| Lol Elfen Lied smart Lol!!! And if people are getting all butt-hurt over someone disagreeing with them over the greatest anime ever, they're probably taking things a little too seriously. Especially since most people who would say that Naruto or One Piece are the greatest anime ever have most likely only watched Naruto or One Piece. |
Baman said: This flowchart answers all your questions;  I am okay being a plebeian. Hm...yeah, OP.... You dislike anime fans that shove their belief down your throat? Carry on. |
 Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
Corleone said: I stopped caring about things like that a long time ago, there will always be people to hate every single thing on this earth, and you cannot stop it. Just enjoy the animu. daintybiscuit said: dude don't even sweat it. you are so angry that it festered into a massive rant. I can almost hear you get more and more pissed off. Assholes are everywhere - don't let it ruin your enjoyment. |
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philipmarie said: This also counts of course to people who show disdain towards others because they love these more mainstream titles. Someone actually said that One Piece is better than this manga I won't mention. Everyone asked him why. He said 'because, it's obvious'. It's not a good image of the fan community and it won't appeal non-fans to it either especially since I did hear One Piece focuses alot on morality. Worse still if you regard yourself as the big fat god of all anime knowledge and pretend that people should listen to your opinions as they're seemingly always right. One person told me that he compares anime like SwordArt Online to works like Twilight just to make people 'think'. I told him no, you can't do that as SAO is far from being as bad as Twilight and that you're not the sole arbiter of all things anime. He immediately shut up after that. 1st quoted paragraph: I'm a little confused here. Is the person saying One Piece is the best the one showing disdain toward mainstream titles? Because there aren't many things more mainstream than One Piece. 2nd quoted paragraph: You're telling this guy he doesn't have the authority to say SAO is as bad as Twilight. But, you're the one telling him he CAN'T say something. And of course, why do you care what they say? If someone's being a fanboy/hipster, don't let it get to you. |
| Tl;Dr - I hate mainstream animes and you guys should feel bad for not being like me. Did I get it right? |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: I stopped reading when you mentioned youtube comments being the origin for your rage. Seriously, who reads those AND gets angry about them? This. But I think when people tell stop worshiping Naruto or Bleach as the greatest anime ever are quite right, and on the contrary those comments are to entourage you to broaden your horizons. But you mention youtube, which has heavy western audiences, so yea, in those lands Naruto and Bleach are worshiped and over hyped to death, that super annoying. As Bebiop or Monster while not the bets ever are loved by western fans, so yea, they are extraordinary examples on whre you can start yo broaden your horizon. Watch more anime, pre-2000s so you know what anime wa sand currently is and can have more tools to judge anime. Higurashi said: I can agree to an extent, but there's no reason for you to care what these people think. Fanboys generally will do anything to try to explain why their favourite series are "the best", even if that means insulting the intelligence of those that don't like their favourites as much as they do. Personally my favourites are simply the series I got the most enjoyment out of and if people don't like it, that's their problem. Yes, no one cares much about others FAVORITES, but when said fans (fanboys or not) start calling their favorites THE BEST, there theres the issue, because someone who has watched more can easily tell you theres no way xxxx series is THE BEST when you have XXXXX. Most of the grips are that fans are blind to their favorites, very few can be objective (yes, its possible, because favorites should be =/= from BEST) and have the "experience/Knowledge" to say, look, I LOVED say.....xxxx or xxxxx BUT theres no way in hell they are the BEST when you have xxx (i.e MACROSS - or CAPTAIN HARLOCK, |
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| What even is intelligent anime? |
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Shrabster said: I was expecting the "mature anime" guy to start talking about Legend of the Galactic Heroes. |
