Downgrade355 said: While Magi is a mainstream shounen it is also one of the shounen titles that are popular with female demography, and it is also popular with fujoshi too. The thing is, for fujoshi, it does not always need a clear BL vibe for them to latch onto a title. From what I see, quite often they only need a bit of material, perhaps too subtle to many other fans, to get them to love the title for fujoshi enjoyment purpose. This is what happened to anime like MacrossF for example. Fujoshi do not always need strong BL vibe precisely because anime with such vibe are way too limited in number.I know what you're trying to say with the whole "impact" thing, but we all know that Magi is a mainstream Shounen and it has nothing of "that" sort, if it was something like Kuroshitsuji, which was a Shounen and also had those kind of BL vibes then that would be another story, but stuff like Kuroshitsuji only comes once every decade (not literally). |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| @symbv Yeah, but they're still a small niche group, albeit a vocal one, and these people who throw those comment around make it seem as if these titles were made specifically for them, that's what irks me, (but if it's a joke as you said then once again i apologize, though i don't find them funny) and as i explained to jmal before, most of those people come to such conclusions when they come across a fanart or something, and basing opinions on them is just ridiculous to be honest. |
| @jmal So what you're trying to tell me, is that those who buy a certain anime are those really really like it? I see, but i never said otherwise, i just said that while it's true, there are casual fans who're willing to spend their money on stuff, they don't necessarily have to be obsessed with it or anything. I didn't literally mean they're "insane idiots", but those comments and those conclusions and how they came to them is what's really insane, i already explained to you how in my earlier post, and trust me, i shit you not, i didn't come up with that, i've seen it happen and i'm certain that's the mindset of most of those people. |
Downgrade355Mar 5, 2013 11:32 AM
Downgrade355 said: Small maybe, but I just think it is better we not underestimate their consuming power. We just don't know how much extra contribution fujoshi can do for a popular series (to the general anime fandom that is) from KuroBas to Magi to MacrossF. But I understand your concern, that kind of post can cause unwelcome misunderstanding to any uninformed person who came to this forum and got the idea that Magi is mainly supported by fujoshi (even though that post can be, and should be, interpreted differently).Yeah, but they're still a small niche group, albeit a vocal one |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| @jmal That depends on the popularity of the series though and how wide the audience it targets. No, that doesn't mean they're wrong or crazy, but for the most part they are wrong, or rather, "ignorant", by jumping to a senseless conclusion. Yeah i get what you're trying to say, i also think there's no need for you to repeat yourself, i get it. @symbv You put it well, at last you understand what i'm trying to say lol. thank you for this reasonable discussion. |
| Even if Magi sold over 6k, this sales slump opens the door for something else to potentially take a spot in the top 4 of autumn. TLR:D and LB getting 9.9k and 9.7k respectively in volume 3 - 50% more than even a good estimate of Magi's total sales - only serve to demonstrate just how big that drop is. After all, Magi started out with a third more sales than either. And the winter stuff starts making an appearance. I haven't been following winter anywhere near as closely as I followed autumn, probably because in my opinion it isn't such a good season. But nonetheless it will be interesting to see how things do. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
kuuderes_shadow said: Even if Magi sold over 6k, this sales slump opens the door for something else to potentially take a spot in the top 4 of autumn. TLR:D and LB getting 9.9k and 9.7k respectively in volume 3 - 50% more than even a good estimate of Magi's total sales - only serve to demonstrate just how big that drop is. After all, Magi started out with a third more sales than either. I'd think LB would have a minor advantage there, since its final volume has a BD only episode, while I don't believe TLR has anything to really boost its sales down the line. |
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| *4, 3,904 *,*18,433 Kuroko no Basket vol.8 GO KUROKO \o/\o/\o/ |
| Little Busters bonus disc is mail in only, total pain in the butt. Ninth volume has mail in form, attach previous eight proofs of purchase and ¥800 money order ONLY for shipping and handling within a month after the August 28th release date of volume nine... Reminds me of the old cereal box tops offers... |
| those top 4 are the worst ever |
BigSimo said: those top 4 are the worst ever Definitely, the worst four anime to ever be made. |
