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Poll: Do you think there will ever be an ecchi or hentai with a deep story?


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03-08-13, 1:25 PM

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So I was fapping thinking recently when this question came to me. Do you think hentai could ever have a deep story, or is it trapped too much in its own purpose to do so? By that I mean it caters to a market and a purpose, so they don't need a good story to begin with. And by deep I mean something more along the lines of more philosophical/psychological anime such as Ghost in the Shell or Lain while also having characters you actually care about and that have depth. Is this asking to much or is it just an impossible feat altogether? Why or why not? Being the good people of MAL that I know you are, explain your answer to contribute to discussion.

And do not say Bible Black because-

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03-08-13, 1:31 PM

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Haven't watched it but some say that Kite have a pretty decent story.

http://myanimelist.net/anime/320/Kite
 
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03-08-13, 1:47 PM

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Jauregui said:
Haven't watched it but some say that Kite have a pretty decent story.

http://myanimelist.net/anime/320/Kite


I would say they're 'alright'. Kite and Mezzo Forte, I keep forgetting which is which since they're literally the same.

If you want something like Ghost in Shell (well not really but theme-wise) with more high level in terms of ecchi/nudity/borderline-h, I'd recommend you check Mardock Scramble. I wouldn't say it has the best plot or story and it is kinda slow but it's still a good watch with fantastic animation. Has quite a bit of nudity, gore and some sex scenes. Not a hentai. It's kinda fucked up too.

Also another show to try, Mnemosyne. Don't look at the image MAL is using, check out the other images, they're better. Lots of yuri sex and gore. Again not a hentai.

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03-08-13, 1:48 PM

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Wait that's Bible Black? Then what the hell did I watch that one time.
 
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03-08-13, 1:51 PM

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As ecchi anime goes, as in Non-Hentai. I thought Highschool DxD had a pretty good plot. Certainly enough to keep me interested despite the boobs bouncing around everywhere throughout.


 
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03-08-13, 1:55 PM

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SirDrRoger said:
Wait that's Bible Black? Then what the hell did I watch that one time.


You skipped that part and went straight for the porn. Admit it.

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As ecchi anime goes, as in Non-Hentai. I thought Highschool DxD had a pretty good plot. Certainly enough to keep me interested despite the boobs bouncing around everywhere throughout.


This. Not only that but the ending wasn't left open. The MC decided who he would rather be with. Any harem anime with open endings are annoying as hell.
 
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03-08-13, 1:57 PM

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I don't think so, no. Porn, animated porn, they both serve the same purpose and concepts. To induce pleasure and sexual enjoyment/stimulation through simply viewing it. I mean, who the hell watches porn for the story anyways?
 
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03-08-13, 2:26 PM

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This question has been plaguing me for ages (well, months). My answer would have to be no. If the purpose of porn is to get you horny, then why does it need a deep plot to accomplish it?

I believe that for some show to be good, it has to keep these two things separate. Trying to combine them either leads to epic facepalm moments (Freezing looked super serious, but it didn't strike me that way) or shows that end up playing for laughs (i.e. most mediocre shows with fanservice).

When I'm watching a super serious show or reading a super serious text, the sex/fanservice gets in the way. When I look at porn, I skip the plot and get to the sex. See the problem here?

Then again, if someone finds a serious show that answers this topic's question (male protagonist preferred), please enlighten me. PLEASE.
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03-08-13, 2:29 PM

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Pure Mail is a hentai actually has an interesting setup for the romance that I've never seen before. It's not an award winning hentai, but it definitely tried to have some actual plot instead of PLOT.
 
03-08-13, 2:39 PM

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Depends on your definition of deep (Hur Hur Hur)
 
03-08-13, 2:42 PM

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Ahri said:
SirDrRoger said:
Wait that's Bible Black? Then what the hell did I watch that one time.
You skipped that part and went straight for the porn. Admit it.


No I think I figured out what happened. I never watched the original BB. I watched BB New Testament and once I got to the final scene of episode 1 I stopped watching and suppressed that memory until now.
 
03-08-13, 2:43 PM

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Depends on your definition of deep (Hur Hur Hur)


Penetration depth! ALL DA WAY THROUGH!

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03-08-13, 3:06 PM

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half the eroges are like that, the rest is fap material.
 
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Ahri said:

Riptos said:
As ecchi anime goes, as in Non-Hentai. I thought Highschool DxD had a pretty good plot. Certainly enough to keep me interested despite the boobs bouncing around everywhere throughout.


This. Not only that but the ending wasn't left open. The MC decided who he would rather be with. Any harem anime with open endings are annoying as hell.


