Why is this so liked?

A-Knight said:
This anime totally breaks the abusive female-lame male lead shit that has been plaguing shounen for the past few years. It was a device made to cater to slobbering masochistic otaku, and it needs to die. Also, the plot can go beyond the terrible formula of "lose, go emo, train, win with plot armor" since the main cast is competent.

This show knows how to use it's characters too. Izayoi is badass and strong, but he needed Asuka and You's help to win the game in episode 5. Each of the three mains is competent in his/her own way and gets to shine, Izayoi more so, but it's to be expected since he's the central MC.

azzuRe said:


Err.. abusive female and lame male lead is not typical to 'shounen' genre, it is existed harem genre, it is existed in ecchi genre, but not on ALL shounen genre, especially in action genre where typical shining knight in a white horse cliche is still abused to this day.
Also I see this series has plot armor as thick as basement cellar. Heck, that is the reason I can enjoyed this show, you don't have to make sense of everything, and Izayoi is a god with nigh invulnearability. Izayoi don't need anyone, he only needs someone or something to entertain him.

Just like Zeus loathe at puny mortals that tries to defies him.
Haha, Izayoi will teach you a lesson with his godly fists.

A-Knight said:

Izayoi doesn't really have plot armor. Plot armor is when a character performs way outside the realm of their established ability because the plot demands it. Good example is sudden power ups during fights or winning because you are more "determined" than the other guy. Izayoi is just a really strong established character.

MagicFlier said:
because overpowered protagonists

penguindrum264 said:
If people like the show because of how "badass" Izayoi is, then why doesn't Hagure Yuusha no Estetica have a higher score cause Ousawa Akatsuki is way more badass than Izayoi, haha.

NihonFalcom said:


Still better than Kirito.

Sophilia said:
Haters gonna hate.

A-Knight said:

Harem and ecchi are shounen sub-genres, and they are included in what I said anyway.

azzuRe said:


No, Izayoi is a god. A deus ex machina. Strong established character would be an understatement.

manuxel said:




I agree he may be a stereotype, but not as used as others.

also
"you are watching way too much anime to find enjoyment out of seeing a main character not abused"

I am watching too much anime because I like anime too much.

penguindrum264 said:
If people like the show because of how "badass" Izayoi is, then why doesn't Hagure Yuusha no Estetica have a higher score cause Ousawa Akatsuki is way more badass than Izayoi, haha.

Richard_Omega said:
for those of you talking about stereotype. ask yourself this question. what is not stereotyped? if you can answer that, go ahead and make your own show, you might make millions.

TheUnknownOne said:


Um, being a stereotype and being well-written are completely different things. Firstly, there actually are stories without stereotypes and secondly, you can give a character development to break them away from a stereotype, which is what a lot of well-written series do. The matter of fact is, for Mondaiji, it feels like characters were created based on that stereotype, they offer nothing new and are extremely cliche. There are a multitude of stories of which characters could be put in a stereotype, however are given enough to seperate them from the stereotype or put their character above such stereotypes. Until recently actually, I would find it hard to name a series that doesn't have at least one character go above and beyond the stereotype.

The main point is, it's not because it's stereotypical that is the problem. It's because the characters character is basically the stereotype; that's all. Nothing more, at all.

Also, no. Don't be smart, you will not make millions for writing a show simply because of characters not being stereotypical. That is not how the industry works, especially not in Japan where bad writing and moe is fluctuating. The characters in Psycho Pass have no general stereotype and were DEFINITELY NOT created on the basis of a stereotype and the sales for that weren't staggering at all. I actually don't know if we'll see an anime like that within the next year, which is disheartening.

azzuRe said:
No, Izayoi is a god. A deus ex machina. Strong established character would be an understatement.

TheUnknownOne said:
Characters like Izayoi destroy opportunities like good writing, and that's what people like. Difficulty? Struggle? Haha!

Though I'm sure if you get all the averages of each series on MAL and add them up and get the average for that, I'd predict it'd be somewhere in the 7's anyway. People tend to rate higher than they should.