| Mini-list for you: 1.Fans are common to make the money and the shit of the anime. It's not surprising to see blind fans of a certain work to go crazy about a single offense/dislike towards it (Hell, even I get a little annoyed when people complains about something for no reason), so I do believe that your acts are getting you to nowhere. Why would you want to talk about other animes with them anyway? Adversiting to Otaku world? 2.Some Mainstream animes DOES have intelligence, and I watched One Piece to around 200 and stopped for secondary reasons. One piece does bring alot of themes in their world (Slavery, Racism, etc) but it's often overlooked by the childish graphics (And don't complain, Oda knows how to draw their stuff, and some characters are damn unique). In a ironic way though, even if the story is somewhat happy-go-luck, the world they live in is crapsack. Same goes for Naruto. 3."Bad" Fans are everywhere, the difference is that there some more on a certain works than another. In a way that someone complains is because it's mainstream, other people just watches because it's mainstream. You should pay attention to the more worthy fans, which know what the hell is the author doing and truly enjoying the show. 4.A better explanation of the "3". Popularity is totally linked to fans, especially: 4.1.Some watch because it's popular (A.K.A some hipsters) 4.2.The Show grown popularity and now it sucks ( http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsPopularNowItSucks ) 4.3. People hate it because it popular. However, you do bring good points. People hate mainstream fans and mainstream fans hate people that talk crap about their anime. But hey, why should fix it? Some are really fun to read. I understood of what you said, but now that you gave up of your rage and spoke it honestly, I give my advice to ignore all the fans and watch the anime you like. |
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NihonFalcom said: What even is intelligent anime? The problem is that this word itself is used on a wide variety of ways. All I can believe is: 1.How well it is able to manage the themes/symbolism it tries to proposes. 2.The "Theme itself". 3.The ability of the characters in general to answer the problems in the most logical way (that's why people often consider Death Note as being extremely intelligent, becausse L and Light is doing a Speed Chess with a Luck Gambit almost all near damn the time.) I think this is often misguided with Mature-Content = Intelligent. Which is far from the truth. |
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| Venerable OP! O Pure Child! How long have we awaited your arrival, Prophet of Truth. Now with your sagacious soul, lead us now to the Final Peace! We shall go forth in our great quest. We shall free the Online Fandom! Wondrous One, we shall have a CRUSADE to sunder all ignorance, all obstinancy; that putrid prejudice and spite which consumes our blessed Animedom! Let it be known, that even those who have lived in broken fandom and hatred, those who know not yet the true path of a believer of Anime. Those who love or hate in knowledge or ignorance of any form of wonderous 2D magick, by the power of the Big 3, the Blob, the Gayshit and Holy Mecca; All who are willing to be rescinded of their past sins, undertake this journey for glory against the crimes of communities which know no limit, those whose blind hate and avaricous piracy know no bounds! As we set forth against all that is wrong with Animedom We cry unto the heavenly production studios; "Let our sharpened Keyboards pierce true and strong as we carve out our vainglorious piece of Internet. Send forth the messengers of Victory, the Seiyuu and based Animators, let them sing our praise and draw our story! For ours shall be the Kingdom of Anime, and we shall not be stopped. The Producers will it!" Lest any fan think different, know that we walk in the hopes that all shall be enlightened and released from their bondage to live in freedom and equality. To be in a land of peace which values truth and justice over all else. In our pursuit of happiness there will be no discussion and no opinion heard. Let no talk be had, no mistakes made. We will have only the final sanctuary of glorious silence. In reaching Instrumentality we shall succeed where the previous Chosen have failed. Let our enemy heed the words of our blessed Messiah, Yamato, "'It didn't have to end like this.". |
| ^ What anime bible is he reading? |
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
