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Feb 17, 2013 9:24 AM

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yet another otome game... I couldn't even finish arcana famiglia, guess I won't be watching this



 
Feb 17, 2013 9:25 AM

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Yey otome games<3
I just hope the main girl character wont be a boring one that barely stands out...

But other then that the male character designs look great (:
 
Feb 17, 2013 9:26 AM

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Sanguis said:
Here's to hoping the heroine isn't some spineless fool like in most otome games.


lolwut, the heroines in most otome games are just your average normal girl, few exceptions have supernatural stuff going for them.

bNq said:
Yeah, not like we have enough shitty vampire fanfic-tier stories in the West already. I doubt this is going to sell decently, but well, good luck anyway.


i get the feeling that they're trying to pull an UtaPri, which isn't going to happen, UtaPri (and Hakuoki) are top selling otome games, and one of the few, along with Tokimeki, the rest sells below average-average, can't see how they expect it to sell decently, but as you said, good luck to them.

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The story is really sick actually. There are quite a lot of S&M and violence


Lol Yeah, i heard the dudes are all sadists, usually it's one or two guys in an otome game that are sadistic, but this game is full of sadism, this could use some little sparkly flower shoujo feel man.
 
Feb 17, 2013 9:28 AM

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Otomes aren't my cup of tea so might pass on this.

 
Feb 17, 2013 9:35 AM

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Downgrade355 said:
Sanguis said:
Here's to hoping the heroine isn't some spineless fool like in most otome games.


lolwut, the heroines in most otome games are just your average normal girl, few exceptions have supernatural stuff going for them.


Exactly -- just like how most MC's in harems are just your average normal boy, because wish fulfillment. (Though girl wish fulfillment annoys me a lot more then boy, I dunno why.)
 
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Nachtwandler_21 said:
The story is really sick actually. There are quite a lot of S&M and violence

I was looking at some art for it and I saw some pretty kinky stuff going on. I am now quite aroused.
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Feb 17, 2013 9:36 AM

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I also don't think I'll like this one but as usual, I'll end up watching it... o_o
 
Feb 17, 2013 9:37 AM

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Just what we needed.
 
Feb 17, 2013 9:37 AM

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i have wanted to play this game before even though the story isn't really wow but love the art <333
 
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Reverse harem, no thanks! :>
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Feb 17, 2013 9:37 AM

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VioLink said:
Nachtwandler_21 said:
The story is really sick actually. There are quite a lot of S&M and violence

I was looking at some art for it and I saw some pretty kinky stuff going on. I am now quite aroused.

It says it's unavailable. ;o
 
Feb 17, 2013 9:41 AM

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VioLink said:
Nachtwandler_21 said:
The story is really sick actually. There are quite a lot of S&M and violence

I was looking at some art for it and I saw some pretty kinky stuff going on. I am now quite aroused.

It says it's unavailable. ;o

I think you need a account.

Edit: I removed the picture from my post since its probably a spoiler anyway.
 
Feb 17, 2013 9:44 AM

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VioLink said:
Jei-sama said:
VioLink said:
Nachtwandler_21 said:
The story is really sick actually. There are quite a lot of S&M and violence

I was looking at some art for it and I saw some pretty kinky stuff going on. I am now quite aroused.

It says it's unavailable. ;o

I think you need a account.


Aw damn :[
 
Feb 17, 2013 9:47 AM

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"otome game" no thank you, i've learned my lesson about watching those
 
Feb 17, 2013 9:51 AM

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ihateeveryone said:

Exactly -- just like how most MC's in harems are just your average normal boy, because wish fulfillment. (Though girl wish fulfillment annoys me a lot more then boy, I dunno why.)


Yup, Average person surrounded by attractive people of the opposite gender is easier for people to identify with, like "i'm just a normal guy/girl so why am i getting so much attention", you know, something like that lol

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I was looking at some art for it and I saw some pretty kinky stuff going on. I am now quite aroused.


Well, nothing that graphic is going on as the game was made for the PSP, and it's R-15, just your typical hot dominant/sadistic guy fulfilling some fantasies.

just saying incase someone gets the wrong idea and goes all "omg dis porn".
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I'm willing to bet that this is gonna be an OVA. I mean, come on. After how Arcana and Hiiro sold, and judging by how AMNESIA's gonna sell...seriously?(But all three anime are almost crap imo so I'm not surprised by the sAles)

But then again, the recent OVA of an otome anime called 'Hanayaka Ichizoku bla bla' sold very poorly too so why would they make another OVA?
Unless...are these anime adaptations actually boosting the sales of the otome games?
So many questions...but, I'm 100% sure this will be an OVA. Unless, like Downgrade said, they want to go bankrupt.