A-Knight said:


Most character stereotypes come with scripted development, so development doesn't mean that they go beyond their stereotype. You don't need development to make a good character, and it is often the case that bad development derails characters.

Mondaij does do something that a lot of series don't do though. How many anime can claim to have three main cast members who are all competent, well-used, and shine in their own way and are not made into butt-monkeys, bitches, etc? I suppose kurousagi is somewhat of a butt-monkey, but she isn't one of the three chosen kids.

Also, Psycho Pass is full of stereotypes, just "darker and edgier" ones.

TheUnknownOne said:


Bad development can make a bad character, but to say good development doesn't make a good character? I'm confused, but I see what you're trying to say, somewhat, so sorry if I misunderstand. Characters can develop into someone else entirely as the story progresses, so I have no clue why you'd still consider them in that stereotype if per say, Asuka, the stuck up, high and mighty princess experienced poverty and changed into someone who values and respects money, maids and a house and all that.

I disagree with Mondaiji doing something a lot of series don't. Kurosagi has still yet to do anything worthwhile and Leticia has shown to be nothing but a burden who used to be powerful and now even reduced to a maid role. In fact, I think the action scenes for You and Asuka seem forced and basically, unnecessary. Everything they've done, Izayoi can do better. I for one find a balanced cast where everyone is useful much more impressive than simply giving screen time to each character.

I am eager to know the stereotypes, other than maybe Kogami, I'm not seeing them. Either way, they're definitely not prominent or public common knowledge, unlike all the ones in Mondaiji.

Edit: Though honestly, this is a children's show (I think), so expecting good development is in my own fault, not the shows. Maybe it's because how bad this season is that I'm being so critical.

I meant that you don't need development to make a good character. Good development does help, but it isn't needed. The rich kid going through a poverty streak is also a overused and usually badly done scripted development that largely springs from wealth envy. Besides, Asuka is already pretty different from that standard rich girl archetype in that she actively gave up privilege to fight it out on her own effort.

Kurousagi and Leticia aren't part of the problem kids, so some ragging on them should be acceptable. You and Asuka aren't really hard-line fighters like Izayoi is. They're more of logistical support/secondary fighters while Izayoi is the powerful leader who jumps in to fight when needed. You and Asuka's competencies do shine out, and they aren't annoying bitches like most modern shounen female leads. Episode 5 really showed this well as all three were needed to win the game under its conditions. Izayoi does stand out more, but he is the MC. His character is about how he impacts and warps the world through his action and planning. It's good to have a MC that drives the plot instead of being driven by it. When you look at most modern shounen where the male leads are emasculated and/or inept and jerked around by annoying female leads, Mondaiji does use its core cast better. Classical 80s shounen are definitely better than Mondaiji, but most of the crap in modern shounen is inferior.

As for Psycho Pass, it's typical Robocop/Dredd-esque dystopian police future stuff. The stereotypes are more of the grimdark/hard-edge types. They aren't commonly found in anime/manga, but they are in other mediums.

Iasuru said:
Decent anime but I'm still not into it. I feel that sometimes it tries too hard to be humourous. Male leads looks OP like SAO OP. What's the point of watching the anime if you know he's gonna win any fight.

Num1dad_Asura said:
they are 90% of the time used for fanservice or other moe crap.

Num1dad_Asura said:

How he wins the fight maybe? To me that's where interest lies. How is this MC anything like SAO MC, Kirito wins his fight through the sheer use of his plot armor while Izayoi uses his given skills, not to mention Izayoi's character is a 100% more likable than Kirito's, at least to me.

Dessiato said:


That's exactly what they are in this show.

Num1dad_Asura said:

In other shows recently the female characters main and sometimes only appeal is that their either fanservice or moe material. Here they are actually useful and relevant to the overall goal and fun to watch without driving on the moe and fanservice card.

Num1dad_Asura said:
they are 90% of the time used for fanservice or other moe crap.

DarkFireblaze28 said:
Well for instance the main Character is Cool,Badass and not a complete wimp like all the animes main characters these days.