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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- A few things. 1. Grell is a perv. 2. This bad guy is pretty cool with the whole making people into dolls thing. 3. Wait. Ciel actually cares about someone? 4. I love the character designs in this show. |
| Is this not subbed? I can't find the sub anywhere >.< |
| Wow, Grell is my new favorite character in this show. (: Enjoyable series. And, agreed, such lovely character designs! @myexodus: You can download it at animetake.com. :O |
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| Yeah, Grell has shown his true self :D This show enjoys me more and more with every new episode! Even different variations of "London brige" are nice :) Sooo lovely :3 |
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| wow. looks like things are starting to get way more interesting. :D i liked the background info we finally get on ciel. very nicely done, explains his current position |
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| am i the only guy watching this still? creepy episode though |
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| nope shoxk, I am...this felt more Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and not in a good way. I can't put my finger on it, but there was just something I generally disliked about this episode. |
| lol Ciel stole half of Sebastian's catchphrase XD and loved the flashback, the music was amazing! |
TakaiJan 16, 2009 3:20 PM
| This Episode gets a 5, almost purely because it contains Grell <3 LOVE that crazy cookie <3 |
| Return of Grell =O, and what a messed up birthday D: |
| i have to say i love Joker >_> i feel my drawing inspiration coming back suddenly, i want to draw him <3333333 |
| Grell is awesome. "CAN I KISS HIM!? EVEN... DOWN BELOW!?" Oh God I laughed. Loved this episode though. Also, interesting to see a compassionate side of Ciel (with Lizzy). |
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| I really, really hope that this new doll villan guy isn't a substitute for Joker. They look similar, but their personalities and stuff are different. Joker is way more cool. |
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| lol Grell is such a disgusting psychopath. |
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| Grell's awesome and I'm glad he showed up, I was beginning to miss him! xDDD Takai said: i have to say i love Joker >_> i feel my drawing inspiration coming back suddenly, i want to draw him <3333333 :o So I'm not the only one... his makeup is so fun to draw. >< |
| I start to like Greil. I disliked him for killing Lady Red, but I can't resist his lovely gayness... XD Too much Elizabeth in this episode though... and way too much Ciel being concerned about her. >_> |
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| wah~ for someone who is generally freaked out by victorian dolls this episode was creepy as hell >w< is nice to see that it may be turning back to the kind of creepiness that made me fall in love with the show in the first few episodes ^__^ and yes, 5/5 for Grell >.< he is LEGEND |3 |
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| So, this episode basically answers the question: if your mother is killed during the Oedipal stage of development, what are the consequences down the line? Answer: you're forced into an ambiguous master-slave relationship with a demon by a cult of creepy mask-wearing occultists. Then, you come to necessarily depend on the demon -- fond of its maternal aspects, yet aggressive towards its paternal features -- while it reciprocates its intense desire to have you soul with a bevy of undertones: sadomasochistic, pedophilic, homoerotic. Also, you end up hating your birthday. Well, more accurately, it finally the poses the question to the answer it's been giving all along. However, this series is still working on a much deeper level than I first expected! Grell was hilarious and I agree the dollmaker henchman was done quite well in both character design and presentation, including the use of the London Bridge song. Quite creepy! I like the exposition about Ciel's backstory, even though it only gave us marginally new information. (I'm also a guy, shoxk.) |