Well, TV or OVA, all I'm gonna say is, Otomate and whatever studio is gonna animate this, please don't turn this game into a crappy anime.

Oh and as for the people expecting a strong heroine, you ain't getting one. =P Sorry.
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I'm willing to bet that this is gonna be an OVA. I mean, come on. After how Arcana and Hiiro sold, and judging by how AMNESIA's gonna sell...seriously?(But all three anime are almost crap imo so I'm not surprised by the sAles)

But then again, the recent OVA of an otome anime called 'Hanayaka Ichizoku bla bla' sold very poorly too so why would they make another OVA?
Unless...are these anime adaptations actually boosting the sales of the otome games?
So many questions...but, I'm 100% sure this will be an OVA. Unless, like Downgrade said, they want to go bankrupt.

Well, TV or OVA, all I'm gonna say is, Otomate and whatever studio is gonna animate this, please don't turn this game into a crappy anime.

Oh and as for the people expecting a strong heroine, you ain't getting one. =P Sorry.


as i mentioned earlier in one of my posts, it seems to me that they're trying to pull off an UtaPri sales, which is possible but not easy, I'll explain why, UtaPrince was already a huge success in the otome industry, it's one of the top selling otome games, so it wouldn't surprise anyone if it sold high, which it did. But after that, most otome games seem to be selling average, and they're adapting said average titles, but you can't expect them to sell because they weren't that successful. as for the boost, i'm not sure, if there is any boost at all then it's likely a small 1 or 2k at the most.

But like i said, pulling off an UtaPri is possible, but not easy, as it requires the game to be already popular and widely known with the audience.

There are strong heroines in Otome games, as in independent and have some kind of powers, but it's just easier for the audience to identify with average heroes/heroines, which is why most otome heroines are just your typical normal MC.
 
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Komori Yui is a normal high school girl, who often experiences supernatural phenomena. She moves to a school for celebrities "Reitei Academy", which has a frightening rumor of vampires. Yui borrows a room in her relative's house and begins to live with six handsome but sadistic boys. Later, she realizes they are not human...


The synopsis seems somewhat interesting, but does it really have to be that many guys? I'm probably gonna watch, but I'm not gonna be expecting much.

P.S. The designs are pretty sick (in a good way).
 
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Reverse harem, ain't getting much into that genre lately, will probably not able to complete it

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The story is really sick actually. There are quite a lot of S&M and violence

What a turn off
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Feb 17, 2013 10:14 AM

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@Downgrade355
I'm not sure about the sales figures but the game itself is pretty popular along with the drama CD's (they're even going to introduce new characters with well known seiyuus). I doubt it's taking the same path as UtaPri, both are quite different considering the fact that Diabolik Lovers is R18.. and er the whole supernatural-vampire thing is just an excuse for 'action' to happen.
 
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If she experiences supernatural events I wouldn't call her a normal high school girl.
 
Feb 17, 2013 10:39 AM

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Nachtwandler_21 said:
The story is really sick actually. There are quite a lot of S&M and violence

aaand suddenly i'm interested.

anyone knows what rating it might get? pg-13 or r? any assumptions?
 
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Otome game adaptations are always bad and I don't think this is gonna be an exception
 
Feb 17, 2013 10:51 AM

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Will watch : D
 
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@Downgrade355
I'm not sure about the sales figures but the game itself is pretty popular along with the drama CD's (they're even going to introduce new characters with well known seiyuus). I doubt it's taking the same path as UtaPri, both are quite different considering the fact that Diabolik Lovers is R18.. and er the whole supernatural-vampire thing is just an excuse for 'action' to happen.


Not really, Diabolik lovers is R-15, there is no R-18 games on the psp, or any console for that matter.

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aaand suddenly i'm interested.

anyone knows what rating it might get? pg-13 or r? any assumptions?


R-15, not too smutty, but not too soft.
 
Feb 17, 2013 11:04 AM
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Meh, sounds alright.
 
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a waste of money :D
 
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a waste of money :D


And you know that how? I thought we were supposed to be taught the expression "Don't judge a book by it's cover" before we even started school.
 
