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02-08-13, 10:13 PM

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I really like the main characters. They're all different but they mesh well together.

On the other hand I honestly don't care about the plot or the gift games at all.

penguindrum264 said:
If people like the show because of how "badass" Izayoi is, then why doesn't Hagure Yuusha no Estetica have a higher score cause Ousawa Akatsuki is way more badass than Izayoi, haha.

All I remember was that the Estetica guy took panties/bras off the girls while fighting.
So while they are both OP they aren't really the same.

Correct me if i'm wrong but I dropped that anime after 1 or 2 episodes. It was that forgettable for me.

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because overpowered protagonists


Still better than Kirito.

Using Kirito isn't the best example because even Ouma Shu is better than Kirito.

omg I can't believe I just typed that out loud.
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02-08-13, 11:12 PM

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Sophilia said:
Haters gonna hate.


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02-08-13, 11:49 PM

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I think the answers pretty simple.
Because most people have been dumbed down so horribly by anime cliches like maid girls, overly powerful characters, hot chix, saggy big boobs, pantie shots, etc... that if an anime doesn't have all that and more perversion, then people hate it. It's the sad aspect that has become anime it seems.
No more originality. After Hayao Miyazaki dies, it'll be gone for good I'm sure. Although there's still "some" original animes produced every now 'n then. Real good anime died after the mid-late 90's ended.
 
02-08-13, 11:49 PM

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A-Knight said:

Harem and ecchi are shounen sub-genres, and they are included in what I said anyway.


Neither harem or ecchi are exclusive to shounen, so labelling them as shounen sub-genres is incorrect. They are not exclusive to shounen.
 
02-09-13, 2:02 AM

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Izayoi doesn't really have plot armor. Plot armor is when a character performs way outside the realm of their established ability because the plot demands it. Good example is sudden power ups during fights or winning because you are more "determined" than the other guy. Izayoi is just a really strong established character.


No, Izayoi is a god. A deus ex machina. Strong established character would be an understatement.

He's rather weak compared to the strongest characters in that universe.

He's like a freshly dinged lvl 85(when that was the level cap) in WoW, beating up on low levels.
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02-09-13, 3:44 AM

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Coz it is lovable..lol

Seriously,it is awesome.The characters esp. main guy is cool & kuro usagi is just too cute..Other girls are nice.plus the plot is executed properly so a lot of good points.
They can do a lot with it.

The ending song & opening songs are so awesome as well

Plus it is a action.totally worthy of 9 points & may be 10 if ended awesomely.
 
02-09-13, 3:46 AM

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IDK. i like how it doesnt really take things seriously. It's also quite different from the usual action, since Izayoi seems invincible, and has no problems dealing with anything. I find that refreshing.

But it all comes down to one thing in the end: Kurousagi.
 
02-09-13, 6:23 AM

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The gift games are also interesting. The fact that Izayoi still couldn't win the recent one by himself shows that real thought is put into them.
 
02-09-13, 9:50 AM

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manuxel said:


supermegasonic said:

it's becuz there IS so much anime that have girls abusing guys that i'm finding this so much more enjoyable. the worst he's physically done is pull bunny girls ear. the worst girls have done is literally kill the MC. and that was apparently "funny"

and yes, he's a sterotype, just like 99% of every character in anime. but the last time i saw this particular one is from kaze no stigma. (maybe zetsuen no tempest, but he's not OP)

also
"you are watching way too much anime to find enjoyment out of seeing a main character not abused"

so what do you want me to do here?? ask all the producer/studio's to stop making useless MC's?


I agree he may be a stereotype, but not as used as others.

also
"you are watching way too much anime to find enjoyment out of seeing a main character not abused"

I am watching too much anime because I like anime too much.

THISx2

penguindrum264 said:
If people like the show because of how "badass" Izayoi is, then why doesn't Hagure Yuusha no Estetica have a higher score cause Ousawa Akatsuki is way more badass than Izayoi, haha.


thats what i've been wondering to this day. maybe its becuz their jealous he actually takes advantage of his situation for his entertainment?? otaku's dont like their waifu's being touched, and their seiyuu that voice them as well


 
02-09-13, 12:00 PM

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The series is 'light hearted' and fun to watch, I don't really think Izayoi is way overpowered concidering how powerful the others in 'the garden, or what they called it' are going to be.. probably
and I hope he stays 'overpowered', I've seen too much weak lead characters training and failing over and over again to finally at the last ep have superpowers, save the world etc.. it's just not fun.

