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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Episode 12: “Waiting in Space” After 12 episodes of Saji's personal problems bringing Gundam 00 down to shit tier, it looks like the focus will finally go back to the story and characters that matter. Maybe Gundam 00 will start being good again. |
TechnicsMKIIDec 21, 2008 4:23 PM
| winners and losers. and this episode has tons of losers. sajixlouise=this relationship is deeper than space. win setsuna getting pacquiao'd=win 00 raizer=lose, too powerful. H45xors are bad. louise's melancholy state=amazing, so believable. lu mei as sex slave=lose, how low is she going to go just to get killed off memento mori being used way too often=lose wtf? andrei as louise's bitch=lose, and this is the junior bear. patrick cameo=lose, die already seravee as a useless blob floating in space as a distraction to the enemies=lose, give the machine something else to do other than sitting on it's ass with the barrier on the whole damn time hints of lockon 2 getting killed off=lose, why make it more obvious than it is alle, where's that guy? biggest winner ever is, again..... ALLELUJAH'S IRRELEVANCE TO THIS EPISODE. |
| Saji needs to die. |
| So i heard u guys complain that 00 is weak, we give you some haxors Lol Mizushima :D |
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| Despite the fact that 00 is overpowered, I liked this episode. Important points: - Saji's and Louise's take on their feelings was portrayed realistically. - I see no reason to hate Saji - he is practically what Setsuna was the entire last season. He blieves in certain things, acts rashly and on impulse and thinks that others won't understand him. Setsuna did exactly the same, till the bigger problems forced him to grow up a bit. - 00 is HAX although the portrayal of its powers fits its description. Its a suit which goes against the laws of physics and common sense and, most likely is meant for something more than just being the hax weapon. - Cybernetic arms seem to be quite strong thing. Getting Battlestar Galactica flashbacks there, with Louise. |
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| Holy **** not only 00 can telepatically enhance Setsuna, it can dematerialize and rematerialize... I think this is a first in the Gundam Universe.... So...00 Gundam along with its pilots fully transformed into GN Particles...I already imagine Ptoleimaios teleporting away from a deadly blast from Memento Mori in the future.... And now the other innovators know that Ribbons doesn't know as much as he brags...I wonder if this will cause Dissenssion within the Innovators... And the Federation government are really jerks, firing Memento Mori like a toy... Personally, I would not let them nor the Innovators lead humanity. They don't even have compassion and they don't care about civilians. Any government or peace formed by that are no more than a dystopia....The so called "unity" and "peace" is meaningless if the leaders consider human lifes are merely numbers in a game....Adn no matter how peaceful it is, if the government treats civilian like shit....there will always be rebellion and resistance... Just watch LOGH (Legend of the Galactic Heroes) to figure out.... Saji is also slowly growing up... |
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darkxdestiny said: KrylonBlue said: Saji needs to die. Doubt so. He will survive until the very end, I heard. One of the last episodes will be entitled "Crossroads" He's actually changed quite a lot since the beginning of the season.... |
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| lol way to go ribbons, epic slap. |
| This episode is good. Ribbons slap = lol And Louise expression is priceless Although its hard to see 00 clearly with all the GN particles around =( |
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wakka9ca said: One of the last episodes will be entitled "Crossroads" No. |
| Saji, you came this close to making me hate you, but you manage to become interesting again. i like how the show portrays his relationship with louise, it makes sense. wow, the 00 gundam is....yeah, hax. also, setsuna got punched, and ribbons slap for the lulz still, another fun episode. easily my favorite show airing at the moment oh yeah, the ad in the middle cracked me up |
dumbasatriDec 21, 2008 5:22 PM
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Fai said: there are innovadors who arent human looking no diffrent from a human,you have giant mechas the size of 3 story buildings(Mobile Suits) flying around in space,Battleships,Laser Cannon.....THIS IS ANIME PEOPLE realism/physics/common sense.. come guys dont make me laugh you can do better than that,when critique this or any other Gundam episode or anime episode that is an mecha or supernatura or horrorl etc..Despite the fact that 00 is overpowered, I liked this episode. Important points: - Saji's and Louise's take on their feelings was portrayed realistically. - I see no reason to hate Saji - he is practically what Setsuna was the entire last season. He blieves in certain things, acts rashly and on impulse and thinks that others won't understand him. Setsuna did exactly the same, till the bigger problems forced him to grow up a bit. - 00 is HAX although the portrayal of its powers fits its description. Its a suit which goes against the laws of physics and common sense and, most likely is meant for something more than just being the hax weapon. - Cybernetic arms seem to be quite strong thing. Getting Battlestar Galactica flashbacks there, with Louise. |
| get the fuck over it louise. man i hate repeating in every post that i hate her and saji. useless characters. i liked the new 00. it should be overpowered. i REALLY hope louise and saji just kill each other and the story progresses...focusing on the characters which actually matter |
KrylonBlue said: wakka9ca said: One of the last episodes will be entitled "Crossroads" No. Oh, sorry, it seems like some random misinformation I picked up....My bad... |
