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02-17-13, 12:30 PM

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Downgrade355 said:

I doubt anyone would buy it if it were a Nukige, can't imagine a Nukige with multiple dudes and one heroine, it just doesn't make sense if you ask me.
There are in fact quite a few of these, I even can think of one (Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo) where the protag is female as well. And with the hot and submissive MC girl here, and the multiple assertive males... I think it would make a fine nukige.
 
02-17-13, 12:45 PM

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bNq said:
There are in fact quite a few of these, I even can think of one (Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo) where the protag is female as well. And with the hot and submissive MC girl here, and the multiple assertive males... I think it would make a fine nukige.


lolol hold on a minute, isn't Toki wo kakeru Shoujo a normal anime? mang you must be joking.
anyways, unless you're talking about Nukige as in Otome-nukige, R-18 otome that is, then sure, nearly every R-18 otome game is like this to an extent, if this were an R-18 then it would also sell, but Nukige means pure porn, and the only Nukiges i see are those short (and sometimes long) eroges, But i do recall Aromarie's Chou no Doku Hana no Kusari, which was an otome game with quite alot of porn in it, that sold alot, it had more than 90 reviews on Amazon.
 
02-17-13, 12:45 PM

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Downgrade355 said:

@Mary_Vanucchi
There is no sexism in it, some people, especially westerners are just oversensitive to things, Japan, and most countries aside from america and a few others have no problems such as sexism or that kind of trivial crap, they don't overreact to these things, if everyone would find excuses and reasons to call out sexism, unecessarily, then i doubt the media would have advanced this much, even though there are some siginificantly negative points about it.
Otome heroines are normal girls, it's easy for the audience to identify with such characters, that's just how it is, on that note, as far as being useless goes, male MC harems are alot more useless going by that logic, there are plenty of exceptions, but most are lazy, reliant on others, and can't do much by themselves, though that meta is starting to change slowly as i'm see'ing alot more decent protagonists these days.



Well, seems like I got on that old argument about "is sexist or not".
First of all: I don't consider myself a feminist and I know this group include some radical and oversensitive members, but I don't like how otome heroines are portrayed in otome adaptations - from a gender equality point of view. When you're playing a date sim is easier to have common girls as protagonists, so the player can insert easier in the game. But even this is not excuse for making heroines so dependent; I can see how girls can drool over some bishounen tropes, but isn't making the heroines so dependent an apology for dependence in the opposite gender?

Maybe I'm saying this because recently I played X-Note, a non-japanese otome game, and I enjoyed a lot how the heroine, Essi, had a convincing personality and good interactions with the rest of the cast, without detracting the interactivity factor of the date sim moments in the slightest, but my point is: making otome heroines as common girls is comprehensive, but do they need to be so dependant on the opposite sex? As a woman that was created to be strong by myself - and that doesn't mean I despise every romantic relationship in this world - , I "can't" get why other girls accept that their role as the heroines of many of those games is so much controlled by male influence. I won't get into that old generalization that "what you like says what you really is" but is true that some people are really influenced by fantasies from fictional works. And when we talk about pop culture from a country so conservative in gender matters as Japan, things look even worse.

And I won't even talk about how bad the lack of personality of the heroines translates bad into anime format where the audience has no interactivity with the story.

Also, about the male MCs: most of them surely are useless, but in the end they make the girls orbitate around them with no convincing reason. Also, the male-targeted audience of these harem shows is manipulated too, believing that in some fictional reality people like him can get the best of the girls. But it's just it, a fictional world.

...I hope this don't look like a huge mess...

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02-17-13, 12:46 PM

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Arghhh, why another psp-only! ;_; I got interested at otome-game, checked at vndb, and will be watching only because of Hikaru Midorikawa and Katsuyuki Konishi.
Either way, reverse harem anime are quite popular nowadays, huh... And it's another vampire-theme one. I'd rather go with Vampire Sweetie anime.
 
02-17-13, 12:46 PM

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I know this is kinda off topic, but can tell me how much did UtaPuri sell anyways? I notice that a 2nd season is airing in to months so it must of been good.

Anyways, I'm going to try Diabolik Lovers first episode before I see if I will like it or not. I have heard about it but I'm not that big fan of otome games. The girls in them just get on nerves and I'm a girl.
 