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Downgrade355 said:
Not really, Diabolik lovers is R-15, there is no R-18 games on the psp, or any console for that matter.

hiabara said:

aaand suddenly i'm interested.

anyone knows what rating it might get? pg-13 or r? any assumptions?


R-15, not too smutty, but not too soft.


erm say that after you listen to the drama CD..
in both cases, my point is Diabolik Lovers and UtaPri are not similar.
 
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erm say that after you listen to the drama CD..
in both cases, my point is Diabolik Lovers and UtaPri are not similar.


I'm talking about the actual game, on the PSP, not the drama CD, they're completely different.
my point was that, in an attempt to enlighten those who wonder why they keep animating otome games, it's that they're hoping for some sales like UtaPri, but it's not gonna be easy because Diabolik lover was slightly above average in sales while UtaPri is among the 3 Top sellers.
 
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Wow a lot of otome games adaptations lately!
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Feb 17, 2013 11:27 AM

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sounds interesting.. may watch.
 
Feb 17, 2013 11:32 AM

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I had a feeling this would get an adaption with how popular it's been. It has such great character designs and it's an otome adaption so I'll be watching this!
 
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I think it's overreaching to assume that otome game adaptations are expecting UtaPri-level sales. No doubt sales like that would make them (or anyone) quite happy, but if 18k were the standard definition of "success" they wouldn't be able to keep making these shows at all. That would set an unrealistic expectation, and the investors behind these production committees aren't naive. The last visual novel (regardless of target audience) to average more than UtaPri was Clannad After Story, more than four years ago.

It's much more likely that the expectations are similar to the majority of male-targeted galge and eroge adaptations: mediocre-to-average disc sales used as a loss-leader to push OP/EDs, drama CDs, merchandise, and some sales of the original game as well. Should it catch on and get higher disc sales, great. But the business model can't revolve around that as a necessity.
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This is the kind of thing that ends up annoying me to no end, I always end up watching though. :s

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ihateeveryone said:
Though girl wish fulfillment annoys me a lot more then boy


It's the same with me, but I think I understand why a bit more now. My problem is that some otome adaptations try to pass out as some stylish and somewhat deep story when they aren't that different of fanservice harems in terms of substance.

Also, I find ironically funny how these adaptations targeted to the female audience can be sexist in a different way than male harems - the heroine tends to be useless, has no personality, gets the attention of all the guys and depends on them for a lot of things - and how its fans sometimes despise male harems for being exploitative and brainless tits and ass material.

Anyway, getting back to this new anime... If the game is long and the adaptation is short (around 12-14 episodes), I'll not even get close.



Wow, that's pretty... Disgusting.
(edit: the stuff about the game, I mean.)
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Wow, that's pretty... Disgusting.
I looked up the CGs after reading this, it's quite disappointing overall sadly. I certainly see some potential in it, but they fail to deliver properly. Well, probably wrong target audience. Give me a nukige with the same theme, MC girl would fit quite well into one of these.

E: Just noticed how low the resolution is, I probably got the PSP CG.. damn. Well, game isn't on sukebei, and I don't care enough for it to search more intensely for it now. A shame.
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Nachtwandler_21 said:
The story is really sick actually. There are quite a lot of S&M and violence


For some reason I believe they will tone that down :S
 
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@jmal
Yeah, that might be the case, but even then, i don't see much boost or profit from this, and that's why eveyone is confused.

@Mary_Vanucchi
There is no sexism in it, some people, especially westerners are just oversensitive to things, Japan, and most countries aside from america and a few others have no problems such as sexism or that kind of trivial crap, they don't overreact to these things, if everyone would find excuses and reasons to call out sexism, unecessarily, then i doubt the media would have advanced this much, even though there are some siginificantly negative points about it.
Otome heroines are normal girls, it's easy for the audience to identify with such characters, that's just how it is, on that note, as far as being useless goes, male MC harems are alot more useless going by that logic, there are plenty of exceptions, but most are lazy, reliant on others, and can't do much by themselves, though that meta is starting to change slowly as i'm see'ing alot more decent protagonists these days.

Mimiko said:

For some reason I believe they will tone that down :S


They always tone stuff down, regardless of target audience or genre.

bNq said:
I looked up the CGs after reading this, it's quite disappointing overall sadly. I certainly see some potential in it, but they fail to deliver properly. Well, probably wrong target audience. Give me a nukige with the same theme, MC girl would fit quite well into one of these.