Hmm he sort of did but I get the feeling that Isei is the type to choose more than one girl in the end and they'll probably be okay with it in DxD though I might be wrong. But that's how a harem should be in my opinion, the MC should have multiple relationships it is a damned fantasy anime after all!
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03-08-13, 3:08 PM

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LayedBack said:
Ahri said:

Riptos said:
As ecchi anime goes, as in Non-Hentai. I thought Highschool DxD had a pretty good plot. Certainly enough to keep me interested despite the boobs bouncing around everywhere throughout.


This. Not only that but the ending wasn't left open. The MC decided who he would rather be with. Any harem anime with open endings are annoying as hell.


Hmm he sort of did but I get the feeling that Isei is the type to choose more than one girl in the end and they'll probably be okay with it in DxD though I might be wrong. But that's how a harem should be in my opinion, the MC should have multiple relationships it is a damned fantasy anime after all!


You could always just read the character spoiler tags.

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03-08-13, 3:09 PM

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Who watches porn for the story?

*crickets*

I thought so.
 
03-08-13, 3:13 PM

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Paul said:
SquadmemberRitsu said:
Depends on your definition of deep (Hur Hur Hur)


Penetration depth! ALL DA WAY THROUGH!


>Hentai/Ecchi
>Story
>Exposition > Rising action > Climax > Falling action > Resolution
> Hurr Hurr Hurr

 
03-08-13, 3:14 PM

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Jauregui said:
Haven't watched it but some say that Kite have a pretty decent story.

http://myanimelist.net/anime/320/Kite


That's what I would've said as well. Kite and Mezzo Forte are the only hentais (if you can call them that) that I've seen that have anything resembling a plot and characters.

Just curious OP, but why are you critiquing the merits of Bible Black off of the dub? I mean, it's not like your typical imported anime where they actually hire "professional" voice actors to perform the dubs. Can you imagine someone like Crispin Freeman or Kari Wahlgren doing the Bible Black dub? I can't. lol

Although, I will agree with you. The Bible Black dub is one of the funniest things I've heard since Garzey's Wing dub.
 
03-08-13, 3:15 PM

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TookMe6Years said:
Paul said:
SquadmemberRitsu said:
Depends on your definition of deep (Hur Hur Hur)


Penetration depth! ALL DA WAY THROUGH!


>Hentai/Ecchi
>Story
>Exposition > Rising action > Climax > Falling action > Resolution
> Hurr Hurr Hurr



I find hentai likes to solve all its problems in the last few minutes after the last rape scene climax of the last episode so I think the right side of the hill should be a straight horizontal line down from climax to denouement.

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03-08-13, 3:25 PM

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Downgrade355 said:
half the eroges are like that, the rest is fap material.


If we put eroge in this discussion, then without doubt good story does exist in hentai.
 
03-08-13, 3:37 PM

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azzuRe said:
Downgrade355 said:
half the eroges are like that, the rest is fap material.


If we put eroge in this discussion, then without doubt good story does exist in hentai.
Shit, of course. Someone mentioned Fate/Stay Night (Heaven's Feel) earlier. It's no wonder I keep begging for its anime adaptation.
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azzuRe said:
Downgrade355 said:
half the eroges are like that, the rest is fap material.


If we put eroge in this discussion, then without doubt good story does exist in hentai.


This. Heaps, even just looking at the translated ones. I assume he specifically meant 'anime' versions of such things..
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03-08-13, 3:39 PM

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miereneronaile said:
azzuRe said:
Downgrade355 said:
half the eroges are like that, the rest is fap material.


If we put eroge in this discussion, then without doubt good story does exist in hentai.


This. Heaps, even just looking at the translated ones. I assume he specifically meant 'anime' versions of such things..


I think if we added eroges, or even manga, then this thread would be pointless as the answer to the poll would be "Yes, there are tons."

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03-08-13, 3:41 PM

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The Monogatri series is echii. I mean it's probably not labeled echii as a genre but comon, there are some pretty sexy scenes.
 
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- make a very well thought out action/adventure anime
- turn all fight scenes into hentai scenes
???
- profit
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Ghostony said:
- make a very well thought out action/adventure anime
- turn all fight scenes into hentai scenes
???
- profit


F-Force and Words Worth do something like that.

Though can't say it's a good thing that I knew that off the top of head,

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Ghostony said:
- make a very well thought out action/adventure anime
- turn all fight scenes into hentai scenes
???
- profit


I see that lots of time. Look at these lines!