Ckan said: Venerable OP! O Pure Child! How long have we awaited your arrival, Prophet of Truth. Now with your sagacious soul, lead us now to the Final Peace! We shall go forth in our great quest. We shall free the Online Fandom! Wondrous One, we shall have a CRUSADE to sunder all ignorance, all obstinancy; that putrid prejudice and spite which consumes our blessed Animedom! Let it be known, that even those who have lived in broken fandom and hatred, those who know not yet the true path of a believer of Anime. Those who love or hate in knowledge or ignorance of any form of wonderous 2D magick, by the power of the Big 3, the Blob, the Gayshit and Holy Mecca; All who are willing to be rescinded of their past sins, undertake this journey for glory against the crimes of communities which know no limit, those whose blind hate and avaricous piracy know no bounds! As we set forth against all that is wrong with Animedom We cry unto the heavenly production studios; "Let our sharpened Keyobards pierce true and strong as we carve out our vainglorious piece of Internet. Send forth the messengers of Victory, the Seiyuu and based Animators, let them sing our praise and draw our story! For ours shall be the Kingdom of Anime, and we shall not be stopped. The Lords will it!" Lest any fan think different, know that we walk in the hopes that all shall be enlightened and released from their bondage to live in freedom and equality. To be in a land of peace which values truth and right over all else. In our pursuit of happiness there will be no discussion and no opinion heard. Let no talk be had, no mistakes made. We will have only the final sanctuary of glorious silence. In reaching Instrumentality we shall succeed where the previous Chosen have failed. Let our enemy heed the words of our blessed Messiah, Yamato, "'It didn't have to end like this.". *Thumbs up* Hei Britannial YAMATO! |
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Ckan said: Wait, what, when did a battleship wreck turned spaceship start talking?Let our enemy heed the words of our blessed Messiah, Yamato, "'It didn't have to end like this.". |
| I simply embrace I am a plebeian anime viewer. Problem solved for me. |
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
Z-flame said: Tavor said: We all are. Until we complete Inferno Cop.I simply embrace I am a plebeian anime viewer. Problem solved for me. Which will never end. Generations upon generations will feast their eyes on the all mighty Inferno Cop. |
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
philipmarie said: Uh, pretty sure I just did. So yea, it seems like I can.You can't call someone a plebian because they haven't wathced a certain show. But every good title has well, something good in it and everyone has his own reasons why he loves a certain show so you really can't in the end hate on someone simply for liking an anime. Oh, of course you can hate someone for liking something. People hate each other for much less than that.Tavor said: See, this is what it should be like. If only all the plebs would know their place, everyone would be happy, and we wouldn't have all these little upstarts claiming DERPDERP X ANIMU IS THE BESTEST, et cetera.I simply embrace I am a plebeian anime viewer. Problem solved for me. Holy shit though, Inferno Cop, added to ptw. |
Baman said: Tavor said: See, this is what it should be like. If only all the plebs would know their place, everyone would be happy, and we wouldn't have all these little upstarts claiming DERPDERP X ANIMU IS THE BESTEST, et cetera.I simply embrace I am a plebeian anime viewer. Problem solved for me. Holy shit though, Inferno Cop, added to ptw. Indeed, which is why Inferno Cop was made, so that it aids in the cooperative ecosystem between elitists and plebs. Win-win situation! Will take a few years to smooth it out of course, but the short-term effects are evident! |
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
philipmarie said: Thanks everyone for the replies. In order to clear some misconceptions, know I don't think One Piece is bad AT ALL. In fact, I think it looks good and is on my to read list. To whoever said that Legend of Galactic heroes is great and anyone who doesn't watch it is a plebian or something: while I see the joke, it's the same reason I wrote this thread in the first place. You can't call someone a plebian because they haven't wathced a certain show. I do think some anime are deeper and more well written than others, that I will not deny. But every good title has well, something good in it and everyone has his own reasons why he loves a certain show so you really can't in the end hate on someone simply for liking an anime. Yeah, you guys are right in that I'm overreacting to all these hateful comments. True story, I was debating with a militant atheist once (no offence to normal atheists out there, I have plenty of nice atheist friends online and I don't want any reliious debates here) about religion on you tube. Cut a couple of months later and I find he actually posted a video 'refuting' my comments. It's unelievable the extent some people will go to. You can call them a plebian. You just shouldn't. Not seriously, anyway. And like you said, it's just a joke. |