Someone mentioned that Izayoi is a stereotype and his powers and arrogance are in the way of 'good writing' really? Do people really think some character personas that doesn't fit a 'good writing' niche won't have a chance at all? I actually haven't crossed many MC's that remind me of Izayoi, by overpowered I get reminded of the MC from Katanagatari and maybe Toua from One Outs (for being such a smart badass) and both of them are really good. There's just too many weak male leads getting bossed around by the girls in their own harem in shounen anime for me to want Izayoi to be anything else than he is ._. I also enjoy his character because he reminds me of Miko hehe..+++
Now I think this show has a pretty good rating because it's actually a very very decent anime, most, not all of course, but most anime that I've seen and and has aired the last year have been.. very bad -.-
 
02-09-13, 12:22 PM

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for those of you talking about stereotype. ask yourself this question. what is not stereotyped? if you can answer that, go ahead and make your own show, you might make millions.

there is far too much stuff out there. the way that they put it together, however, is what we will find entertaining and fresh, as shishime iihiko would put it. i myself end up liking this firmly because of the badassness of izayoi(much to how i liked kusanagi from campione), and the whole connection to mythical representations and the gifts themselves. once again, very much like campione. you could also argue that there are elements of other things. but what makes it so fresh? the plot, and the interactions between characters. if you are looking at stereotyped characters while doing the same interactions over and over, it'll get boring. why is this different from campione? do you see the stereotyped girls swooning over izayoi?(besides kurousagi? that one is obvious) i think not. do these stereotyped characters act the same way other characters act? maybe so. but is it in the same setting? i think not. same plot? very likely not. it's all a matter of what you find enjoyment in, and how deep you would dig into analysis in order to rate something. something you can't understand can be handled as a "that sucked, it made no sense". or it can be interpreted as a masterpiece (read: evangelion). how deep would you like to go into analyzing it? that depends how entertaining you found it, or how much attention span you managed to retain while watching. this show, seems shallow. however, there are many details that are not shown for time constrictions(i can only imagine). it seems rushed, but anything 9 episodes worth will seem a lot worse. considering that, i'd say that the story is far better than they are letting us in, and are somewhat letting us think up of several situations that would lead to what is actually shown, that would make the series oh so much better. however, that does depend how far you are willing to go in letting it go. i myself rate shows on how much enjoyment i get out of it, and how much deeper the setting would allow the show to go in. i would definitely rate this over an 8.

also. read on tons of the hagure yuusha topics. a lot of people just don't like seeing non wimpy mc's and label them as too op. frankly, op mc's are better.
 
02-09-13, 6:24 PM

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for those of you talking about stereotype. ask yourself this question. what is not stereotyped? if you can answer that, go ahead and make your own show, you might make millions.


Um, being a stereotype and being well-written are completely different things. Firstly, there actually are stories without stereotypes and secondly, you can give a character development to break them away from a stereotype, which is what a lot of well-written series do. The matter of fact is, for Mondaiji, it feels like characters were created based on that stereotype, they offer nothing new and are extremely cliche. There are a multitude of stories of which characters could be put in a stereotype, however are given enough to seperate them from the stereotype or put their character above such stereotypes. Until recently actually, I would find it hard to name a series that doesn't have at least one character go above and beyond the stereotype.

The main point is, it's not because it's stereotypical that is the problem. It's because the characters character is basically the stereotype; that's all. Nothing more, at all.

Also, no. Don't be smart, you will not make millions for writing a show simply because of characters not being stereotypical. That is not how the industry works, especially not in Japan where bad writing and moe is fluctuating. The characters in Psycho Pass have no general stereotype and were DEFINITELY NOT created on the basis of a stereotype and the sales for that weren't staggering at all. I actually don't know if we'll see an anime like that within the next year, which is disheartening.
 
02-10-13, 8:42 AM

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Richard_Omega said:
for those of you talking about stereotype. ask yourself this question. what is not stereotyped? if you can answer that, go ahead and make your own show, you might make millions.


Um, being a stereotype and being well-written are completely different things. Firstly, there actually are stories without stereotypes and secondly, you can give a character development to break them away from a stereotype, which is what a lot of well-written series do. The matter of fact is, for Mondaiji, it feels like characters were created based on that stereotype, they offer nothing new and are extremely cliche. There are a multitude of stories of which characters could be put in a stereotype, however are given enough to seperate them from the stereotype or put their character above such stereotypes. Until recently actually, I would find it hard to name a series that doesn't have at least one character go above and beyond the stereotype.

