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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Oh wow, I loved the music of the latest episode. The sky of rainfall. Seems to me like the queerrats has no chance against that guy especially when he demonstrates his powers. I am also very glad that someone made a badass debut this episode. Looks kinda yandere to me. The 'fight' was wow, just one sided. Oh dear: |
Stark700Feb 22, 2013 9:27 AM
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kpk10 said: Obviously... that kid wasn't Maria, it was her son (it's a boy). Unless you somehow think she managed to make herself younger... Oh really? I thought it was her for a second. Well, I guess the fact that the cloak wasn't taken off in this episode confused me a little. |
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| If you haven't put 2 and 2 together. Robber fly colony promised the bones of the two escapees, Mamoru and Maria. But they said it would take time. Essentially they needed time for Maria and Mamoru to mate and have a child. I'm pretty sure that Squealer sweet talked them into staying with them. When the child was born shortly thereafter, they eliminated the two and gave the bones to the ethics committee as proof. The little brat was brought up to be the perfect killing machine. He was nursed outside of human control so all the mental barriers placed on the humans with the rituals doesn't apply to him. He is pretty much Squealer's nuclear weapon against the humans. Edit: Also, I noticed a lot of people are asking why don't they just take the "death feedback" and kill the fiend. You need to go back to episode 4 about 9:50 to get your answer. it's explained in great detail and you will realize why it's not possible. I haven't found out why "fiends" are immune to death feedback. I re-watched "Tomiko's explanation" episode 12. It doesn't REALLY say what is different from a fiend or a regular cantus user. This episode really showed how arrogant and naive the community had become. The Queerats had this attack so thoroughly planned out. One fiend causing havoc allowed the Queerats to literally run around and take what they wanted, more children to be turned into weapons in the future. The community was sure of their Cantus with regards to Queerats they never thought of them as a real threat. You finally realize why Narrative Saki wished Maria had never been born. I'm sure she still loved her as she made the comment. But the horror the little brat of hers caused to the community was enough to understand why she said it. |
CirrisFeb 22, 2013 10:41 PM
| The whole episode gave me chills... It keeps getting better and better! |
| i thought it was maria until it opened its mouth. that animalistic growl. figured they wouldve raised it outside human influence to kill. but holy fuckkkkkkkk that fucking rat. i hope it dies. anyone noticed throughout the series that saki narrates at times? im thinking that satoru dies sometime later if only she narrates. |
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| When I first saw the fiend, I did notice it looked like both Maria and Mamoru. Can't believe it was their child. Squealer is incredibly smart and sly. Can't wait til I see the how they end this series |
| Seeing this fiend walking my heart started racing, I knew what he was going to do I didn't think expect Shisei to die so easily either Also FUCKING YAKOMARU Smartass mofo |
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| Wow, so that's Yakomaru's plan. It's not exactly what I expected but it's close :) Amazing episode as the chaos ensues everywhere. |
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sung_moon said: what gets me the most is why didn't anyone just risk getting death feedback to take out the kid? it would be a kamikaze effort but if you were going to get killed anyway, why not try bringing the enemy down with you? That's what im saying. But i guess it can't be helped, we're humans and we value life (our own lives) more than others. thats why they're all so terrified right before they die. Not like thats a bad way of thinking tho. After death what is there? Who knows. Death is the final door as far as we know. Might not be worth killing yourself if theres even the slightest chance u might make it. |
| I thought it was Maria... but the body looks so young so the fiend being the child is true. And the start of Yakomaru's conquest. I can't wait to see how they will stop Yakomaru and the fiends. |
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Cirris said: If you haven't put 2 and 2 together. Robber fly colony promised the bones of the two escapees, Mamoru and Maria. But they said it would take time. Essentially they needed time for Maria and Mamoru to mate and have a child. I'm pretty sure that Squealer sweet talked them into staying with them. When the child was born shortly thereafter, they eliminated the two and gave the bones to the ethics committee as proof. The little brat was brought up to be the perfect killing machine. He was nursed outside of human control so all the mental barriers placed on the humans with the rituals doesn't apply to him. He is pretty much Squealer's nuclear weapon against the humans. And now I'm dead inside |
| All these bitches. |
| Looks like Yakomaru isn't gonna stop at liberation. Dirty bastard. |
| "whats so special about bonzai trees?" "They are the loli of the tree world."  Inganock of the Brightest Flame |
| first 7 min of this show only two word were utter from my mouth those words "Oh shit" so many deaths. so that slimy basted was behind it all along poor maria and that other dude. holy shit. as they say, its the children that suffer more from war then anyone else. |