| We are blessed with various fans that want to support their own shows |
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| First world problems. |
| shush plebs |
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NihonFalcom said: shush plebs Sorry, you're a pleb too! |
| “Suppose, gentlemen, that man is not stupid.” |
WildCatTomo said: I wish i could have the time back that i wasted reading this thread, who really cares if anime is "intelligent" or not? OH SHI-, oh wait, never mind. |
Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
WildCatTomo said: I wish i could have the time back that i wasted reading this thread, who really cares if anime is "intelligent" or not? People actually read the pages in between the first and the last? I am shocked. |
| “Suppose, gentlemen, that man is not stupid.” |
Tavor said: I know, I see it too. It could possibly be against the rules.WildCatTomo said: I wish i could have the time back that i wasted reading this thread, who really cares if anime is "intelligent" or not? OH SHI-, oh wait, never mind. |
     Short of the day: Monotonous Purgatory(MAL) ✰Public Domain Club | One Piece Club✰ |
| Stop caring about other people's opinions. |
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Tavor said: I simply embrace I am a plebeian anime viewer. Problem solved for me. Looked at list Noticed you gave SAO a 10 but also noticed you gave Ergo Proxy a 10 Got confused |
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Shrabster said: Tavor said: I simply embrace [that] I am a plebeian anime viewer. Problem solved for me. Looked at list Noticed you gave SAO a 10 but also noticed you gave Ergo Proxy a 10 Got confused Reread his quote and cease to be confused. |
| “Suppose, gentlemen, that man is not stupid.” |
| tl;dr OP.. But I'm pretty sure arguing tastes is already established as a stupid thing to do... like who takes anybody seriously that actually believes they have "better" taste? |
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| This attitude does extend beyond YouTube comments. You can also see it in places like ANN, colonydrop, AnimeWorldOrder, or anywhere else that the "old guard" of Western anime fandom hangs out. Basically, these people are bitter that "their" fandom and "their" anime have changed with the times, so they add vacuous fanbase-bashing criticism along the lines of "anyone who likes this show (that has any hint of moe, fanservice, or childishness) is an autistic creepy loser pedophile basement-dwelling virgin with no job, life, or social skills." These same modern-anime haters then turn around and sing the praises of lowbrow "splatter&tits" 80s and 90s OVAs like Apocalypse Zero, MD Geist, Mad Bull 34, and Angel Cop. Essentially, they're a bunch of hateful hypocrites, and the more ignored they are, the better. But at the same time, can we maybe admit that Bleach and Naruto probably aren't the best anime ever? It's not a good sign when huge portions of the shows' own fandoms hate huge chunks of episodes. Not commenting on One Piece as I haven't seen very much of it, though it may well be the best anime that strings together a mostly-continuous plot for such a long run. DateYutaka said: So I guess whatever the free market decides is right, right? look at the little hipster hating mainstream tv anime cause [ at least in one pieces] cases do what tv anime is supposed to do natssuu said: As is everything else that gets discussed on this site, so I guess we should just shut it all down and spend all our time qq-ing over commercials that play Sarah Maclachlan music and beg for aid to random LDCs that's just going to get hijacked by corrupt warlords and dictators anyway.First world problems. |
on Zalis said: This attitude does extend beyond YouTube comments. You can also see it in places like ANN, colonydrop, AnimeWorldOrder, or anywhere else that the "old guard" of Western anime fandom hangs out. Basically, these people are bitter that "their" fandom and "their" anime have changed with the times, so they add vacuous fanbase-bashing criticism along the lines of "anyone who likes this show (that has any hint of moe, fanservice, or childishness) is an autistic creepy loser pedophile basement-dwelling virgin with no job, life, or social skills." These same modern-anime haters then turn around and sing the praises of lowbrow "splatter&tits" 80s and 90s OVAs like Apocalypse Zero, MD Geist, Mad Bull 34, and Angel Cop. Essentially, they're a bunch of hateful hypocrites, and the more ignored they are, the better. But at the same time, can we maybe admit that Bleach