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I purposefully didn't write any particular reasons for disliking moe in the club description, as I know ya'll have many different thoughts on it. So, why is it that you dislike it?

For me, it's the fact that it's so fake. This whole feeling "moe" towards little girls or whatever thing reeks of anime and manga producers trying to make up artificial emotions just to suck the money out of anyone lonely enough to buy into it. Now, I wouldn't have a problem if it was just a small following, but what bothers me is that it's become so popular that it's almost a defining aspect of animu/mango to people who don't have much knowledge of the medium (which is most of the world), meaning most non anime fans are going to associate this creepy ish with all of us. I don't personally like the rest of the world thinking I go gaga over freakishly proportioned little girls who spout obnoxious catchphrases. It seems that these days, a show can't sell if it doesn't have have a token loli character (looking at you, Devil May Cry anime).

yeah that's pretty much my reason too,the majority of new anime coming out seem to be based off dating games and dating game franchises with the stereotypical weak girls that all look alike,there's nothing new and usually a complete lack of plot,and the worst thing is they keep coming out with sequels

I like the old fashioned Brown haired anime girl (80's 90's!). Those were are always the best. People get so worked up with like CC from Code Geass and that dumbass, pink haired chick from Seed. I can watch a series with them included but not Harem or Ecchi anymore.



Now that is anime beauty lol!

It's just so retarded and pointless. I think you hit the nail on the head hvesier with the fake emoitions.

Also I'm still astounded that people also can pay attention while watching it....like everything that happens in most of the titles doesn't even make sense or have a shred of intelligence in it to follow it's like staring at a wall of moving colors.

i just don't see any reason for it to exist except to provide fan service. which is just lame. since when did anime become this way? i miss old romance where the characters were actually interesting and diverse, not the harem filled with moe stereotypes. and geez, how many more dating-games-based anime are we gonna get? :( (i know some of you will be like WTF she gave Clannad a 10. i'll tell you one thing -- i couldn't stand a single female character in there. they were all so fake, and their actions were ridiculously predictable because right away you know what "type" they are. it's annoying. you can't relate to those kinds of characters)

as for loli stuff, it's just disgusting. now don't get me wrong. i have nothing against children in anime. but when they're really -children-. like, i dunno, Ichigo Mashimaro. they are little girls, but they -act- like little girls and they -dress- like little girls. they don't go saving the world by firing guns that are 3x their size. they're not being exposed to some ecchi situations. they really are little girls, and i don't mind it at all. this kind of anime doesn't look fanservice-y to me.

what annoys me more than anything though, is moe elements thrown into an anime where they just DON'T BELONG. i'm talking about Darker than Black here, one of my all-time favorites. what is the need of that pink haired cosplay obsessed chick who is hanging out at the detective agency?? every time they show her it just ruins the overall gloomy mood that i love so much about DtB! i honestly don't know what they were thinking.

Yeah, to clarify, I don't hate every single little girl in anime. What I dislike is normal women who look like lolis (Lucky Star) and loli characters thrown in for no reason but fanservice.

A little girl who's just a little girl is ok.

Moe characters are so 2demisional, they have no character and are simply just roles. I miss the day of mature women in anime, that I was able to differentiate witth personally instead of hair color.

I can't actually say that I'm a hater per se, but I agree with just about everything Takai said. I also find it really degrading to women... which, as a guy, is probably not something I'm "supposed to care about," but I do.

It's not as though I think all "moe" and "loli" should be wiped off the face of the earth... Ichigo Mashimaro was a good example of "loli" used correctly, and a certain level of "moe" can make a character attractive in particular ways that are certainly not wrong in and of themselves. However, loli has become a sexual demand and moe has completely diluted the market... in the same way that sugar and corn syrup have diluted American food, in a way. Moe actually detracts from the anime experience by all but assuring very 2-dimensional characters and plots being thrown to the wayside.

Oddly enough, though, I think the thing that gets me most upset about it is how they try to take these 2-D characters and actually make drama out of it. You can only rehash the same crappy characters and plots so many times before they stop being effective. A character defined by her breast size, hair color, or "type" isn't much of a character. (Likewise, a "normal" high school male who's dumb and inconsiderate does not become "nice" or likable because he has a harem.)

Fixed.


What really makes a character is a personality. Human beings have certain traits and talents that make them unique and interesting. Robots, on the other hand, don't have emotions or personalities. They are only limited to being devices... engineered to do whatever their owner tells them to do (at least for now...). That's exactly the problem... these characters are simply nothing more than caricatures... made to entertain to the audience's pleasure with little thought to performer him/herself. A drama isn't a drama when they're not human, and that's the most important part. Otherwise, it's just fake and offensive.