02-17-13, 12:53 PM

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Downgrade355 said:
bNq said:
There are in fact quite a few of these, I even can think of one (Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo) where the protag is female as well. And with the hot and submissive MC girl here, and the multiple assertive males... I think it would make a fine nukige.


lolol hold on a minute, isn't Toki wo kakeru Shoujo a normal anime? mang you must be joking.
anyways, unless you're talking about Nukige as in Otome-nukige, R-18 otome that is, then sure, nearly every R-18 otome game is like this to an extent, if this were an R-18 then it would also sell, but Nukige means pure porn, and the only Nukiges i see are those short (and sometimes long) eroges, But i do recall Aromarie's Chou no Doku Hana no Kusari, which was an otome game with quite alot of porn in it, that sold alot, it had more than 90 reviews on Amazon.

http://vndb.org/v10636

I don't joke when it comes to nukige. And nope, I meant as in "regular" nukige, aimed at males. I'm not familiar with otome stuff, didn't even know they had otome nukige as well.
 
02-17-13, 12:53 PM

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kaykenner54 said:
I know this is kinda off topic, but can tell me how much did UtaPuri sell anyways? I notice that a 2nd season is airing in to months so it must of been good.


I guess it was around 18k.
I'm almost checking this UtaPri because of that. Is a true commercial phenomenon among otome adaptations, I want to know why. Also, some people that I know really liked, while they got bored with stuff like Hiiro no Kakera.

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02-17-13, 12:55 PM

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Downgrade355 said:
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Yeah, that might be the case, but even then, i don't see much boost or profit from this, and that's why eveyone is confused.

I doubt we would even know. The publicly available data is not good at surfacing long-tail type sales and particularly bad with non-media sales, which we never get a decent sense of. I prefer to stick with the simplest explanation: they keep making them because they're able to make money on it. Maybe it's not a lot, but it's viable. That's what small niche entertainment is all about.

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I know this is kinda off topic, but can tell me how much did UtaPuri sell anyways? I notice that a 2nd season is airing in to months so it must of been good.

18,010 average DVD+BD over its 6 volumes. Vols. 1 and 6 being much higher (25-28k) than Vols. 2-5 (13-14k), due to live event tickets and stuff.
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02-17-13, 1:02 PM

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@Mary_Vanucchi
You're taking this way too seriously. i don't mean to offend you or anything, but you also seem to be one of those oversensitive people who overreact to such trivial things.

Like i said many times, It's just easier for people to identify with "normal" heroes/heroines, and for the whole "dependant" thing, it's just a matter of preference, and it just happens that the majority are like that, and you seem to be mistaking something here, it's not that they're "dependant" on the opposite sex, it more like they prefer their heroes/heroines to be the ideal partner, i'm not speaking for everyone, but i can easily imagine a girl drooling over a strong guy who pays her attention and lets her depend on him and such.

as for male characters, well yeah, going by your logic and arguement, the media also tends to be sexist against males, making them look spineless and useless, but most people don't even pay attention to such trivial stuff, and i'm sorry that you feel that way, but you happen to be with the minority, so you'll have to let it go or deal with it one way or another, i for one, play a Visual novel for the characters, not for the MC that i'm supposed to identify with, and i'm sure most people do the same.

from my view, it does look like a mess, not to be rude or anything, but damn, that's too much drama and unnecessary sensitiveness. anyway, if you don't like depending on people and all that, then good for you, but my advice to you is don't expect others to be the same, the world is big and there are many kinds of people out there, no need to be stuck up about things and that goes for all of us, people should be more relaxed and take things easy.

bNq said:

http://vndb.org/v10636

I don't joke when it comes to nukige. And nope, I meant as in "regular" nukige, aimed at males. I'm not familiar with otome stuff, didn't even know they had otome nukige as well.


holycrap dude, i just...
You do know that there is a normal anime with the same title right? Sorry man, i just thought you were joking because that's the first thing that came to mind lol.

and well, There isn't exactly Otome nukiges, just Otome with porn in it, like a normal Eroge, plot and porn, but who knows, they might just make a nukige otome at some point.

@jmal
Yeah, guess you do have a point.
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02-17-13, 1:05 PM

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Yep, this stuff is pretty disturbing I won't recommend this to anyone who doesn't have an open mind..
 
02-17-13, 1:08 PM

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Yep, this stuff is pretty disturbing I won't recommend this to anyone who doesn't have an open mind..


i'm sure most people who're familiar with otome games, anime, etc won't be bothered by little blood and crazy vampires.
 
