| Yeah true. Flame Hazes just kill because they have grudges. Best Flame Haze in the story is probably Khamsin. |
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| To be honest, I don't even know what was everyone's motive except for Yuji's.... Storyline became so needlessly intricate because the authors tried too hard. |
| True, A lot of the flame hazes moved to the new world as well even the main cast xD Seemed like a lot of needless deaths happened in that last season so many died in vain. But in the end it was kind of like a real war where there isn't really bad guys or good guys the "Big bosses" just got into an argument and all the peons got pulled into it. |
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| The whole war was just a pointless slaughter fest just like most wars are. I thinks that was the idea of the writers (to show that war is bad duh) It was just done really well. In season 1 you start of with the assumption the Denizens were evil creatures that kill humans. And of course since Flame Hazes kill them you'd think they are the good guys. But as the series progresses you learn that Flame Hazes don't give a shit about protecting humans and they just want to kill all Denizens. All the way up to season 3 where all of the Flame Hazes start slaughtering Denizens in a 1 sided battle while all of Denizen leaders are off trying to make Xanadu. When Yuji/the leader states his ultimate plan for peace between the 2 races what do the Flame Hazes do? They keep fighting. It is true that some of them were hesitant but the leaders convinced them anyway. And again at the end when Xanadu is complete and all the Denizens think they can go live in peace those "Gods" decide to go there as well and "make sure everything is fine" So in conclusion both sides had people thinking they were doing the right thing and also had people who just wanted fighting and destruction. Thousands died for nothing and war goes no matter what Yuji tried to accomplish. |
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| As the poll clearly shows, there can be no mistaking who the Villains are in this twisted Show. Season 3 had the most pointless 20 episode fight ever. Anytime i hear someone complain about long fights in DBZ or whatever, i will point to this atrocity and say - Look here is an endless fight, that accomplished absolutely nothing, completely failed w/its loose definition of good vs evil, as the Flame Hazes were the True Villains, bloodthirsty and without a smidgen of reason for fighting besides for the sake of fighting, while the Tomogara had a legit plan and were perfectly reasonable. What's worse the battle is so 1 sided as to be criminal, with basically no Flame Hazes of import dying (like the Universally Despised Old Hag Nun Bitch), and a plethora of likable badass Tomogara dying (Eel Decarabia, Sarbac, Fecor etc etc). |
| There were NO real badguys in this series. Both sides were doing what they were created to do. Both the Flame Hazes and Denizens were mirrors of each others. The Denizens lived to fulfill their own desires and many of them consumed existence to do this. The flame Hazes were mostly created from the violence caused by the Denizens and with the sole exception of Shana all held grudges and did what they did out of revenge. Also their survival depended on them being hard. The one's who cared and loved others died young. To keep the balance they really had to steel their hearts. It was evident that Shana did not always like killing Denizens, especially the one she kept screaming shut up at because it just wanted to exist. Look at Hunter Friange. All he wanted to do was give his doll an independent life. That was his whole desire yet he was willing to wipe out a city to do it. His actions were evil but his purpose wasn't. Earth changed the Denizens. If you'll watch it all again you'll see that most of the so called bad denizens were somehow trying to mimic humans. One was trying to create a human body, one was trying to bring life to his doll. Most just wanted to fit in and be with the humans but they were also very callous towards those humans and would consume and kill them to be more like them. On the other hand you have the Flame Hazes who were created through violence. Their sole job is to protect the balance, not to save lives. They took their duties very seriously. They were fighting because Xanadu would NOT solve the problems. The problem was that Denizens would still be able to devour humans and use them. It would take something much bigger than paradise to change the hearts and minds of every Denizen. They kept fighting because they knew this. Also Xanadu would not stop Denizens from eventually coming back one day and not every denizen left Earth. It would have only been a temporary playground for the Deniznes and they feared that in time they would devour many of the humans there causing the imbalance to build up in the rift and that it's creation would only be a temporary band aid. So they fought to change that. Also it's hard to give up your only reason for existing. Imagine your whole life consumed by one single purpose then all of a sudden that purpose is meaningless. It's what they've know, it's all they've known. I think that many of them went to Xanadu not only to kind of guard the humans and police the Denizens but to also heal. To learn a new way and to make up for their sins by helping the Denizens. Most of them that went were the outcasts and rebels, the weirdo's, mainly the kind of people that are capable and willing to exist with the Denizens. I imagine it must be as hard on them knowing they've killed a lot of denizens as it is for the denizens knowing they've destroyed a lot of humans. The two sides are so much alike. And it wasn't the Snake's plan to create Xanadu the way he did. His plan was to create it without the extra bit that would stop Denizens from consuming humans but after the Oracle's speech the Denizens all wished to not be able to consume humans. They had come to love and respect mankind and wanted to live with them. Phele's and Johann's baby was a new beginning for all of them and in time I see many of them co-mingling with humans and creating a new race, a race forged on forgiveness, change and love. Both sides fought for what they believed were right. Neither side was willing to back down or to ask the other for help. This is why Yuji and Shana left. To help bridge that gap and to teach them the lessons they've learned. Shana forgave Yuji for everything because she loved him. That is the message that they want to share and together I believe they can do it. It's hard to let go of your hatred but in the end I think both sides were learning. The four God's were scary though. Their sole purpose seems to be to punish denizens and destroy them. Maybe that's why they're so reluctant to join sides? Their role isn't to protect but to condemn. No wonder they don't fight often. They were only killing denizens who had consumed humans or denizens who enjoyed consuming humans. It was harsh but Xanadu will be a better place for it. They destroyed most of the truly evil denizens so that they would never forget that there are consequences for your actions. They too went to