some point it would just get lonely and boring.
Not to mention it would be like a college kid handing out with middle schoolers haha. That shit gets old fast.

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#37 12-29-08, 4:44 PM
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12-30-08, 3:46 AM

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