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Feb 21, 2013 4:56 PM

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Lryuzaki said:


Dang what the heck is wrong his nose?
 
Feb 21, 2013 4:56 PM

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I don't want to sound cynical, because I like this show and think it's put together pretty soundly. There have been some goofy scenes from time to time, but I think some of us are blowing things a little bit out of proportion. That being said, I still have to admit I've been wary of the visual quality myself since the second or third episode.

 
Feb 21, 2013 4:57 PM

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I won't watch this until they fixed this mess
 
Feb 21, 2013 5:01 PM

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Thankfully there wasn't any action this ep.

Quality was definitely spotty at times.
 
Feb 21, 2013 5:21 PM
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I won't watch this until they fixed this mess

It's not even that bad. Some of the faces are off-model, but it's certainly a watchable episode.
 
Feb 21, 2013 5:25 PM

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If he knew it was inferior before the release, then why did he release it?
That's like a chef knowing he's preparing a mediocre dish, but he serves it anyway. Apologizing to the customer is too little, too late when they've already eaten the crappy meal.
 
Feb 21, 2013 5:40 PM

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The content made up for the bad animation imho. At least the fact that they're redoing it shows they have some standards.
 
Feb 21, 2013 6:04 PM

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They should fix episode 17 too. Some faces in that looked horrendous.


now that you've mentioned it. yes it was horrible. but they made up with the story so it was forgivable.

anyways, as for episode 18, if they remain the quality of the plot then its forgivable. we've overlooked 17 so 18 would be fine...i guess
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Feb 21, 2013 6:16 PM

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at least it's still watchable and not as bad as Magi's latest episodes.
 
Feb 21, 2013 6:24 PM

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Didn't think the animation was all that terrible. Still, I definitely appreciate their acknowledgement about the quality. It shows they really care about the product.
 
Feb 21, 2013 6:48 PM

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Don't forget all of the points at which mouths moved too early or too late and no sound came out. See when Shinya was calling out how fishy the case was as well as when Masaoka was talking with Shinya towards the end of the episode.
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Feb 21, 2013 6:55 PM

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Waiting for the Blu-ray version is always an option. But I think the episode is watchable anyways.
 
Feb 21, 2013 7:00 PM

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They should apologize for all episodes.
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Feb 21, 2013 7:47 PM

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If he knew it was inferior before the release, then why did he release it?
That's like a chef knowing he's preparing a mediocre dish, but he serves it anyway. Apologizing to the customer is too little, too late when they've already eaten the crappy meal.
I guess you never know the pressure when your sponsors are breathing fire behind your neck. The TV channel has the time slot already prepared for the show and sponsors made the commitment for ads, and you told them you could not release anything. Using your example, a customer booked a dinner at a certain time and the time could not be changed without much inconvenience, and the chef found that for whatever reason (out of time etc) could not serve the food in a quality that is good in his view (and probably in customer's view too). What can the chef do?? Not serving anything is probably worse than at least serving something.

It took a lot of guts and courage to really hold back from airing anything at all. This is why a lot of fans are equally impressed and concerned with director Mizushima when he postponed the broadcast of Girls und Panzer. Fans are genuinely worried about the impact to his reputation (and the studio's) in the industry. And he might have his hands forced if the work was indeed far from complete, and he might be able to get away with it easier because GnP was the most popular show of the season so fans are willing to wait instead of dropping the show.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
 
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Feb 21, 2013 8:35 PM

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Wow, that's surprising.
 
Feb 21, 2013 9:42 PM

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Holy shit, I didn't think it was going to be that bad.
 
Feb 21, 2013 11:03 PM

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let face it make a romance or slice of life not the same at makeing 1st class action anime
you know i think it better to have same of the anime in bi-monthly to keep the qlty up
or make it first then show it
the weekle way of makeing anime killing it the time just so tie

no wonder there not mach action anime these days
 
Feb 21, 2013 11:05 PM

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In the scene where kougami sits down with pops, he comes in without his black jacket, magically has it on for a shot, and then off again.
 
Feb 21, 2013 11:20 PM

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Hahaha no.