and Naruto probably aren't the best anime ever? It's not a good sign when huge portions of the shows' own fandoms hate huge chunks of episodes. Not commenting on One Piece as I haven't seen very much of it, though it may well be the best anime that strings together a mostly-continuous plot for such a long run. DateYutaka said: So I guess whatever the free market decides is right, right? look at the little hipster hating mainstream tv anime cause [ at least in one pieces] cases do what tv anime is supposed to do natssuu said: As is everything else that gets discussed on this site, so I guess we should just shut it all down and spend all our time qq-ing over commercials that play Sarah Maclachlan music and beg for aid to random LDCs that's just going to get hijacked by corrupt warlords and dictators anyway.First world problems. Pretty much this. If it weren't for the two extremes mentioned here (elitist that can only praise a show if it's from 90s and back, and shounen fans that refuse to believe anything could ever top the big 3) the anime community would be a lot better off. |
ShrabsterFeb 1, 2013 2:53 AM
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| hmmm....I tend to find the situation the other way around. People who have watched a bit of anime get pretentious and spout about how mainstream anime are "inferior" because they lack "meaning" or "intelligence". Yeah, people who say that are stupid. Just because an anime doesn't have extreme depth, symbolism, or a complicated backstory doesn't necessarily make it overrated shit. People think their opinion on anime is superior because they only watch "intelligent" anime. Don't make me laugh. So you prefer to watch classic anime like GITS, Lain, Paranoia Agent, Legend of Galactic Heroes, or Revolutionary Girl Utena so that you don't get associated with annoying mainstream anime fans. In turn, popular anime become unreasonably notorious from talk by these "experienced" fans. They try to use logic to "prove" that an anime is inferior by claiming it has cheezy romance, plot holes, or dull characters. Yeah, they call those opinions, not facts, retards. What's really annoying is when you don't like an anime like Penguindrum or Serial Experiments Lain, and they'll say it's just because you aren't sophisticated enough to understand it. Wrong. I fully understood these anime, but they just didn't spark my interest. It's called a matter of taste. Countless times I've been called a moron or stupid simply because I like an anime that someone else didn't such as Elfen Lied, Angel Beats!, or Bleach. It doesn't matter how they try to discredit it using logic. In the end it's not like it actually establishes a fact like they think it does. Arrogant pricks such as these are far more annoying than new anime viewers and those who like SAO and Naruto if you ask me. |
BTBAMFeb 1, 2013 2:37 AM
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| OP, I think that's true for fans of anything. You're going to have those fans that look down upon others because they feel what they watch, play, root for, etc. is inferior to what they watch. It's been like that since the beginning of time and will continue to be like that in the future. With that being said, I do agree with you on a lot of points. Yes, those fans are annoying. In my opinion, there is no such thing as a "greatest anime ever made." Anime is incredibly subjective and while some people will like the story, character, themes of a series, others will find something to nitpick against it or it's just not in their interest. I've ran into countless people that try and tell me that NGE or Fate/Zero is the greatest anime ever made or look down upon my rather low opinions of both series. I do believe that you can put an anime in the category of "one of the greatest anime ever made" but "THE greatest anime ever made?" I have a hard time coming to terms with that. In regards to mainstream comparison, it's almost impossible to compare something that's mainstream to a series with a short run. That's about the equivalent of comparing The Following to Law and Order or NYPD Blue. When something hits the mainstream, it's generally stretched out longer than it should be because it's a marketable product that can sell. Mainstream anime such as Bleach, Naruto, One Piece are marketable to all audiences with a variety of interests, whereas something like Monster or Cowboy Bebop have a very narrow demographic as well as concisely written stories. All-in-all, it's best to just ignore those fans that look down upon anime because they find it unintelligent. They aren't usually the type of people you'd want to have a conversation with in the first place. |