E: Just noticed how low the resolution is, I probably got the PSP CG.. damn. Well, game isn't on sukebei, and I don't care enough for it to search more intensely for it now. A shame.


I doubt anyone would buy it if it were a Nukige, can't imagine a Nukige with multiple dudes and one heroine, it just doesn't make sense if you ask me.
the game is as otome as it gets, the violence and blood is a bit too much but i'm guessing that's just an attempt to spice things up for the consumers, instead of the typical flowery sparkles.
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Downgrade355 said:

I doubt anyone would buy it if it were a Nukige, can't imagine a Nukige with multiple dudes and one heroine, it just doesn't make sense if you ask me.
There are in fact quite a few of these, I even can think of one (Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo) where the protag is female as well. And with the hot and submissive MC girl here, and the multiple assertive males... I think it would make a fine nukige.
 
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bNq said:
There are in fact quite a few of these, I even can think of one (Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo) where the protag is female as well. And with the hot and submissive MC girl here, and the multiple assertive males... I think it would make a fine nukige.


lolol hold on a minute, isn't Toki wo kakeru Shoujo a normal anime? mang you must be joking.
anyways, unless you're talking about Nukige as in Otome-nukige, R-18 otome that is, then sure, nearly every R-18 otome game is like this to an extent, if this were an R-18 then it would also sell, but Nukige means pure porn, and the only Nukiges i see are those short (and sometimes long) eroges, But i do recall Aromarie's Chou no Doku Hana no Kusari, which was an otome game with quite alot of porn in it, that sold alot, it had more than 90 reviews on Amazon.
 
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Downgrade355 said:

@Mary_Vanucchi
There is no sexism in it, some people, especially westerners are just oversensitive to things, Japan, and most countries aside from america and a few others have no problems such as sexism or that kind of trivial crap, they don't overreact to these things, if everyone would find excuses and reasons to call out sexism, unecessarily, then i doubt the media would have advanced this much, even though there are some siginificantly negative points about it.
Otome heroines are normal girls, it's easy for the audience to identify with such characters, that's just how it is, on that note, as far as being useless goes, male MC harems are alot more useless going by that logic, there are plenty of exceptions, but most are lazy, reliant on others, and can't do much by themselves, though that meta is starting to change slowly as i'm see'ing alot more decent protagonists these days.



Well, seems like I got on that old argument about "is sexist or not".
First of all: I don't consider myself a feminist and I know this group include some radical and oversensitive members, but I don't like how otome heroines are portrayed in otome adaptations - from a gender equality point of view. When you're playing a date sim is easier to have common girls as protagonists, so the player can insert easier in the game. But even this is not excuse for making heroines so dependent; I can see how girls can drool over some bishounen tropes, but isn't making the heroines so dependent an apology for dependence in the opposite gender?

Maybe I'm saying this because recently I played X-Note, a non-japanese otome game, and I enjoyed a lot how the heroine, Essi, had a convincing personality and good interactions with the rest of the cast, without detracting the interactivity factor of the date sim moments in the slightest, but my point is: making otome heroines as common girls is comprehensive, but do they need to be so dependant on the opposite sex? As a woman that was created to be strong by myself - and that doesn't mean I despise every romantic relationship in this world - , I "can't" get why other girls accept that their role as the heroines of many of those games is so much controlled by male influence. I won't get into that old generalization that "what you like says what you really is" but is true that some people are really influenced by fantasies from fictional works. And when we talk about pop culture from a country so conservative in gender matters as Japan, things look even worse.

And I won't even talk about how bad the lack of personality of the heroines translates bad into anime format where the audience has no interactivity with the story.

Also, about the male MCs: most of them surely are useless, but in the end they make the girls orbitate around them with no convincing reason. Also, the male-targeted audience of these harem shows is manipulated too, believing that in some fictional reality people like him can get the best of the girls. But it's just it, a fictional world.

...I hope this don't look like a huge mess...

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Arghhh, why another psp-only! ;_; I got interested at otome-game, checked at vndb, and will be watching only because of Hikaru Midorikawa and Katsuyuki Konishi.
Either way, reverse harem anime are quite popular nowadays, huh... And it's another vampire-theme one. I'd rather go with Vampire Sweetie anime.
 