Whenever I see that scene, it feels like I'm the one getting a hit to the head.
That's what I call a gift, from the authors to akane, it's not that she was able to do it because of her skills in combat or intelligence -which we keep hearing about since the beginning of the show but never see anything that proves it- , she did it because the authors wanted so. I'm pretty sure makashima could have dodged it but hey, if the authors want him to freeze and act surprised, he'll freeze and act surprised. Btw what's a single example supposed to prove?

You do realize that all of these characters do things because the author wants them to, right? They aren't real people, but characters that were written by the screenwriter for that episode.

Kind of a strange type of anthropomorphism, treating characters as if they have some kind of life outside of what the author writes for them. I guess it is a testament to how well written the characters are. If they seem that real to you, the author has done a good job.
 
Feb 21, 2013 11:21 PM

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Quality only got real bad at the very end there. Still an acceptable quality wasn't that big of a deal.

This is currently the only show I am truly looking forward to watching each week it is too bad it only has 4 more episodes.. I just hope it maintains this superb quality until the end.
 
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If he knew it was inferior before the release, then why did he release it?
That's like a chef knowing he's preparing a mediocre dish, but he serves it anyway. Apologizing to the customer is too little, too late when they've already eaten the crappy meal.

Because the show is in a time slot on a TV network. You don't have the luxury of saying, "No, we won't be putting out a show this week because there are four or five scenes where the art is off and a few problems with the animation. I guess you'll have to show something else in that half hour spot."

Many shows run into time crunches. I seem to recall reading that a recent anime movie was finished on the day it was released in theaters! (That wouldn't have been possible before digital projection!)
 
Feb 21, 2013 11:30 PM

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I'm so glad they are remaking it. The quality of this ep was absolutely depressing.
 
Feb 21, 2013 11:37 PM

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zensunni said:
Villetta_Nu said:
If he knew it was inferior before the release, then why did he release it?
That's like a chef knowing he's preparing a mediocre dish, but he serves it anyway. Apologizing to the customer is too little, too late when they've already eaten the crappy meal.

Because the show is in a time slot on a TV network. You don't have the luxury of saying, "No, we won't be putting out a show this week because there are four or five scenes where the art is off and a few problems with the animation. I guess you'll have to show something else in that half hour spot."

Many shows run into time crunches. I seem to recall reading that a recent anime movie was finished on the day it was released in theaters! (That wouldn't have been possible before digital projection!)


Also this isn't 1985 anymore people have bigger expectations of what they are gonna see when they watch an anime and even bigger expectations when they are gonna watch an anime movie/CG movie.

I think the anime industry is slowly collapsing in on itself. I read an article a long time ago about how manga artists have RIDICULOUS work hours and dont get paid enough and even then the finished project never truly is what they wanted due to budget cuts and whatever, this is only amplified when you try to animate something which requires a ton more effort than a manga not to mention a ton more money.

The question is now can you really justify spending all this money and effort creating a top notch anime like the past when your profits aren't guaranteed? This is why we get sooo many moeshit anime each every season there is always like 3 or more every season! Its cause they are cheaper to produce and still draw in an audience to some degree. There are some comparisons here to the video game industry. Nobody is willing to risk something new because the risk for loss is just too much.

Eventually though the consumer will get tired and you either innovate or your market slowly disappears. I wonder how many more years of Call of Duties and Elder Scroll copycats the consumers can take... And I wonder how many more K-Ons and Fairy Tails the consumer can take.. Only time will tell..
 
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Very disappointing. I've dropped the my rating down further because of this.

I already thought Psycho-Pass is subpar to other anime Urobuchi has done. Fate/Zero and Madoka Magica are so much better and Madoka is also an original (not an adaptation project) anime to boot!

The director should have seriously taken a 1 week hiatus to fix the quality like GaruPan did for episode 6, instead of thinking a subpar episode 18 was decent to even air.

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This is why we get sooo many moeshit anime each every season there is always like 3 or more every season! Its cause they are cheaper to produce and still draw in an audience to some degree.


Wow another moe hater... this is getting pretty old guys. So do you think KyoAni spends significantly less money to produce anime than other animation studios?
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Very disappointing. I've dropped the my rating down further because of this.