Zalis said: natssuu said: As is everything else that gets discussed on this site, so I guess we should just shut it all down and spend all our time qq-ing over commercials that play Sarah Maclachlan music and beg for aid to random LDCs that's just going to get hijacked by corrupt warlords and dictators anyway.First world problems. I know right, we're so in sync. |
| @ BTBAM Whew! Same thing applies... TsukikageRan said: Now that you've got that off your chest, my dear boy, do the sensible thing and watch more anime instead of wasting precious time thinking about others who you don't care much about, don't feed or shelter you or just doesn't make your day. Live a little. Show those people that regardless of their opinion, YOU are the boss of what you like - never them. Now cheer up and remember that it's better to watch anime than to dwell on this matter. |
| you could just not give a fuck maybe |
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| OP seems really insecure. |
| I'm thoroughly enjoying the charts and videos being posted. Keep em coming. |
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BTBAM said: hmmm....I tend to find the situation the other way around. People who have watched a bit of anime get pretentious and spout about how mainstream anime are "inferior" because they lack "meaning" or "intelligence". Yeah, people who say that are stupid. Just because an anime doesn't have extreme depth, symbolism, or a complicated backstory doesn't necessarily make it overrated shit. People think their opinion on anime is superior because they only watch "intelligent" anime. Don't make me laugh. So you prefer to watch classic anime like GITS, Lain, Paranoia Agent, Legend of Galactic Heroes, or Revolutionary Girl Utena so that you don't get associated with annoying mainstream anime fans. In turn, popular anime become unreasonably notorious from talk by these "experienced" fans. They try to use logic to "prove" that an anime is inferior by claiming it has cheezy romance, plot holes, or dull characters. Yeah, they call those opinions, not facts, retards. What's really annoying is when you don't like an anime like Penguindrum or Serial Experiments Lain, and they'll say it's just because you aren't sophisticated enough to understand it. Wrong. I fully understood these anime, but they just didn't spark my interest. It's called a matter of taste. Countless times I've been called a moron or stupid simply because I like an anime that someone else didn't such as Elfen Lied, Angel Beats!, or Bleach. It doesn't matter how they try to discredit it using logic. In the end it's not like it actually establishes a fact like they think it does. Arrogant pricks such as these are far more annoying than new anime viewers and those who like SAO and Naruto if you ask me. Just remember that it's runs both ways, for every elitist douche who loves obscure titles from the past, there is also a rabid moe and/or shounen fanboy who sees no flaws in their favorite show whether they exist or not. The problem happens when close mindedness sets in and a person completely refuses to see or hear any other views. Regardless, no one has the right to call anyone an idiot for what they watch and enjoy, that's just foolish. You can't really argue whether or not an anime is actually good or bad, since it's all pretty much opinion. However you can argue the complexity and depth of one anime vs. another, but whether those make a show good or not is different matter entirely. On a side note I don't think plot holes are opinions lol, but I'm sure you didn't me to put that there. Also, can we consider Paranoia Agent a classic yet? I mean I guess 2004 is old by anime standards and I certainly love it enough to consider it that. And finally as per your request-  |
CursedDangerFeb 1, 2013 3:28 AM
| how i r8 1- crpy animee no gud 10- gud aniem, dep plot, lots of cute grls |
| I never really got mad over people who don't like the anime I watch, I've got used to it since I could admit I have quite a weird taste in anime. |
 "Only one with the courage to shoulder the burden of their own fate can be called a hero.." |
Ineptia said: Shrabster said: Tavor said: I simply embrace [that] I am a plebeian anime viewer. Problem solved for me. Looked at list Noticed you gave SAO a 10 but also noticed you gave Ergo Proxy a 10 Got confused Reread his quote and cease to be confused. I feel confused here... |
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| tl;dr I got the jest of what you are saying but no.. you posting this is just adding fuel to the fire. |
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| I agree, man. Take a look at this. http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=35120 |
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