Relatively simple reasons: I find the stereotypes undesirable. What's interesting about being overly-cute or being a 12 year old flat-chest? Nothing. Both are bland devices used to make the most generic, boring, and annoying characters out there. It never ceases to amaze me just how shallow anime can be.

Also because I like tits... but that's purely a hormonal thing.

Well I can tolerate some moe titles, but not any kind of moe. The eyes-style looks painful at times and I dislike that "cute-little maiden with big breasts" prototype.
I mean, extreme moe, the worst kind of moe that can exist. Characters like Kyon's sister and Yuki Nagato in Haruhi Suzumiya just made me shiver in pain. Also moe dating sims look plain repulsive.
The actual reason why I entered this club is because I loathe, despise and HATE Loli.
The reason: Lowest form of degradation of woman. I mean, who wants to see an 8-years old showing her panties or practicing fellatio?!

EDIT: I forgot the Moe Fanservice factor. That's the reason why I dislike moe to some extent.

i hate soppy wet characters, stupid little cute voices desu ARG!!! it pisses me off so much. and the fucking tear moe eyes WTF that makes me hate them more.

i havent seen alot of moe anime thank god, i like stuff like LoTGH, Gundamn etc and even then the female character are somtimes wet.

best anime girl IMO is the sensie from FMA shes strong and confident and is a real women who isnt afraid to show her emotions.

I like rougher style, like Akira most, I guess. And what Kemonozume, Mind Game type stuff does is really amazing too. Yuasa rules. Even 5 cm/s is beautiful.

What's wrong with drawing normal-looking people or something surreal? It's just better for me. Totally subjective but I don't know, it feels better.

Huge fucking eyes isn't a metaphor for anything. It's just some weird fettish that a lot of stupid people are into. I don't even care if they would do something cool with those characters. But they're just trying to make them be cute and as shallow as possible and I don't want that at all.

Who would want to sympathize with some freak with eyes bigger than their mouth anyway? Can't take that shit seriously.

Expect a lot in the future, unfortunately. Some companies don't even know when to stop.

To be honest, I was neutral in the subject of discussing anime/manga series that contains moe, yet I was repulsed at the thought of people who think lolis are attractive. (Of course, since I'm a female, I would be naturally drawn to "cutesy" things, etc.)

However, when I grew older, my perception to these things became antagonistic. I became repulsed anything related to sexualizing characters that appears to have bodies of young children. That's why my anime list are extremely small; there are barely any series that the same caliber as Kaiji, where moe characteristics are not glorified whatsoever. It's quite disappointing that in Japan, the moe market is worth more than 88 billion yen. (from this site) As most people said in here, it degrades women.

I like my characters with slanted eyes like the baseball pitcher in One Outs. Now, that's manly. *_*

The real reason why I hate moe/loli and the fanbase because I actually encountered a real life person who seemed to have an eye to little children when I was a little kid.

So gay for Toua.

The studio which does those shows and Nobuyuki are so awesome.


We ought to make a thread where we recommend such shows.

I suggest Texhnolyze...has sexual content/nudity but in a different way.

Oh man i have alot stuff say about loli and moe. But i will not say much today , since i'm kind of busy...
anime/game/manga that have moe and loli are just made to geting fans to get money out their bank. To be host it just stuff like that are not story/plote but just fanservice to adult guy or young boy.

There over million of anime that have moe and loli ( more this spring anime 2009), it make sick to see it. God sometime I what kill them.


To be hostly I only watch clannad for story and not for what girls who going to the tomoya.
Clannad after story was good since there was more drama between Tomoya's life and Ushio. Mostly like I only care about is the girl form the Girl from the Illusionary World and robot.

This is the reason I stick with Shoujo ( with out magic girls) and Josei. Because girl are not moe or loli at all. There look alot mature then in shounen and seinen thaat have moe and loli
I can even guess anime that have moe and loli who its made for>shounen or seinen. It only take 1 sec.

While I don't necessarily hate the archtype, the problem is that 99% of the time, the moe/loli characters are thrown in just for fanservice and do nothing to serve the story. They are almost always flat characters, but since they are there primarily for fanservice, they tend to push the other, more developed characters aside. As someone who doesn't find any appeal in these characters, it means that I am bored whenever they are the center of attention.

Now, I don't automatically dislike all characters that are little girls. I'm fine with them as long as they act like, and are treated as, little girls. What I have no use for are characters who are basically adult women in the bodies of little girls.

So while these characters could be good, they are more often than not simply tools for writers who want to boost ratings.

i wrote something equal to this in the Brasil club just now before reading your post, haha

They simply aren't human. Like all stereotypes, they are predictable, boring and they're simplify complex emotions.

I hate the concept of the moe/loli character and most of all when they are adults because they look like kids.
ewww.

The only moe character that i've actually liked is Nia from TTGL. The thing about her is that she is there to actually move the plot and not just stand there and be cute.