I already thought Psycho-Pass is subpar to other anime Urobuchi has done. Fate/Zero and Madoka Magica are so much better and Madoka is also an original (not an adaptation project) anime to boot!

The director should have seriously taken a 1 week hiatus to fix the quality like GaruPan did for episode 6, instead of thinking a subpar episode 18 was decent to even air.


I agree Fate/Zero was much better than Psycho Pass I wasn't really a fan of Madoka but I can see how people would be it is certainly better than say Sailor Moon or other shows in that same genre. And I actually did watch it all the way through.

But for what I have offered to me right now.. I would say Psycho Pass is the best currently airing anime. I mean what else do I have to turn too? Magi?(although I do find myself entertained by this), Naruto(hell no..), One Piece(like once a month I can stand this), that show about the psychics or whatever(I watch it sometimes its kinda interesting a little bit)..There is really nothing else out there currently that appeals to my interests.
 
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lobe said:

But for what I have offered to me right now.. I would say Psycho Pass is the best currently airing anime. I mean what else do I have to turn too? Magi?(although I do find myself entertained by this), Naruto(hell no..), One Piece(like once a month I can stand this), that show about the psychics or whatever(I watch it sometimes its kinda interesting a little bit)..There is really nothing else out there currently that appeals to my interests.


Try Love Live! I decided to get out of my bubble and try the first Moe exclusive show, and I was pleasantly surprised by it
 
Feb 22, 2013 12:11 AM

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But for what I have offered to me right now.. I would say Psycho Pass is the best currently airing anime. I mean what else do I have to turn too? Magi?(although I do find myself entertained by this), Naruto(hell no..), One Piece(like once a month I can stand this), that show about the psychics or whatever(I watch it sometimes its kinda interesting a little bit)..There is really nothing else out there currently that appeals to my interests.


I don't agree with Psycho-Pass being the best anime currently airing... but it's not the worst one indeed. That's the beauty of people having different tastes in anime. The world would be boring if everyone liked what you liked.

There are many anime currently airing this season. It's a wonder why you don't have many to look forward to when you restrict yourself to certain genres.

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This is why we get sooo many moeshit anime each every season there is always like 3 or more every season!


I respect your taste in anime but calling moe, "shit" is just plain disrespectful to people who actually like moe.
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O_O I'm so glad, I really thought the quality was going downhill! YAY!! :D x
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Ejc said:
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But for what I have offered to me right now.. I would say Psycho Pass is the best currently airing anime. I mean what else do I have to turn too? Magi?(although I do find myself entertained by this), Naruto(hell no..), One Piece(like once a month I can stand this), that show about the psychics or whatever(I watch it sometimes its kinda interesting a little bit)..There is really nothing else out there currently that appeals to my interests.


I don't agree with Psycho-Pass being the best anime currently airing... but it's not the worst one indeed. That's the beauty of people having different tastes in anime. The world would be boring if everyone liked what you liked.

There are many anime currently airing this season. It's a wonder why you don't have many to look forward to when you restrict yourself to certain genres.

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This is why we get sooo many moeshit anime each every season there is always like 3 or more every season!


I respect your taste in anime but calling moe, "shit" is just plain disrespectful to people who actually like moe.


Meh whatever you can like your moe. I will probably never like it, it makes me cringe every time.

Also there are only so many genres. There is only one or two shonan released a year on average that at least peaks my interest to some level. I at least try to give all the new shonans a chance when they come out. I wont watch anything with moe although a show that doesn't have its main premise focused around that I could give a chance an example of a show that incorporated some genres I generally don't like but still kept me interested is Steins Gate. But those types of shows are very far and inbetween.

There aren't very many Monsters or Fate/Zeros or Bakemono Gataris or Cowboy Bebops or Ghost in the Shells or Akiras released each year.. I love all those shows and they dont all necessarily fit the same genre and have all the same themes.
 
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lobe said:
Meh whatever you can like your moe. I will probably never like it, it makes me cringe every time.


That is fair enough. I don't specifically look for moe in every anime I watch. I've seen plenty that has no moe in it at all. I guess it's a bonus when an anime has some element of moe in it.