| When the fiend first started to appear I just keep think "Maria or her child?".Then they showed the fiend's face and I thought it was Maria at first so I was all hyped & over joyed. Then midway through Satoru mentioned it was Maria's kid and I kind of felt dumb but whatever I didn't care cause this episode was fucking awesome. From what we saw in the preview Kiroumaru is locked up somewhere by the Robber Fly colony and Saki & Satoru are going to find another Minoshiro.And are probably going to learn some way to kill the fiend without death feedback being an issue. After the last few episodes I was thinking of add Shinsekai yori to my favorite anime list but couldn't make up my mind but after this episode,done. Don't know what to except next,can't wait till next week's episode.I can't believe we only have 4 episode left in 4 weeks I be so upset T_T. |
| THAT FUCKING PLOT TWIST. OH MY GOD. EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE. MAMORU AND MARIA'S CHILD. MAMORU AND MARIA'S BONES. YAKOMARU KILLED THEM. OH MY GOD. HOW THE HELL IS THIS GONNA END?! |
| That was epic! And nxt one looks to be as good. Too bad Shisei died...he was BA. Yakomaru's plan is so good. That bastard is freaking smart XD I wonder when they'll remember Shun? |
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| That fiend. His growling is like pretty beast-like and omg the way Shisei died. His body bending all weirdly was equivalent to what happened in Psycho Pass. Just...grotesque. I like how you don't really see much blood or anything in this anime, mostly just scared faces or silhouettes of queerats and humans dying, but it still gives me the chills. Ugh. Yakomaru is just despicable. I realize it is unfair for the bakenezumi to be treated horribly even if they are intelligent creatures (actually I swear there are only some smart ones...I mean the rest look like little mole rats), but it still doesn't justify him going around and killing all the humans in the village. Or more precisely, to have a fiend going around and killing everyone. I wonder how that fiend can be controlled. Sure Yakomaru raised it, but I thought like Shun, fiends can't control what they do. One thought can leak out his powers and kill someone. Shun still had his mind when he died, yet he couldn't control his power and ended up killing his everyone in his town. I hope that fiend kills Yakomaru in the end. |
tingy said: That fiend. His growling is like pretty beast-like and omg the way Shisei died. His body bending all weirdly was equivalent to what happened in Psycho Pass. Just...grotesque. I like how you don't really see much blood or anything in this anime, mostly just scared faces or silhouettes of queerats and humans dying, but it still gives me the chills. Ugh. Yakomaru is just despicable. I realize it is unfair for the bakenezumi to be treated horribly even if they are intelligent creatures (actually I swear there are only some smart ones...I mean the rest look like little mole rats), but it still doesn't justify him going around and killing all the humans in the village. Or more precisely, to have a fiend going around and killing everyone. I wonder how that fiend can be controlled. Sure Yakomaru raised it, but I thought like Shun, fiends can't control what they do. One thought can leak out his powers and kill someone. Shun still had his mind when he died, yet he couldn't control his power and ended up killing his everyone in his town. I hope that fiend kills Yakomaru in the end. Shun is karma demon which have uncontrollable leaking cantus , Maria's child and boy K are Fiend which have mental break down. Re-watch the early episodes the adult educated children about these two types. |
joshua_maiFeb 22, 2013 10:45 PM
| It's been pretty obvious for a while that the fiend was the child Maria and 'guy who no one really cares about'. What left me speachless at the end of this was the scale of squealers plan! He wants to ERADICATE humanity, and by god he has a pretty good chance of doing it! All it needs is for a few quearrats with human babies to get away and the whole cycle repeats in 10 years time! A truly evil plan! |
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joshua_mai said: Shun is karma demon which have uncontrollable leaking cantus , Maria's child and boy K are Fiend which have mental break down. Re-watch the early episodes they educated children about these two types of threads. Personally I don't think the child is technically a fiend. What I think is that by being raised by queer-rats he simply doesn't see himself as human, and so would only have the feedback triggered if he kills a queer-rat. Remember in one of the earlier episodes when the monk's death feedback is triggered when he sees an image of a human dying by his hands. It's the fact that he identified the image as human that was the problem, not the fact he actually killed a human. If the queer-rat raised child doesn't see itself as human then the death feedback will not happen. |
scruffykiwiFeb 22, 2013 10:49 PM
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| So out of curiosity does the death feedback and inhibition only stop people from killing or hurting other people using their cantus? Is it not out of the question for someone to shoot the Fiend with a gun? They should have saved a few pieces of advance technology for times like this. Maybe the fiend's cantus provides a constant barrier to bullets. |
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RediceRyan said: So out of curiosity does the death feedback and inhibition only stop people from killing or hurting other people using their cantus? Is it not out of the question for someone to shoot the Fiend with a gun? They should have saved a few pieces of advance technology for times like this. Maybe the fiend's cantus provides a constant barrier to bullets. It seems like that is the case. In the previous fiend case the doctor knowingly administered a fatal injection. |