Commentor A: He is using that!
Commentor B: Impossible! Could it be!
Commentor C: *groan* *power-up*
Commentor A: It's! It's! It's!
Commentor B: We must get out of there NOW!!!!!!!
Commentor C: HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

And you get the rest.
 
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Ghostony said:
- make a very well thought out action/adventure anime
- turn all fight scenes into hentai scenes
???
- profit
Just have the male protagonist's most hated archenemy be a hot girl. Then when they duke it out in the climactic battle, they get busy. Then, she turns into the main love interest.

It probably sounds better in my head than it does here, but I'd love to see this.
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gamer2710 said:
Ghostony said:
- make a very well thought out action/adventure anime
- turn all fight scenes into hentai scenes
???
- profit
Just have the male protagonist's most hated archenemy be a hot girl. Then when they duke it out in the climactic battle, they get busy. Then, she turns into the main love interest.

It probably sounds better in my head than it does here, but I'd love to see this.


I've read a doujinshi of Maoyuu like that.
 
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Litrydow said:
gamer2710 said:
Ghostony said:
- make a very well thought out action/adventure anime
- turn all fight scenes into hentai scenes
???
- profit
Just have the male protagonist's most hated archenemy be a hot girl. Then when they duke it out in the climactic battle, they get busy. Then, she turns into the main love interest.

It probably sounds better in my head than it does here, but I'd love to see this.


I've read a doujinshi of Maoyuu like that.
Y'know, when I got to a certain point in the first episode, I thought the show would end up as I had described. But then, she's not really an "archenemy," just a noname, airheaded leader of demonkind.

When I say archenemy, I mean a person that is the polar opposite of the protagonist, against all that the protagonist stands for. The person may even have an extensive, personal history with said protagonist.
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03-08-13, 5:11 PM

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On topic.... Ecchi with a good story line? Probably...

 
03-08-13, 6:20 PM

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Kimi ga Nozumu Eien wasn't that bad. Had a pretty okay story.

 
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Jauregui said:
Haven't watched it but some say that Kite have a pretty decent story.

http://myanimelist.net/anime/320/Kite


Just look at that .. at least it isn't about a house of women and some 50 year old guy.

+1 sir.
 
03-08-13, 7:02 PM

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Cigarette said:
I don't think so, no. Porn, animated porn, they both serve the same purpose and concepts. To induce pleasure and sexual enjoyment/stimulation through simply viewing it. I mean, who the hell watches porn for the story anyways?

The story still helps on your fetishes if that's your intention in the moment. I must say I'm one of those that care about the story, not all times though.
 
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tormented210 said:
Cigarette said:

The story still helps on your fetishes if that's your intention in the moment. I must say I'm one of those that care about the story, not all times though.
If you consider a plot that reinforces your fetishes in a hentai to be 'deep' and or 'philosophical', then by all means be my guest. Regardless though, it still holds the same concept. Either you fap or not.
 
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Cigarette said:
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Cigarette said:

The story still helps on your fetishes if that's your intention in the moment. I must say I'm one of those that care about the story, not all times though.
If you consider a plot that reinforces your fetishes in a hentai to be 'deep' and or 'philosophical', then by all means be my guest. Regardless though, it still holds the same concept. Either you fap or not.

Of course if you're watching it it's for fapping purposes not for story inspiration nor it has the concept of such. Was not paying attention to your comment at all, like you said it's contents is always for sexual enjoyment, didn't payed attention to that detail. Consider my reply useless.
 
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tormented210 said:
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Of course if you're watching it it's for fapping purposes not for story inspiration nor it has the concept of such. Was not paying attention to your comment at all, like you said it's contents is always for sexual enjoyment, didn't payed attention to that detail. Consider my reply useless.
Wait, what? I'm confused now. I'm unaware whether you're being sarcastic or not but if you're being 100% serious then this just means we've actually solved a misunderstanding on the internet without rampant stupidity and ignorance. Anyways, I wouldn't be as harsh to disregard your reply like that as we managed to solve it successfully.
 
03-08-13, 8:47 PM

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People watch hentai to fap....so no. Ecchi is a possibility though, but that's what people who can't handle hentai fap to....so I would say no.
 
03-08-13, 8:55 PM

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Probably not, but if there ever was one I would watch it.

Edit: Does Katawa Shoujo count? That was one awesome visual novel.
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Bathos said:
It's called Fate/Stay Night.

Heaven's Feel route, specifically.


Yeah, basically this.

This route has a good romance and some interesting conflict of ideals thanks to the previous routes but... the previous routes had sex scenes because Nasy wanted his works selling, but in this route they were always horny and fucking like rabbits.