The main point is, it's not because it's stereotypical that is the problem. It's because the characters character is basically the stereotype; that's all. Nothing more, at all.

Also, no. Don't be smart, you will not make millions for writing a show simply because of characters not being stereotypical. That is not how the industry works, especially not in Japan where bad writing and moe is fluctuating. The characters in Psycho Pass have no general stereotype and were DEFINITELY NOT created on the basis of a stereotype and the sales for that weren't staggering at all. I actually don't know if we'll see an anime like that within the next year, which is disheartening.


Most character stereotypes come with scripted development, so development doesn't mean that they go beyond their stereotype. You don't need development to make a good character, and it is often the case that bad development derails characters.

Mondaij does do something that a lot of series don't do though. How many anime can claim to have three main cast members who are all competent, well-used, and shine in their own way and are not made into butt-monkeys, bitches, etc? I suppose kurousagi is somewhat of a butt-monkey, but she isn't one of the three chosen kids.

Also, Psycho Pass is full of stereotypes, just "darker and edgier" ones.
 
02-10-13, 9:32 AM

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No, Izayoi is a god. A deus ex machina. Strong established character would be an understatement.

Strong established character is exactly what he is. God? no, like rederoin said "He's like a freshly dinged lvl 85(when that was the level cap) in WoW, beating up on low levels." spoiler is about his ability


I like this series for most of the reasons other people have said, but mainly for the already strong cast, we don't have a wuss MC going through training arcs to gain plot armor and fight the strongest enemies, or annoying speeches about friends etc. and the fact that the characters are mature. I don't like the fact it's only 10 eps :(
 
02-10-13, 9:44 AM

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Characters like Izayoi destroy opportunities like good writing, and that's what people like. Difficulty? Struggle? Haha!

Though I'm sure if you get all the averages of each series on MAL and add them up and get the average for that, I'd predict it'd be somewhere in the 7's anyway. People tend to rate higher than they should.


I like this anime a lot but that is the main reason why Izayoi is my least favourite.
 
02-10-13, 4:45 PM

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TheUnknownOne said:
Richard_Omega said:
for those of you talking about stereotype. ask yourself this question. what is not stereotyped? if you can answer that, go ahead and make your own show, you might make millions.


Um, being a stereotype and being well-written are completely different things. Firstly, there actually are stories without stereotypes and secondly, you can give a character development to break them away from a stereotype, which is what a lot of well-written series do. The matter of fact is, for Mondaiji, it feels like characters were created based on that stereotype, they offer nothing new and are extremely cliche. There are a multitude of stories of which characters could be put in a stereotype, however are given enough to seperate them from the stereotype or put their character above such stereotypes. Until recently actually, I would find it hard to name a series that doesn't have at least one character go above and beyond the stereotype.

The main point is, it's not because it's stereotypical that is the problem. It's because the characters character is basically the stereotype; that's all. Nothing more, at all.

Also, no. Don't be smart, you will not make millions for writing a show simply because of characters not being stereotypical. That is not how the industry works, especially not in Japan where bad writing and moe is fluctuating. The characters in Psycho Pass have no general stereotype and were DEFINITELY NOT created on the basis of a stereotype and the sales for that weren't staggering at all. I actually don't know if we'll see an anime like that within the next year, which is disheartening.


Most character stereotypes come with scripted development, so development doesn't mean that they go beyond their stereotype. You don't need development to make a good character, and it is often the case that bad development derails characters.

Mondaij does do something that a lot of series don't do though. How many anime can claim to have three main cast members who are all competent, well-used, and shine in their own way and are not made into butt-monkeys, bitches, etc? I suppose kurousagi is somewhat of a butt-monkey, but she isn't one of the three chosen kids.

Also, Psycho Pass is full of stereotypes, just "darker and edgier" ones.


Bad development can make a bad character, but to say good development doesn't make a good character? I'm confused, but I see what you're trying to say, somewhat, so sorry if I misunderstand. Characters can develop into someone else entirely as the story progresses, so I have no clue why you'd still consider them in that stereotype if per say, Asuka, the stuck up, high and mighty princess experienced poverty and changed into someone who values and respects money, maids and a house and all that.

I disagree with Mondaiji doing something a lot of series don't. Kurosagi has still yet to do anything worthwhile and Leticia has shown to be nothing but a burden who used to be powerful and now even reduced to a maid role. In fact, I think the action scenes for You and Asuka seem forced and basically, unnecessary. Everything they've done, Izayoi can do better. I for one find a balanced cast where everyone is useful much more impressive than simply giving screen time to each character.