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| Holy fuck. The scene with Mamoria(that's what I'm calling him) walking towards Shisei through the crowd..if you weren't on the edge of your seat youre lying. He is just creepy as fuck..at this rate you'd think the only think that could stop him would be a karma demon, or an actual fiend, but I feel like with the way they depicted Shun's leakage a karma demon would might be able to suppress their leakage, or at least briefly control it like Shun did, to kill Mamoria. A real fiend would probably just go around fuckin shit up with him. |
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| Man, I keep asking myself, how the hell are they gonna kill that thing? Maybe someone should take the Quearrat's shotgun and shoot the fiend in the head. |
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RediceRyan said: So out of curiosity does the death feedback and inhibition only stop people from killing or hurting other people using their cantus? Is it not out of the question for someone to shoot the Fiend with a gun? They should have saved a few pieces of advance technology for times like this. Maybe the fiend's cantus provides a constant barrier to bullets. Cantus shields arent automatic, they have to be activated by thought. Thats how the queerats can kill humans by sneak attacks and how the 3 warriors were able to kill the Emperor of Merciful Light with swords. Speaking of which I wonder what happened to the non-cantus humans, we know that they existed after the war and was instrumental in destroying the slave empires. |
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| This show, epic. We finally get to see who this Fiend really is, not as a big surprise, it is the offspring of Maria and Mamorou. That slime of a living being Yakamorou had us all on his pawn. I hope he gets really painful death in this show, otherwise not justice will be served! Glad to see Satorou live and kicking again, was kinda worried when he absent of most of the previous episode. Now back to the Fiend, seeing it being the Queerats nuclear weapon against the Human and it killing one of my favorite characters Shisei. Sure left a sour taste in my mouth, if the Fiend is dealt with accordingly, some table flips will occur! Seeing Yakamorou's plan being the World Conquest, I just can't help the feeling that the human race is in a big trouble, especially when they doesn't have the means to defend against themselves from a Fiend, and the numbers won't be helping them either. How will this epic shit end? Can't wait for the last 4 episodes now! Now from the preview, we see an old friend chained in a cave apparently, and I hope he can help our couple with what they need and somehow stop this chaos once and for all! 5/5 |
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| Squealer is a genius! Taking babies and make them into fiends 10 years later. The rest of the world, are they build the same way as Japanese society? Brainwashing the children etc... if so, human is doom! The death feedback is so lame, is there any hypnotic method of removing it? Here I thought Shisei does not have the death feedback, but it looks like it was untrue... Shisei crazy eyes are pretty much useless and I love the flashback of Shun. Save everyone Shun!!!!!!!! Regarding how everyone does not sacrifice themselves to kill the fiend. I can relate, I am not brave. |
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eminagnam said: Wow I didn't imagine that fiend was a child of Maria and Mamoru. And it's female, not male. I wonder why Saki knew the fiend's name Ria. Had she met her before? Did the anime skip some stories of LN? Yakomaru is very clever. His plan is awesome. He makes human children kill humans? Wise move. Even that mask guy failed to strike the fiend. Humans are hopeless. She was saying Maria because of the resemblance.... |
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| Soo what happened to Maria and Mamoru?? Did they die or what? |
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| Soo what happened to Maria and Mamoru?? Did they die or what? |
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mootjuh said: I'm happy that fiend isn't Maria, someone has so slap that kid and tell him to come to his senses already! Even if he is raised by queerats. You want the kid to kill the only family he has ever known? |
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scruffykiwi said: RediceRyan said: So out of curiosity does the death feedback and inhibition only stop people from killing or hurting other people using their cantus? Is it not out of the question for someone to shoot the Fiend with a gun? They should have saved a few pieces of advance technology for times like this. Maybe the fiend's cantus provides a constant barrier to bullets. It seems like that is the case. In the previous fiend case the doctor knowingly administered a fatal injection. The doctor got around the death feed back I think. Remember? The fiend just walked into the hospital saying he was sick. The doctor hatches a plan and asks the nurse to prepare some antibiotics. The nurse who understood the plan was playing along and actually brings poison. So the doctor cleverly pretends to inject the fiend with antibiotics when it's actually poison, and the nurse wasn't affect by death feedback either because she wasn't the one holding the needle. Though, it didn't really matter in the end since the fiend killed the doctor anyways. Tomiko said they were extraordinarily lucky last time. Had Boy K not gotten sick and walk into that hospital, he would've went on forever. |
IronLobsterFeb 23, 2013 2:05 AM
| "whats so special about bonzai trees?" "They are the loli of the tree world." Inganock of the Brightest Flame |
| Why not do something that causes something else that will indirectly kill Fiendy? Kiroumaru was captured by bakenezumi or humans who are afraid he will betray them? Shuisei should have taken that brat with him. RIP he is awesome still. |
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