I actually find ones quite hard to find actually. Echi or Hentai is almost thrown to the comedy purposes by the sex idea itself.

For now, just pick your favorite book and make fanarts about what they would do when they're in bed, and there you go.

 
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Cigarette said:
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Cigarette said:
tormented210 said:
Cigarette said:


Of course if you're watching it it's for fapping purposes not for story inspiration nor it has the concept of such. Was not paying attention to your comment at all, like you said it's contents is always for sexual enjoyment, didn't payed attention to that detail. Consider my reply useless.
Wait, what? I'm confused now. I'm unaware whether you're being sarcastic or not but if you're being 100% serious then this just means we've actually solved a misunderstanding on the internet without rampant stupidity and ignorance. Anyways, I wouldn't be as harsh to disregard your reply like that as we managed to solve it successfully.

Let it serve as example then to whoever reads it.
 
03-09-13, 1:20 AM

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I think there is a real reason why you rarely find a deep and compelling story in hentai.

The reason why is because generally speaking, most people aren't looking for something deep when they watch it. When most people watch a hentai, they want to watch something simple and will get them sexually aroused. When you try and add a deep and complex plot, it might cause a lot of people who are watching for the porn to get turned off by it. I find that most people that want to fap don't really want to think while they are at it.

There is one thing I would like to see hentai do though and I rarely see it done. I would like to see a compelling love story in a hentai. Something along the lines of a Clannad or an ef-a tale of memories. Maybe not be so heavy on the drama as those per se, but still make a competent love story. Most hentai I've ever seen are rather shallow with its love stories or have no character building whatsoever. Then again, it takes time to build character and unfortunately hentai only have about 2-4 episodes to work with. Most hentai companies just don't have the budget to make a 12 or 13 episode long series.
 
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I doubt it. Most people just watch them to fap and don't pay attention to any thing else except boobs.
 
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Let's just say, hentai is incompatible with those subjects, sex with explicit penetration is originally seen as something naughty or even violent not pure, let's just imagine toradora or chuunibyou with a sex scene in the end, how turned off it could get? All the pure romance ruined by your favorite characters being penetrated. At least I would be disappointed... Or maybe not... Aaaaaah I'm not getting it right now! You guys...
But wait, an ecchi genre could do the trick for sure though! High school of the dead for example? Well I give up! Let's stick with the normal routine before I get mind fucked by those deep plot hentai you guys invented.
 
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I thought One: True Stories had a reasonably good and even sad story. It gave off a similar feeling as Air/Kanon/Clannad, and its source game was in fact created by staff who went on to found KEY. The actual sex scenes are minimal and tame/vanilla, so it doesn't have much hentai/fap value.

As far as all-ages anime go, Touka Gettan has some very nice and sensual scenes, and no shortage of attractive female characters (plus one occasional trap). I don't know how deep SRSDeep lovers would consider its plot, but its reverse chronological structure will certainly tax your brain.

Most people just watch them to fap and don't pay attention to any thing else except boobs.
Hey now, some people pay attention to butts, legs, or other regions.

All the pure romance ruined by your favorite characters being penetrated.
Yet fans of those kinds of shows don't hesitate to create and consume hentai fan-art and doujinshi featuring just that, as well as far more depraved acts. Though those same otaku will raise holy hell if characters do have canonical, consensual sex in the actual anime/manga/LNs. To wit:

* Actual Kannagi manga mentioning Nagi having an ex-boyfriend sometime in her past (thus implying that she may have possibly had sex with him) = bad, awful, mai waifu has been defiled, must destroy character goods (then regret it and buy them again)

Kannagi ero-doujinshi featuring
= A-Okay, fapfapfap, must wait hours in line to buy same doujinshi artist's next Kannagi work at Comiket.

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03-09-13, 4:43 AM

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In hentai there are other things that are supposed to be "deep", not the story.
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tormented210 said:
Let's just say, hentai is incompatible with those subjects, sex with explicit penetration is originally seen as something naughty or even violent not pure, let's just imagine toradora or chuunibyou with a sex scene in the end, how turned off it could get? All the pure romance ruined by your favorite characters being penetrated. At least I would be disappointed... Or maybe not... Aaaaaah I'm not getting it right now! You guys...
But wait, an ecchi genre could do the trick for sure though! High school of the dead for example? Well I give up! Let's stick with the normal routine before I get mind fucked by those deep plot hentai you guys invented.


That's not necessarily true. In ef-a tale of memories,
 
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What are you talking about.
Nothing goes "deeper" than hentai anime.
 
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