| To Love-ru Darkness seems to be doing better than expected. I would like to see a two-cours season of the sequel to the TLRD anime but considering where the manga is that looks unlikely. |
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| Great! My Girls und Panzer is pacing quite well. |
| "I left everything I own in One Piece" ~ Gol D. Roger |
| Once again......May Panzers rule the rankings :) 28k~ Niceee |
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| *1, 6,734 *,*29,871 Ookami Kodomo no Ame to Yuki Hell yes. Made my day. |
| Yay Oda Nobuna No Yabou is up in there. ;s |
i love them harem,comedy,romance,ecchi's see me around give me some reccomendations ^^ |
BigSimo said: those top 4 are the worst ever Definitely. Good to see that Jojo is selling relatively well, at least. |
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| *4, 24,949 24,949 Sword Art Online vol.5 Limited Edition worth it .. great anime so far in year2012 =D |
| The fall of Magi. I hope this will be an example for other animation studios to learn: NEVER MESS WITH MANGA STORYLINE. |
 ~ IA- Aria on the Planetes ~ Vocaloid V3 voiced by LiA (Clannad Afterstory, Angel Beats! theme song singer) |
| *1, 6,734 *,*29,871 Ookami Kodomo no Ame to Yuki On my way to watch it soon |
| Top four of 2012 Fall season: Most likely we won't see Magi. If we count Gintama, I'd say it will get in. If we don't count it, then I'd agree with jmal that ToLoveRu Darkness has the edge. Besides the reason already stated by jmal, the fact that it is a 1-cour series (vs 2-cour for Little Busters or Magi) also gives it some advantage. And the other three are shoo-in: Girls und Panzer, Chuunibyou and JoJo ================= Top Four of the 2013 Winter season: Chihayafuru2 BD Box is now solicited and is keeping a top spot above all the other titles this season. Its cheaper price definitely is a factor here. So are we going to see it become one of the top for of the season? I think so far 3 titles seem to be quite likely to make it into top 4 (even though their rankings in recent 2 weeks have dropped): LoveLive, ViviPan and Haganai next. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| @jmal I also don't think Chihayafuru2 will make it to top4 but the poor performance this season combined with the cheaper price of the BD Box makes it an intriguing possibility. BD Box also has the advantage that it does not suffer from downward trend of sales when a new volume comes out. It would be really ironic to see the sequel make it to top4 while its first season was deemed a failure as far as sales is concerned (of course it was successful in other aspects which is why it got a 2nd season). |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| To anyone who's been following sales for a while... How is To Love-Ru Darkness doing compared to Motto? |
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shigeru212 said: Data from Japanese wiki for anime BD/DVD sales:To anyone who's been following sales for a while... How is To Love-Ru Darkness doing compared to Motto? ○もっと To LOVEる-とらぶる- 【全6巻】 Motto ToLoveRu 巻数 初動 2週計 発売日 BD(DVD) BD(DVD) 01巻 3,956(2,832) *,***(*,***) 10.11.24 ※合計 6,788枚 02巻 3,638(2,593) *,***(*,***) 10.12.22 ※合計 6,231枚 03巻 3,542(2,475) *,***(*,***) 11.01.26 ※合計 6,017枚 04巻 3,406(2,344) 3,705(2,723) 11.02.23 ※合計 6,428枚 05巻 3,242(2,201) 3,564(*,***) 11.04.06 ※合計 5,765枚 06巻 3,327(2,318) *,***(*,***) 11.05.27 ※合計 5,645枚 ○To LOVEる -とらぶる- ダークネス 【全6巻】 ToLoveRu Darkness 巻数 初動 2週計 累計 発売日 BD(DVD) BD(DVD) BD(DVD) 01巻 *8,286(*1,928) 10,054(**,***) 10,910(**,***) 12.12.21 ※合計 12,838枚 02巻 *8,485(*2,294) *9,004(**,***) **,***(**,***) 13.01.30 ※合計 11,298枚 03巻 *7,778(*2,144) **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) 13.02.27 ※合計 **,***枚 9922 04巻 **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) 13.03.27 ※合計 **,***枚 05巻 **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) 13.04.24 ※合計 **,***枚 06巻 **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) 13.05.29 ※合計 **,***枚 Clearly Darkness is doing far better than Motto, even though Motto itself was already deemed quite successful as a sequel. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
bippo said: I expect to see photos of Magi on "wagon sales heap" coming up soon in some of the Japanese anime or 2ch sites. It sure starts big discount really early, doesn't it?Went to Akiba today to buy some stuffs. Saw some Magi volume 3 discounted at 50% at some stores... Two fat guys are chuckling while taking some photos of the stash because it was in on a big black basket at the front of the store. Store girl inside also trying not to laugh at the scene. Funny and sad from some reason. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
bippo said: Went to Akiba today to buy some stuffs. Saw some Magi volume 3 discounted at 50% at some stores... Two fat guys are chuckling while taking some photos of the stash because it was in on a big black basket at the front of the store. Store girl inside also trying not to laugh at the scene. Funny and sad from some reason. Was that the DVD or BD? Just wow though... not even 2 weeks since release and it's already 50% off :O Fujoshi have really abandoned Magi. |