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I know this is kinda off topic, but can tell me how much did UtaPuri sell anyways? I notice that a 2nd season is airing in to months so it must of been good.

Anyways, I'm going to try Diabolik Lovers first episode before I see if I will like it or not. I have heard about it but I'm not that big fan of otome games. The girls in them just get on nerves and I'm a girl.
 
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Downgrade355 said:
bNq said:
There are in fact quite a few of these, I even can think of one (Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo) where the protag is female as well. And with the hot and submissive MC girl here, and the multiple assertive males... I think it would make a fine nukige.


lolol hold on a minute, isn't Toki wo kakeru Shoujo a normal anime? mang you must be joking.
anyways, unless you're talking about Nukige as in Otome-nukige, R-18 otome that is, then sure, nearly every R-18 otome game is like this to an extent, if this were an R-18 then it would also sell, but Nukige means pure porn, and the only Nukiges i see are those short (and sometimes long) eroges, But i do recall Aromarie's Chou no Doku Hana no Kusari, which was an otome game with quite alot of porn in it, that sold alot, it had more than 90 reviews on Amazon.

http://vndb.org/v10636

I don't joke when it comes to nukige. And nope, I meant as in "regular" nukige, aimed at males. I'm not familiar with otome stuff, didn't even know they had otome nukige as well.
 
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I know this is kinda off topic, but can tell me how much did UtaPuri sell anyways? I notice that a 2nd season is airing in to months so it must of been good.


I guess it was around 18k.
I'm almost checking this UtaPri because of that. Is a true commercial phenomenon among otome adaptations, I want to know why. Also, some people that I know really liked, while they got bored with stuff like Hiiro no Kakera.

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Yeah, that might be the case, but even then, i don't see much boost or profit from this, and that's why eveyone is confused.

I doubt we would even know. The publicly available data is not good at surfacing long-tail type sales and particularly bad with non-media sales, which we never get a decent sense of. I prefer to stick with the simplest explanation: they keep making them because they're able to make money on it. Maybe it's not a lot, but it's viable. That's what small niche entertainment is all about.

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I know this is kinda off topic, but can tell me how much did UtaPuri sell anyways? I notice that a 2nd season is airing in to months so it must of been good.

18,010 average DVD+BD over its 6 volumes. Vols. 1 and 6 being much higher (25-28k) than Vols. 2-5 (13-14k), due to live event tickets and stuff.
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@Mary_Vanucchi
You're taking this way too seriously. i don't mean to offend you or anything, but you also seem to be one of those oversensitive people who overreact to such trivial things.

Like i said many times, It's just easier for people to identify with "normal" heroes/heroines, and for the whole "dependant" thing, it's just a matter of preference, and it just happens that the majority are like that, and you seem to be mistaking something here, it's not that they're "dependant" on the opposite sex, it more like they prefer their heroes/heroines to be the ideal partner, i'm not speaking for everyone, but i can easily imagine a girl drooling over a strong guy who pays her attention and lets her depend on him and such.

as for male characters, well yeah, going by your logic and arguement, the media also tends to be sexist against males, making them look spineless and useless, but most people don't even pay attention to such trivial stuff, and i'm sorry that you feel that way, but you happen to be with the minority, so you'll have to let it go or deal with it one way or another, i for one, play a Visual novel for the characters, not for the MC that i'm supposed to identify with, and i'm sure most people do the same.

from my view, it does look like a mess, not to be rude or anything, but damn, that's too much drama and unnecessary sensitiveness. anyway, if you don't like depending on people and all that, then good for you, but my advice to you is don't expect others to be the same, the world is big and there are many kinds of people out there, no need to be stuck up about things and that goes for all of us, people should be more relaxed and take things easy.

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http://vndb.org/v10636

I don't joke when it comes to nukige. And nope, I meant as in "regular" nukige, aimed at males. I'm not familiar with otome stuff, didn't even know they had otome nukige as well.


holycrap dude, i just...
You do know that there is a normal anime with the same title right? Sorry man, i just thought you were joking because that's the first thing that came to mind lol.

and well, There isn't exactly Otome nukiges, just Otome with porn in it, like a normal Eroge, plot and porn, but who knows, they might just make a nukige otome at some point.

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Yeah, guess you do have a point.
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Yep, this stuff is pretty disturbing I won't recommend this to anyone who doesn't have an open mind..
 
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