I am eager to know the stereotypes, other than maybe Kogami, I'm not seeing them. Either way, they're definitely not prominent or public common knowledge, unlike all the ones in Mondaiji.

Edit: Though honestly, this is a children's show (I think), so expecting good development is in my own fault, not the shows. Maybe it's because how bad this season is that I'm being so critical.
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02-10-13, 7:30 PM

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It's not like 7.9 is exceptionally high, and ratings tend to fluctuate a lot before it finishes anyway. I do somewhat like this show - it's a welcome diversion from the highschool setting - but there are just a few yet major flaws that really bring it down to a more average level. Take the art for example, it's straight out of 2006, maybe 07. I don't feel it's really utilizing the anime medium. Izayoi aside, the character personalities aren't well established either, in-fact even as badass as Izayoi is, they all feel relatively... hollow?

With proper studio effort behind this, it could be a real contender for anime of the year already, but as an adaptation, it's rather halfhearted.

But you know what? When I see that ED every week, I can't help but enjoy the show. Still, I don't rate until after something has finished anyway.
 
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TheUnknownOne said:
A-Knight said:
TheUnknownOne said:
Richard_Omega said:
for those of you talking about stereotype. ask yourself this question. what is not stereotyped? if you can answer that, go ahead and make your own show, you might make millions.


Um, being a stereotype and being well-written are completely different things. Firstly, there actually are stories without stereotypes and secondly, you can give a character development to break them away from a stereotype, which is what a lot of well-written series do. The matter of fact is, for Mondaiji, it feels like characters were created based on that stereotype, they offer nothing new and are extremely cliche. There are a multitude of stories of which characters could be put in a stereotype, however are given enough to seperate them from the stereotype or put their character above such stereotypes. Until recently actually, I would find it hard to name a series that doesn't have at least one character go above and beyond the stereotype.

The main point is, it's not because it's stereotypical that is the problem. It's because the characters character is basically the stereotype; that's all. Nothing more, at all.

Also, no. Don't be smart, you will not make millions for writing a show simply because of characters not being stereotypical. That is not how the industry works, especially not in Japan where bad writing and moe is fluctuating. The characters in Psycho Pass have no general stereotype and were DEFINITELY NOT created on the basis of a stereotype and the sales for that weren't staggering at all. I actually don't know if we'll see an anime like that within the next year, which is disheartening.


Most character stereotypes come with scripted development, so development doesn't mean that they go beyond their stereotype. You don't need development to make a good character, and it is often the case that bad development derails characters.

Mondaij does do something that a lot of series don't do though. How many anime can claim to have three main cast members who are all competent, well-used, and shine in their own way and are not made into butt-monkeys, bitches, etc? I suppose kurousagi is somewhat of a butt-monkey, but she isn't one of the three chosen kids.

Also, Psycho Pass is full of stereotypes, just "darker and edgier" ones.


Bad development can make a bad character, but to say good development doesn't make a good character? I'm confused, but I see what you're trying to say, somewhat, so sorry if I misunderstand. Characters can develop into someone else entirely as the story progresses, so I have no clue why you'd still consider them in that stereotype if per say, Asuka, the stuck up, high and mighty princess experienced poverty and changed into someone who values and respects money, maids and a house and all that.

I disagree with Mondaiji doing something a lot of series don't. Kurosagi has still yet to do anything worthwhile and Leticia has shown to be nothing but a burden who used to be powerful and now even reduced to a maid role. In fact, I think the action scenes for You and Asuka seem forced and basically, unnecessary. Everything they've done, Izayoi can do better. I for one find a balanced cast where everyone is useful much more impressive than simply giving screen time to each character.

I am eager to know the stereotypes, other than maybe Kogami, I'm not seeing them. Either way, they're definitely not prominent or public common knowledge, unlike all the ones in Mondaiji.

Edit: Though honestly, this is a children's show (I think), so expecting good development is in my own fault, not the shows. Maybe it's because how bad this season is that I'm being so critical.


I meant that you don't need development to make a good character. Good development does help, but it isn't needed. The rich kid going through a poverty streak is also a overused and usually badly done scripted development that largely springs from wealth envy. Besides, Asuka is already pretty different from that standard rich girl archetype in that she actively gave up privilege to fight it out on her own effort.