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Ejc said: Before another shitstorm comes up regarding the target consumers of Magi, let me stress that fujoshi is unlikely to form more than a minority of the potential buyers of the BD/DVD of Magi.Was that the DVD or BD? Just wow though... not even 2 weeks since release and it's already 50% off :O Fujoshi have really abandoned Magi. |
symbvMar 11, 2013 7:01 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: Before another shitstorm comes up regarding the target consumers of Magi, let me stress that fujoshi is unlikely to form more than a minority of the potential buyers of the BD/DVD of Magi. jmal said: "Fujoshi" very strictly defined, probably. Female otaku in general, not all that unlikely. Would be good if people who just mean "female anime fans" would say the latter instead. I more or less stopped using the word fujoshi a while ago because it's not worth the hassle of figuring out how each person who reads it will interpret it. Wow, just looked back a few pages... I should've did some back reading on this thread. I meant female fans in the context of Magi. Sorry to anyone who may read this thread and get offended with my use of 'fujoshi'. |
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| @jmal Very much so. Besides, I would even argue that even if we look only at "female anime fans" in general, it is not certain if the majority of the potential buyers of Magi are female. Outside of shoujo anime and BL/guy-harem anime most anime still have the majority of fans being male. So if there are fans who abandoned Magi, they are perhaps more males than females there. Thus even saying Magi not selling well because the female fans are abandoning can also cause misunderstanding, and thus unnecessary arguments. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: shigeru212 said: Data from Japanese wiki for anime BD/DVD sales:To anyone who's been following sales for a while... How is To Love-Ru Darkness doing compared to Motto? ○もっと To LOVEる-とらぶる- 【全6巻】 Motto ToLoveRu 巻数 初動 2週計 発売日 BD(DVD) BD(DVD) 01巻 3,956(2,832) *,***(*,***) 10.11.24 ※合計 6,788枚 02巻 3,638(2,593) *,***(*,***) 10.12.22 ※合計 6,231枚 03巻 3,542(2,475) *,***(*,***) 11.01.26 ※合計 6,017枚 04巻 3,406(2,344) 3,705(2,723) 11.02.23 ※合計 6,428枚 05巻 3,242(2,201) 3,564(*,***) 11.04.06 ※合計 5,765枚 06巻 3,327(2,318) *,***(*,***) 11.05.27 ※合計 5,645枚 ○To LOVEる -とらぶる- ダークネス 【全6巻】 ToLoveRu Darkness 巻数 初動 2週計 累計 発売日 BD(DVD) BD(DVD) BD(DVD) 01巻 *8,286(*1,928) 10,054(**,***) 10,910(**,***) 12.12.21 ※合計 12,838枚 02巻 *8,485(*2,294) *9,004(**,***) **,***(**,***) 13.01.30 ※合計 11,298枚 03巻 *7,778(*2,144) **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) 13.02.27 ※合計 **,***枚 9922 04巻 **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) 13.03.27 ※合計 **,***枚 05巻 **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) 13.04.24 ※合計 **,***枚 06巻 **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) **,***(**,***) 13.05.29 ※合計 **,***枚 Clearly Darkness is doing far better than Motto, even though Motto itself was already deemed quite successful as a sequel. I am glad to see that. To Love-Ru Darkness is one of my favorite shows. I am glad to see the franchise is gaining momentum. I feel a lot better about season 4 now and I felt pretty good about the prospect before. |
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symbv said: @jmal Very much so. Besides, I would even argue that even if we look only at "female anime fans" in general, it is not certain if the majority of the potential buyers of Magi are female. Outside of shoujo anime and BL/guy-harem anime most anime still have the majority of fans being male. So if there are fans who abandoned Magi, they are perhaps more males than females there. Thus even saying Magi not selling well because the female fans are abandoning can also cause misunderstanding, and thus unnecessary arguments. Whats next, Kuroko no Basket is mainly a male crowd buying it? Certain shows obviously aim more at one gender or the other, and Magi is one of those shows that women buy far more then men. |
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RyanSaotome said: You need to produce your evidence. The thing is, for most shounen manga, we know that it is mainly male demography who is buying it except for a few exceptions, and we know Kuroko no Basuke is one of the exceptions. There was one market research survey done in mid-2012 that investigated the gender composition buying various Shonen Jump manga, and Kuroko is the manga with the 4th highest proportion of female buyers (58.9%). So even Kuroko we have female making up around 50% more than male buyers -- whether it fits your definition of "buy far more" I am not sure, but if you are telling me that for Magi women "buy far more than" men, I would like to see some evidence of it and see how it compares to Kuroko.Whats next, Kuroko no Basket is mainly a male crowd buying it? Certain shows obviously aim more at one gender or the other, and Magi is one of those shows that women buy far more then men. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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