Xanadu to keep an eye on the denizens but I also think they left for the same reason that Shana and Yuji did, to learn how to change and to find a new way. I don't think it will come easy for them but in time I think they'll get there. At some points I think those god's were driven half mad it not fully insane lol. Shana kept fighting for Yuji, she fought for love and wasn't fighting to stop him but to change things, just like he was. They need to learn to trust each other and to lean on each other. I don't think Yuji will make that same mistake. Love is so much stronger than hate and Shana just showed every single Flame Haze and Denizen that. Also the reason that Sydonay fell and died was because he loved Hecate. He didn't want to wait thousands of years for her to return and this way he'll get to be with her more often than not. I think in the end that he felt Xanadu had no place for old warriors like him. It should be a place for denizens and humans who want to change, a true paradise with no war. I think he also felt like Yuji and thought maybe he didn't deserve to go to paradise for all that he'd done. Either way his ending was still happy. Now he's with his Hecate. :) There was a reason for all the fighting. Both sides had their reasons and in the end I think both sides began to learn to trust and help each other. Out of all the so called badguys the one that surprised me the most was Bel Peol. In season two when Shana and Yuji defeated the big silver armor guy: Silver and ruined their plans, right after they had won and reunited as the place was blowing apart Shana and Yuji had said some things to each other, I don't remember what exactly but basically just sharing their feelings for each other and it showed Bel Peopl kind of smile and give a nod as she left the place. Like she approved of their love and was happy for them even though what they had done was against her plans. I never once saw her consume a single human and the only times she fought was for defense. I really thought at first that she was going to be a big villain but it turns out that she wasn't that bad at all. I feel that she was in love with the Snake of the Festival and was not only doing what she did so that they'd have Xanadu but was also doing it out of love for him and it seems like the Snake was very fond of her too. I would have loved to know more about her but she really surprised me. She didn't even enter the final battle in any way. I think out of most of the Denizens that she will be instrumental in helping them to all learn a new way. |
| Flame haze, the non-battle crazed ones anyway, protect the world order and stop the eventual collapse of the world into chaos due to the tomogara eating humans existence or at least this is my take on it. I do question the slaughter in the final episodes even though they couldn't exactly implement the plan without distracting the hordes, once it was done and they thought they'd won its more baffling. The thing about teaching them the fate that awaits them if they eat humans is extremely harsh but in a war between ageless beings I guess these kind of extremes can be justified. A question that throws me off much more than this one since I came to terms with it to my own satisfaction is why the Tomogara don't just stop eating humans if they simply want to co-exist, I mean Lamies is already a precedent for the fact that the non battle-crazed flame haze won't hunt them and of course if you don't eat humans you dont get battle crazd flame haze soooooooooooooo......... |
ScarletSentry said: A question that throws me off much more than this one since I came to terms with it to my own satisfaction is why the Tomogara don't just stop eating humans if they simply want to co-exist, I mean Lamies is already a precedent for the fact that the non battle-crazed flame haze won't hunt them and of course if you don't eat humans you dont get battle crazd flame haze soooooooooooooo......... They have to consume Power of Existence in order to stay in the human world. In Xanadu, Power of Existence is overflowing and thus it is no longer required to consume humans. |
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Aassdddai said: ScarletSentry said: A question that throws me off much more than this one since I came to terms with it to my own satisfaction is why the Tomogara don't just stop eating humans if they simply want to co-exist, I mean Lamies is already a precedent for the fact that the non battle-crazed flame haze won't hunt them and of course if you don't eat humans you dont get battle crazd flame haze soooooooooooooo......... They have to consume Power of Existence in order to stay in the human world. In Xanadu, Power of Existence is overflowing and thus it is no longer required to consume humans. Nice one, thanks I missed that. |
| The real villain was whoever created this terribly written mess of trash. |
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| Well, first of all war is war. It's basically two sides who are trying to impose their beliefs and interests one on each other. Secondly, there's no universal good guy or universal bad guy. Some Flame Hazes are good, some are bad. Some Tomogara are harmless (Lamies), some are harmful. You cannot blame anyone, not even the Tomogara kind, it's like blaming the wolf for eating the lamb. Is the wolf the bad guy? No, it's all just trophic chain. Snake wanted to create a Paradise which meant free PoE for everyone, meaning a copy of the same world only that this new one has free stuff. Still, there are a few things implied here. First of all, that didn't mean Tomogara wouldn't eat humans anymore, even with overflowing PoE. Some of them might still do that for fun, some out of grudges. That's the main reason some Flame Hazes agreed to its creation but wanted this rule, that Tomogara should be forbidden from eating humans. That's even why Yuji and Shana went to live together in Xanadu, to teach Tomogara how to coexist with humans (as far as I know, there are still evil Tomogara and some even go for a kill or attacks them). Secondly, Flame Hazes had their own reason. What would happen if an enemy of a nation tells it: 'You know, we have this plan of ours, it implies a MASSIVE change of the world so you should just stay out and not have say.'? It was a risky move and the plan could go all wrong, not to mention that they predicted that if they didn't interfere, I quote: StormSky92 said: Flame Haze - stop them from creating their paradise, because they believed that the Tomogara would continue to devour the human souls in the new world, which would eventually leak into the human world (somehow) and screw up the balance. Not for thousands of years, but it would eventually happen. But is war all about talking peacefully into making a compromise? Fuck no It's like: Imma screw you 'til you do as I say. From both sides. And finally, yes, there were plenty of Flame Hazes who had selfish reasons too, like, they spent their lives as F.H. for revenge & stuff, and now they are out of reasons to live. See when Yuji held his grand speech in front of them. But as they say, all's well that ends well. |
| The mindfucker. |
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