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| So Louise is going to become one of those unbearable characters hellbent on nothing but revenge... and Saji has become emo again. At least he managed to control himself this time instead of running off again. And lolz at Ribbons bitchslap to Wang Lui Mei. |
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| All they need now is another 00 n they will conquer the world....or an army of them lol. |
| So now Louise is becoming one of those easily hateable characters, and Saji is now again emo, and he was so close to being back to that wuss.. This Lousie/Saji better produce great results, cuz so far the two make the show somewhat unenjoyable.. |
| at least Saji realized what he'd be doing this time if he left. come on saji be a man. someone other than setsuna needs to lay it on him. oh and the best part was Ribbons smacking Wang Liu Mei, if anyone deserved it, it was her. Ribbons still needs more of a personality though as well as the other innovators. it was good to see the 00 do some ownage for once, but the others are useless now. |
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| lol right when 00 was starting to pwn I Kept laughing. It made me remember the first time I saw cell vs. goku in dbz lol! This episode was a letdown.. I mean c'mon allelujah, tiera, and lockon were pretty much useless. |
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| 00 is just way too powerful. I'm hoping they tone it down a bit in the future, because it's just way too much. And yeah, the focus on Saji and Louise isn't too bad for me, but I do hope it gets back to the more important characters. Finally, I do like the Ribbons slap, but it's still no match for the Bright slap. Overall, I think the series is kinda starting to go downhill, but I hope it will get better. |
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| well... 00 is suppose to be overpowered... i'm sure the innovators will find some way to counter it though... also liked the fact that Louise's and Saji's relationship was portrayed really realistically... |
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| yay big battle next week, operation memento mori is on its way. didn't know that the union have some kind of affiliation to kataron. now we are gonna get a fair fight with 4 innovators vs 4 gundams that should be fun. |
Wasabi said: So Louise is going to become one of those unbearable characters hellbent on nothing but revenge... and Saji has become emo again. At least he managed to control himself this time instead of running off again. Saji is growing a little slowly, but I think that him not taking off again was a big change. We will probably see him start to figure things out and become important to keeping everyone focused on their original goal of peace. He will probably win over Louise again too. Only the middle of the season, so things are still being set up, but I am sure the next episode will be a big one. I think it is sweet that 00 dominates. They will finally quit getting beat downs. I am sure the mega-GN particles also play a part in setting up a new peaceful future, and they will continue to have these psychic moments. |
| Need to kill both Saji and Louise who have consistently dragged the show down. Sad day when Setsuna gets pwned by Saji. Pimp slaps are always appropriate especially for Mei. Overpowered Gundam is awesome, lethal magic dust FTW. |
JarmelDec 21, 2008 11:24 PM
 "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees." By Emiliano Zapata |
| ...does anyone else find it funny how the guy is the one acting like a little bitch while the girl is moving on with her life? xD Sure it's a nice change of pace...but damn Saji you give whiny girls a bad name! xD |
| the innovator lookalike with the celestial beings is still bugging me. i got a feeling she is like tierria who doesnt know she is an innovator.. just a guess.. i don get why u don like the overpowered 00.. i mean this whole series IS entitled gundam 00 so isnt it obvious in the end its 00 who will stand?? nice slap by ribbons.. so its pretty clear that ribbons and gang arent the ppl who will carry out aeolia schenburg's plan cause they don know every inch of everything.. if they were really the good guys means ribbons would have known anything regarding CB and would be able to finish them in 1 go but he failed like 3 times?? i thought about it and i think aeolia probably had a rival or some enemy who wanted to change and manipulate aeolia's plan by creating the innovators.. |
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| Twice in that episode I thought that Saji was going to run off in the 00 Raiser and screw the gundams over and got very mad ==" glad he came to his senses. Wasabi said: So Louise is going to become one of those unbearable characters hellbent on nothing but revenge... and Saji has become emo again. At least he managed to control himself this time instead of running off again. And lolz at Ribbons bitchslap to Wang Lui Mei. Indeed, it's going to get weird from here, wonder if Wang Liu Mei will fully support the gundams because her pride got hurt. |
| At least mecha combat wise the episode was excellent. Patric had another chance to fail and 00 displayed its absolute supremacy. Now looking forward to next week ;) |
skules said: I really doubt its actually dematerializing and materializing (even though ribbons says that) probably something similar to bleachs shinigami step thing. And surely you have to love the gundams getting their ownback on the A-laws with their godly hax 00. Just wondering tho (PM ME IF U KNOW THE ANSWER) how come only exia is equiped with the twin drive system? No. It's really materializing and dematerializing as you can see the gundam becoming GNP Twin drive system ONLY works when the two GN Drive have a compatibility high enough. And only Exia's and 0 Gundam's have the highest compatibilty (only 70% I think?) |