| Agreed to a few points. The doll maker does look similar to Joker but Joker definitely had a personality and was not like a puppet/robot himself (some of his movements were rough and rigged like it was mechanical). This is my first time watching and reading at the same time (I usually never read) so I'm actually able to pick up the differences (in this case, vast) in storyline. So it's almost as if we're getting two versions of the same series (and I don't just mean reading and watching). Another deal is that the animation do look very slick. I think it's like X or Blood: The Last Vampire where even if it was made many years ago (X), the graphics are still so nicely done that time has no real effect on it. I'm actually very, very, very annoyed by Elizabeth, will never call her "Lizzy", and am quite frankly rooting for her death. xD Sorry for any fans, but she needs to die. Right now. I was surprised when I first started the series at how dark it was and I absolutely came to love it so much more because of the dark side. With Elizabeth? It kills, and her voice as well as personality and presence brings me to wish each and every time that I see or read of her...that she dies. So, my dear dark series, please, as a favor, kill her off. After all, it would help by bringing more drama to Ciel's life, especially if he did lose her on his birthday. See? Two birds with one stone. Lots more to say but I'll leave it at that. |
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| THIS IS THE WORST FILLER EVER. IT'S EVEN WORSE THAN D.GRAY-MAN, AND THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING. AUGHHHHHHDlfdlf;s;fsdf |
| Okay, so did anyone else pick up on the fact that the series clearly goofed this episode? Allegedly, a Reaper's (shinigami, whatever) scythe or scythe substitute can cut through anything, right? We were told this. So why in the world did Greil's scissors fail to slice through that one puppet's hands? Huh? Did this bother anyone else? |
| 'I long for those vibrations again!' Wow, Grell is permanently horny Dx Elizabeth, please die. kthxbai That organ-grinder/dollmaker reminds me of Hikaru/Kaoru so much xD |
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chicanerous said: HAHAHAHA thanks so much, you made me laugh out loud =)So, this episode basically answers the question: if your mother is killed during the Oedipal stage of development, what are the consequences down the line? Answer: you're forced into an ambiguous master-slave relationship with a demon by a cult of creepy mask-wearing occultists. Then, you come to necessarily depend on the demon -- fond of its maternal aspects, yet aggressive towards its paternal features -- while it reciprocates its intense desire to have you soul with a bevy of undertones: sadomasochistic, pedophilic, homoerotic. Also, you end up hating your birthday. Well, more accurately, it finally the poses the question to the answer it's been giving all along. However, this series is still working on a much deeper level than I first expected! Grell was hilarious and I agree the dollmaker henchman was done quite well in both character design and presentation, including the use of the London Bridge song. Quite creepy! I like the exposition about Ciel's backstory, even though it only gave us marginally new information. (I'm also a guy, shoxk.) I can't agree more with you! (Except the part when you say you're a guy, lol) Tsumayouji said: Yes, I was wondering that too D:Okay, so did anyone else pick up on the fact that the series clearly goofed this episode? Allegedly, a Reaper's (shinigami, whatever) scythe or scythe substitute can cut through anything, right? We were told this. So why in the world did Greil's scissors fail to slice through that one puppet's hands? Huh? Did this bother anyone else? |
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| Ciel promising Grell one day with Sebastian in which he can do whatever he wants to him O_o... that's like Shinigami heaven for him *_*! i really don't know if this is still a filler or not, but after i finish the anime i really want to read the manga too; hopefully i'll understand more about Ciel's past because right now with the explanations so far i'm worse than clueless. to me everything make less sense with every episode... |
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| Graill irresistible... but I still a little bewildered by his gayness. He is male, right? 0_o |
| If I could fly... |
| Ahh, more creepy dolls. o_o I seem to be watching a lot of stuff with creepy dolls in it lately heh. At least they weren't possessed or anything this time around, they just looked creepy. wtf @ Greil's extreme gay-ness. oh and, Tsumayouji said: I was also wondering this. D:Okay, so did anyone else pick up on the fact that the series clearly goofed this episode? Allegedly, a Reaper's (shinigami, whatever) scythe or scythe substitute can cut through anything, right? We were told this. So why in the world did Greil's scissors fail to slice through that one puppet's hands? Huh? Did this bother anyone else? |
| love the episode the part with the doll maker is cool |