Kurousagi and Leticia aren't part of the problem kids, so some ragging on them should be acceptable. You and Asuka aren't really hard-line fighters like Izayoi is. They're more of logistical support/secondary fighters while Izayoi is the powerful leader who jumps in to fight when needed. You and Asuka's competencies do shine out, and they aren't annoying bitches like most modern shounen female leads. Episode 5 really showed this well as all three were needed to win the game under its conditions. Izayoi does stand out more, but he is the MC. His character is about how he impacts and warps the world through his action and planning. It's good to have a MC that drives the plot instead of being driven by it. When you look at most modern shounen where the male leads are emasculated and/or inept and jerked around by annoying female leads, Mondaiji does use its core cast better. Classical 80s shounen are definitely better than Mondaiji, but most of the crap in modern shounen is inferior.

As for Psycho Pass, it's typical Robocop/Dredd-esque dystopian police future stuff. The stereotypes are more of the grimdark/hard-edge types. They aren't commonly found in anime/manga, but they are in other mediums.
 
02-11-13, 12:00 AM

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Removed the quotes cause it got messy as hell. I do appreciate the logical and thought-out replies!

I meant that you don't need development to make a good character. Good development does help, but it isn't needed. The rich kid going through a poverty streak is also a overused and usually badly done scripted development that largely springs from wealth envy. Besides, Asuka is already pretty different from that standard rich girl archetype in that she actively gave up privilege to fight it out on her own effort.


Yes, you're right. It isn't needed, however that wasn't really the point. Because there is no development, the characters seem superficial and based on stereotypes, a common problem for animes these days. They bring nothing new to the stereotype either and are just generally tedious characters we've seen before. Of course, I generally stay clear of these, however because of the initial interesting premise, I stayed with Mondaiji, which is why I'm getting grated at the stereotypical characters.

Kurousagi and Leticia aren't part of the problem kids, so some ragging on them should be acceptable. You and Asuka aren't really hard-line fighters like Izayoi is. They're more of logistical support/secondary fighters while Izayoi is the powerful leader who jumps in to fight when needed. You and Asuka's competencies do shine out, and they aren't annoying bitches like most modern shounen female leads. Episode 5 really showed this well as all three were needed to win the game under its conditions. Izayoi does stand out more, but he is the MC. His character is about how he impacts and warps the world through his action and planning. It's good to have a MC that drives the plot instead of being driven by it. When you look at most modern shounen where the male leads are emasculated and/or inept and jerked around by annoying female leads, Mondaiji does use its core cast better. Classical 80s shounen are definitely better than Mondaiji, but most of the crap in modern shounen is inferior.


I agree that the author is doing well in balancing the screen time, but I disagree that it's anything truly praiseworthy, in the end, Izayoi's over powered abilities is grating and annoying. As of yet, he actually has nothing to do with the universe they're in and as such as specifically helping a community, despite their being other communities in just as much, if not even worse situations. His drive to help Kurosagi is poorly written and comes down to getting thrill out of this new world, hardly making him a character of which one can care for. His sole character is basically him being a "badass" as some put it, which is pretty common, contrary to what people are saying.

Though I must say, the equal screen time is enduring and allows fans to like any character and not feel like they're being left behind. Much better than Sword Art Online which introduces a range of characters to only give the screen time to one. So I can definitely see there why people can like it.

Also we should be comparing shounen action/fantasy to shounen action/fantasy, not shounen romance or the likes where the writing of per say screen time is pretty different, of which, I'd say a majority handle the core cast pretty well in most shounen action, which Kurosagi ultimately is a part of. Leticia, not so much; as of yet at least, so I'll give you that. There haven't really been many modern shounen action/fanasy, at least I haven't viewed any.

You are right with Asuka though, she isn't completely within the stuck-up rich girl Archetype, but she's definitely in that region.

As for Psycho Pass, it's typical Robocop/Dredd-esque dystopian police future stuff. The stereotypes are more of the grimdark/hard-edge types. They aren't commonly found in anime/manga, but they are in other mediums.


The only one I can think that resemble any American detective story is Tomomi Masaoka and that's pushing it. Either way, I think the problem lies wherein that Mondaiji, like a lot of other manga/anime/light novel are adopting very, very common stereotypical characters. When an anime cast has 60-70%+ girls of which can fit into a stereotype that is prominent through out the industry, it becomes somewhat irking.
 
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I thought I had better things to do with my time, but people actually took time to come up with (what they think) is reasoned responses to the threads idiotic question...

just... wow
 
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