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wakka9ca said: No. It's really materializing and dematerializing as you can see the gundam becoming GNP Twin drive system ONLY works when the two GN Drive have a compatibility high enough. And only Exia's and 0 Gundam's have the highest compatibilty (only 70% I think?) I thought it was an illusion made of GN particles. Actual dematerialisation just pushes it too far beyond Hax for me. |
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starseeker said: I thought it was an illusion made of GN particles. Actual dematerialisation just pushes it too far beyond Hax for me. After the second disappearance you can see how 00 "forms" from GN Particles. Ribbons references to it as "quantization" , which, going with simple-speech, is basically a process of object dissolving into particles and/or reforming/being-formed from them. Its clearly a teleportation, in a way of 00 dematerializing and materializing somewhere else. ;) |
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| The best episode in second season, IMO (unless you watch a series for a certain reason rather then just to watch the story for itself). Only few series manage to make relationships like SajixLouise so realistic and deep. Even I become sad whem I remember those two in Season 1... and I certanly can't believe that Louise was once so cheerful and energetic. When Saji jumped into 00 Raiser, I thought "The idiot is gonna repeat the same mistake...". I was pleasantly suprised when I saw that he came to his sense. And once again, his wish to go away to Louise and staying there was potrayed realisticaly. And Ribbons shocked was the greatest thing in entire series until now. It is always a pleasure to see arrogant guys make such a face. Action was superb as ever. 5/5 |
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KrylonBlue said: Saji needs to die. Quote for teh fucking truth, but sob no nekkid Setsuna in this episode. Anyways, I LOVED the 00-raiser trans-am. |
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 the action in the episode was decent but a tad bit underwhelming (not quite to par with episode 7 of a certain "other" mecha franchise that aired this year.) with the absence of Hallelujah (again. Just a little bit of action would have been nice). the new hax feature of the 00-Raiser is a blow to the series, something that is incredibly far-fetched (IMO, even if this is a Gundam series). If this continues for the duration of the series, I might have to put my suspended-disbelief cap on (which has been gathering dust since TTGL finished airing). |
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| OK, now I really hate Saji. He is so annoying. I really hope someone kills him (preferably Louise, I like her character(unlike everyone else :)). But...I somehow think he will survive, Louise will realise her mistake, and they will live happily ever after. Also, 4on4 battle innovators vs gundams? My only hope if that happens is to see Halle...Also, Setsuna finally owned someone, but in 2-3 episodes I predict him getting owned again(such a strong gundam, such a bad pilot). btw @avarice - is that picture from berserk manga? Looks like it :) |
| Much better than he last episode but it's still not up to previous episodes for sure. Some interesting developments and scenes, but overall, it could be much better if there was less Louise and Saji and more focus on what's really important (and a more consistent animation of course, it was clear that this one was rushed). However, it's much better than what I expected in the beginning of the season (and what we had in the first episodes of the season by the way). |
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Avarice said: the new hax feature of the 00-Raiser is a blow to the series, something that is incredibly far-fetched (IMO, even if this is a Gundam series). If this continues for the duration of the series, I might have to put my suspended-disbelief cap on. "Its Twin-Drive system, at full capacity, will exhibit the capabilities to defy the laws of physics and common sense". From 00 Gundam description. And teleportation is not that much of fetch. Its still in scifi territory. |
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Fai said: Avarice said: the new hax feature of the 00-Raiser is a blow to the series, something that is incredibly far-fetched (IMO, even if this is a Gundam series). If this continues for the duration of the series, I might have to put my suspended-disbelief cap on. "Its Twin-Drive system, at full capacity, will exhibit the capabilities to defy the laws of physics and common sense". From 00 Gundam description. And teleportation is not that much of fetch. Its still in scifi territory. Yes, it is within the bounds of Sci-Fi territory but this is Gundam, so far, teleportation has been unprecedented (from those I've seen anyway), and the 00-Raiser is just completely over-the-top, IMO. I guess this new development completely blindsided me since I did not expect it, or want even. @nina4life: Yeah its from Berserk. |
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| Gundam 00 is almost as bad or if not, worst then the Freedom/Strike freedom in Seed Destiny. The only good thing is that it needs the O-Raizer to go full power. |
TechnicsMKIIDec 22, 2008 5:04 PM
KrylonBlue said: Gundam 00 is almost as bad or not, worst then the Freedom/Strike freedom in Seed Destiny. The only good thing is that it needs the O-Raizer to go full power. but it actually fills in the loophole of Aeolia's plan.... Before it showed off its abilities, we didn't know exactly HOW CB is going to eradicate war... Now we know it will be through GN Particles from the Twin Drive.... Well, how else do you see CB winning against A-Laws that have 100x more firepower, manpower and upgrade their suits every 3 episodes? |
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