| the episodes are just better and better. and these are still fillers? wow. I've recently started to get those in a number of shows. is it something like 'good filler episode' season or something? but really, a great episode. can't wait for the next. Tsumayouji said: yeah, that scene made me wonder. maybe greil got into so much trouble so that they really are just plain scissors after all? but on the other hand it's kind of crazy, even if it's someone who managed to get a chainsaw in the 19th century.Okay, so did anyone else pick up on the fact that the series clearly goofed this episode? Allegedly, a Reaper's (shinigami, whatever) scythe or scythe substitute can cut through anything, right? We were told this. So why in the world did Greil's scissors fail to slice through that one puppet's hands? Huh? Did this bother anyone else? Catboy said: yeah, i laughed qute a bit. what happens when he calms down and turns back into a dog? Bye bye pretty clothes lollol the dog finally got some clothes. |
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chicanerous said: So, this episode basically answers the question: if your mother is killed during the Oedipal stage of development, what are the consequences down the line? Answer: you're forced into an ambiguous master-slave relationship with a demon by a cult of creepy mask-wearing occultists. Then, you come to necessarily depend on the demon -- fond of its maternal aspects, yet aggressive towards its paternal features -- while it reciprocates its intense desire to have you soul with a bevy of undertones: sadomasochistic, pedophilic, homoerotic. Also, you end up hating your birthday. Well, more accurately, it finally the poses the question to the answer it's been giving all along. However, this series is still working on a much deeper level than I first expected! Grell was hilarious and I agree the dollmaker henchman was done quite well in both character design and presentation, including the use of the London Bridge song. Quite creepy! I like the exposition about Ciel's backstory, even though it only gave us marginally new information. (I'm also a guy, shoxk.) ahaha glad to see i'm not the only one thinking about the oedipal stage here =P |
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| can anyone link me the music when |
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| Ohh, Elizabeth's going to be turned into a doll. Ciel you better hurry up or you'll lose your fiancee. Also, why don't they show the eyes of Ciel's father? Is he like going to play a role in the future? Makes me wonder. Grell became Ciel's partner for a while only because Ciel will let him do whatever he wants to Sebastian later on, lol. Pluto seems to be worthless since he didn't even transform when Ciel needed him. :( I wonder what happened to Ciel in that birthday party of his when he was younger. Some kind of ritual occured to him. Also, I think the reason why Grell's scissors couldn't cut down those metal dolls was because he's using a ordinary scissors since that guy took his sycthe away, lol. |
| 1. Greil is officialy gay 2. I cried when the cut and branded ceil 3. pluto was pretty much usless 4. joker is so damn hot 5. joker is cool with his power and stuff 6. Elizabeth better not be a doll in the next episode |
Bakayaro said:  The only reason anyone ever needs to watch this episode. Yes! :D Almost like a Sailor Moon. His moves I mean, and the moon in the background. |
| I had no idea this show was gonna be so halloween-ish! This is awesome! |
| The appearance of Grell makes this episode the best since the end of the first arc. |
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| NOOOO!!! SEBASTIAN!! |
| Grell is in epic gayness mode... WIN.. |
| I'm ashamed to say this but I actually like Grell...I hate him but at the same time he really amuses me. Also! Finally get to see a bit more of what happened to Ciel. It's horribly sad and upsetting but I want to know! |
| Yay for more Grell <3 It seems they took some elements from the circus arc in the manga and put their own twist on things. It's interesting in a few ways, at least. |
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LovingHate said: 1. Greil is officialy gay 2. I cried when the cut and branded ceil 3. pluto was pretty much usless 4. joker is so damn hot 5. joker is cool with his power and stuff 6. Elizabeth better not be a doll in the next episode Agree with everything. Especially the bold part xD It was nice to see some of Ciel's background. I want to know more... This was probably the best episode so far imo. I just loved it. Also, did anyone notice: |
| Greil is so over the top, I love him... her? Him? I wonder if there will be a 'Masonic' type theme, what with Ciel being branded in that strange ritual. This is Victorian London, after all. |
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| where can i watch this episode? |
| KYAAAAA!!! Moving dolls are creepy /\/\/\ |
| Denerwować się to mścić się na własnym zdrowiu za głupotę innych. |
| Grell in this episode was just ...wow lol God, I don't like Pluto.. |
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