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Also there are only so many genres. There is only one or two shonan released a year on average that at least peaks my interest to some level. I at least try to give all the new shonans a chance when they come out. I wont watch anything with moe although a show that doesn't have its main premise focused around that I could give a chance an example of a show that incorporated some genres I generally don't like but still kept me interested is Steins Gate. But those types of shows are very far and inbetween.

There aren't very many Monsters or Fate/Zeros or Bakemono Gataris or Cowboy Bebops or Ghost in the Shells or Akiras released each year.. I love all those shows and they dont all necessarily fit the same genre and have all the same themes.


What is shonan btw? Yes, I already get that you don't like moe. It's good that you at least give an anime a chance even if it has the tiniest bit of moe in it and not the main central theme.

I also liked Steins;Gate, Fate/Zero, Bakemonogatari... but i've never seen Monster, Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell or Akira. Perhaps i'll give them a chance...
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at least it's still watchable and not as bad as Magi's latest episodes.


Magi's animation has been total piss since episode 1. Only reason I love it so much is the characters and setting. My score will probably drop once the anime ends and I read the manga.

Also Fairy Tail's has been shit a long while too, but that is kinda understandable since its a long running series and probably budget issues.

Well I finished this episode and I must say it was like watching the TV version of episode 5 from Reborn again.
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Ejc said:
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Meh whatever you can like your moe. I will probably never like it, it makes me cringe every time.


That is fair enough. I don't specifically look for moe in every anime I watch. I've seen plenty that has no moe in it at all. I guess it's a bonus when an anime has some element of moe in it.

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Also there are only so many genres. There is only one or two shonan released a year on average that at least peaks my interest to some level. I at least try to give all the new shonans a chance when they come out. I wont watch anything with moe although a show that doesn't have its main premise focused around that I could give a chance an example of a show that incorporated some genres I generally don't like but still kept me interested is Steins Gate. But those types of shows are very far and inbetween.

There aren't very many Monsters or Fate/Zeros or Bakemono Gataris or Cowboy Bebops or Ghost in the Shells or Akiras released each year.. I love all those shows and they dont all necessarily fit the same genre and have all the same themes.


What is shonan btw? Yes, I already get that you don't like moe. It's good that you at least give an anime a chance even if it has the tiniest bit of moe in it and not the main central theme.

I also liked Steins;Gate, Fate/Zero, Bakemonogatari... but i've never seen Monster, Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell or Akira. Perhaps i'll give them a chance...


Shonan is something like Naruto or Fairy Tail at least in my mind.

Where they are "action" anime but actually are more like comedy's and have like maybe 10-20 seconds of action in each episode if any at all and the rest is stall, Naruto's stall has gotten even worse than DBZ from what I hear. Whats the point in watching an anime for the action when it doesn't even have the action? I mean shonas storys are usually all pretty much the same. Big bad does something bad and then omnipotent hero goes and gets more and more powerful and destroys said big bad, there is usually some emo character in there, some sexy female usually about 16 but with the body of a 25 year old.. I could go on all day about the problems I have with shonan.

Also I just found a show that I took interest in gonna give it a shot called Mushiishi I heard about it a while ago but never got around to it and forgot about it. Looks kinda interesting, kinda like House of five leaves type feel or something from what I get from the description and I liked House of leaves.
 
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at least it's still watchable and not as bad as Magi's latest episodes.


Magi's animation has been total piss since episode 1. Only reason I love it so much is the characters and setting. My score will probably drop once the anime ends and I read the manga.

Also Fairy Tail's has been shit a long while too, but that is kinda understandable since its a long running series and probably budget issues.

Well I finished this episode and I must say it was like watching the TV version of episode 5 from Reborn again.


I disagree, the animation quality in Magi is alright I mean it could be a hell of a lot worse. Also the faces are pretty well drawn in Magi some of the best I have seen in a while at least from what I can remember.

Speaking of Hitman Reborn that show is probably in my top 20 worst shows ever made.
 
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All of the budget went into Makishima's bared legs in the last episode.


Seconded. His legs were looking really "expensive"...
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I wonder when will A-1 apologize for all the shit they've done.


They never will unfortunately. Don't know what they're half-assing Magi's animation, but they actually do a pretty dang good job with Uta no Prince. I don't even like reverse harems but I watched that because the animation was beautiful. I wonder why there's a such a big difference between Utapri and Magi (and even some parts of SAO had bad animation).