02-17-13, 1:16 PM

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OMG!!!!!!!! >_<
 
02-17-13, 1:18 PM

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Not really into otome eh, but i guess i can check it out anyway.
 
02-17-13, 1:21 PM

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At least girl is pretty. I hope this time she has some kind of personality because Amnesia's heroine is testing my patience with her "eh?". >.> Anyways, depending on season I probably at least will watch one episode.
 
02-17-13, 1:26 PM

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I don't normally enjoy anime involving vampires, but hey! I'm gonna give it a try.
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02-17-13, 1:28 PM

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Are you serious? Oh. My. It's going to be censored or something. Good luck...
 
02-17-13, 1:29 PM

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@Mary_Vanucchi
You're taking this way too seriously. i don't mean to offend you or anything, but you also seem to be one of those oversensitive people who overreact to such trivial things.

Like i said many times, It's just easier for people to identify with "normal" heroes/heroines, and for the whole "dependant" thing, it's just a matter of preference, and it just happens that the majority are like that, and you seem to be mistaking something here, it's not that they're "dependant" on the opposite sex, it more like they prefer their heroes/heroines to be the ideal partner, i'm not speaking for everyone, but i can easily imagine a girl drooling over a strong guy who pays her attention and lets her depend on him and such.

as for male characters, well yeah, going by your logic and arguement, the media also tends to be sexist against males, making them look spineless and useless, but most people don't even pay attention to such trivial stuff, and i'm sorry that you feel that way, but you happen to be with the minority, so you'll have to let it go or deal with it one way or another, i for one, play a Visual novel for the characters, not for the MC that i'm supposed to identify with, and i'm sure most people do the same.

from my view, it does look like a mess, not to be rude or anything, but damn, that's too much drama and unnecessary sensitiveness.


Do I look too sensitive and dramatic just because I wrote a lot? Hey, I just tried to bring another look to the context of both male harems and reverse harems. Maybe I'm sensitive with some stuff that don't match my moral sense, but that's just as I said:

Mary_Vanucchi said:
I won't get into that old generalization that "what you like says what you really is" but is true that some people are really influenced by fantasies from fictional works.


I just like to look how some works reflect the way some "social and cultural rules" exist. It's one of my ways of enjoying (or not) anime, manga and any kind of fiction and understanding how they exist. That's why I prefer to not generalize any fandom, but I don't like to ignore the implications of fictional stories. Entertainment is a way of praising or bashing social values, I like to observe, agree or disagree with what they say.

Now, you say that some people like partners they can rely a lot, and I just wonder if this doesn't mean this person can't do too much for itself. The idea of females too dependant on male partners is often related to sexism, and not without a reason, since our society is clearly sexism and likes to treat women that takes the iniciative on their sexual lives like "whores, bitches". I can't help but be skeptical when a game aimed at females reinforces values like lack of independence; I'm sure I like stories with some degree of sexism (*cof* Death Note and its useless females *cof*), but they are really strong in other points and luckily don't focus too much on the bad parts.
If some otome adaptation comes with a good story and presentation, I'm sure I can enjoy, but any signal of lack of personality in a heroine will detract a bit my enjoyment. It can't be helped.

In a final note, sexism is not trivial, please. I'm tired of going through internet and seeing people blaming rape victims for the crime because they were wearing revealing clothes or - going back to the point about male harem MCs - going through otaku sensationalists sites and seeing those creepy otakus living in those delusions the japanese culture feed them, completely detached from reality.

But then, we're going off-topic, this is not the place to discuss that. Maybe I'll make a thread for this later (or if I'm too lazy, I'll wait until someone start one).

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02-17-13, 1:31 PM

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I saw this coming.. the Game was somehow a success,
but I doubt they will recreate the beautiful CG art.. what a big let down already..
do something about it..
 
02-17-13, 1:36 PM

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Uhm, okay, so let's just hope this doesn't get animated by Brains Base again, so we don't have to FORGET another horrible otome adaptation. I'll just see if it's any good. I am not really fond of the vampire-thing. Though it sounds perfect for smexy scenes, but still. Yay for another otome adaptation.
 
02-17-13, 1:37 PM

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After watching Arcana and Amnesia. I'm not interested in this.
 
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