I'm glad that the director apologizes for it though, because it shows that he really cares about the quality and realizes it would disappoint the fans.
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at least it's still watchable and not as bad as Magi's latest episodes.


True dat.
 
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But for what I have offered to me right now.. I would say Psycho Pass is the best currently airing anime. I mean what else do I have to turn too? Magi?(although I do find myself entertained by this), Naruto(hell no..), One Piece(like once a month I can stand this), that show about the psychics or whatever(I watch it sometimes its kinda interesting a little bit)..There is really nothing else out there currently that appeals to my interests.
Do yourself a favor and start watching Space Brothers and Hunter x Hunter (2011). HxH is being animated by Madhouse, so the animation is pretty amazing so far (67 eps till now, consistent animation quality). Add to that a great source material..
Space Brothers is more mature without any school setting or teenagers, but it's still SoL and comedy, and pretty amazing at that.

Those are the 2 best anime that are airing currently, for me at least.

OT:
Good thing I put it on-hold before knowing that it's gonna have bad animation. (though I think it'd be acceptable if the plot of the episode is interesting)

Btw, do we have to wait for the BDs or is it gonna air soon with better animation? Any news of that yet?
 
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Yeah, I see now what he meant.
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Watching the art in the ep, then coming here and looking at the posts... gave me more laughs than most comedies XD
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I have seen way worst shitty stuff, moe is far more horrendous and anime is infested by it.



What the hell does moe have to do with this topic at all?


Thats just 9988s gimmick, he can't go a post without bashing moe in some way, even if its totally irrelevant to the topic.

 
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Why are people even comparing PP to Meguca or FZ? They're completely different genres.

Glad he said that, even if the episode wasn't unwatchable. PP is pretty hard to animate, compared to other animes, so I can even understand if, being put under pressure, they did a shitty job.
 
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heh i knew something was wrong....
 
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Yes, this episode was ugly but it didn't stop it from being one of the better in the series. Interactions between all characters were greater than ever before in PP.
 
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Why the hell are people talking about moe in this thread? If you hate it so much that you'd bring it up in a non-related anime/thread, go post about it in your blog.

Jeez.
Why would you say it's not-related? Moe elements were certainly hurt by poor quality of this episode . I want to see BD version
 
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Well after watching it i feel that it wasn't THAT bad, just in some specific parts. Let's hope the next episodes have better animation


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Why are people even comparing PP to Meguca or FZ? They're completely different genres.
Urobuchi created the plot of all three.

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I would say Psycho Pass is the best currently airing anime.
I'd say it isn't even top5 of this or last season. I doubt you would like most of my recommendations though. Probably only Chihayafuru and maybe Mondaiji. Oh, and Space Brothers obviously.

I'm surprised at some people in this thread. It looks like you only noticed problems with quality recently while they were there since the beginning.
 
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I would say Psycho Pass is the best currently airing anime.


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The Irony was that it did have Moe.
They only said that to appeal to people like you, a wise choice if it made them more money.
Say it doesn't have 'moe' and the 'moe'-haters will get interested in it, a genius idea if you think about it.


Um, no it didn't. Please don't kid yourself, moe isn't terrible because it's moe, moe is terrible because it conforms into a majority of which is simply cute girls doing cute things. It's about as fruitful as watching The Simpsons, except even less funny.

Yes it did, moe is a 'feeling' its a subjective.



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http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=503103

Read this before talking.




Great episode, shit animations/art. Buts its good that we got a notice of it, hope they fixed it.

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http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=503103

Read this before talking.
You are the one who needs to read a little more than title of thread you linked. It was forbidden to use word "moe" during meeting, nothing more. It doesn't mean there's no moe in Psycho-Pass. Actually, anyone who knows definition of the term should know it's hard, if not outright impossible to NOT have moe elements in the series as "moe" is just a subjective feeling. What's more, if you look at Psycho-Pass, you'll notice there's plenty of moe elements in this show. They're especially noticeable in Ginoza, Kougami, Kagari and Akane.

I'd advise you to read the whole thread you linked, paying particular attention to posts written by jmal and symbv.
 
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