Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann Episode 27 Discussion
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View Poll Results: Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann Episode 27 Discussion
| 5 out of 5: Loved it! | 1132 | 83.91% | |
| 4 out of 5: Liked it | 116 | 8.60% | |
| 3 out of 5: It was OK | 44 | 3.26% | |
| 2 out of 5: Disliked it | 19 | 1.41% | |
| 1 out of 5: Hated it | 38 | 2.82% |
Voters: 1349
#61
10-16-07, 4:15 PM
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WHO THE **** DO YOU THINK WE ARE?! |
#62
10-18-07, 6:28 AM
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Two people have voted hated it! Ehhh?! I'm putting those down to misclicks, surely! |
#63
10-19-07, 1:52 PM
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Offline Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 5 |
This anime have evreything. =] Even a nice ending! |
#64
10-19-07, 9:18 PM
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Offline Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 5 |
Nice? But Nia...vanished! :[ How is that nice? And Yoko got wrinkles! That's blasphemy...! |
#65
10-21-07, 7:36 AM
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Offline Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 46 |
I voted I hated it. It's everything Gainax, put in a blender, and I don't like Gainax. Cliches and caricatures everywhere. Ecchi. Action worthy of Saturday morning cartoons. Well, I just can't enjoy a show without at least a modicum of intelligence in it. I'm annoyed because I kept watching it even though I didn't like it because of all you folks telling me how great it was. |
#66
10-21-07, 11:09 AM
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Offline Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 483 |
It was ok, but I didn't like the battle "I throw galaxy at you!!'' <-WTF HE THROWED A FUCKING GALAXY AT ME?!?#!?!"#?"!¤#! How the hell he even can touch the fucking galaxy :S And this stupid my power is bigger than yours laser battle. :( From the point of where Kamina died the show has been so fucking boring and stupid, these new stupid looking star costumes (what they got from few episodes ago) crowned the whole shit. Well okay, this beats easily DBZ and My-Otome but there is still so much stuff I don't, like example if there would have no Nia and more comedy it would have been a lot better. :S |
#67
10-21-07, 11:35 AM
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Offline Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 46 |
Well, I'd agree with you if by comedy you mean things like the first time Gurren-Lagann "combined." |
#68
10-21-07, 12:40 PM
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Offline Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 80 |
waterfalls said: I voted I hated it. It's everything Gainax, put in a blender, and I don't like Gainax. Cliches and caricatures everywhere. Ecchi. Action worthy of Saturday morning cartoons. Well, I just can't enjoy a show without at least a modicum of intelligence in it. I'm annoyed because I kept watching it even though I didn't like it because of all you folks telling me how great it was. You're clearly oversimplifying the show's narrative construction, an element that went beyond the usual degree in animation to a level of satisfying symbolic progress and good storytelling. It's really a show that despite not being perfect manages to transcend the medium and becomes worthy of literary analysis. And yes, I'm willing to debate this if I must. As for the final battle, it's mostly a conjunction of far-fetched quantum pseudo-science, figurative experimentation and creative animation... probably my favorite sequence out of the entire series. |
#69
10-21-07, 12:50 PM
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Offline Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 1215 |
When you become as awesome as trowing galaxy's you dont have to make sense ;) |
#70
10-21-07, 1:08 PM
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mulderman said: When you become as awesome as trowing galaxy's you dont have to make sense ;) Going to have to put those three magical letters here... QFT |
#71
10-21-07, 1:20 PM
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7Th said: You're clearly oversimplifying the show's narrative construction, an element that went beyond the usual degree in animation to a level of satisfying symbolic progress and good storytelling. It's really a show that despite not being perfect manages to transcend the medium and becomes worthy of literary analysis. Why? |
#72
10-21-07, 1:40 PM
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waterfalls said: 7Th said: You're clearly oversimplifying the show's narrative construction, an element that went beyond the usual degree in animation to a level of satisfying symbolic progress and good storytelling. It's really a show that despite not being perfect manages to transcend the medium and becomes worthy of literary analysis. Why? For once, Gurren-Lagann is multifaceted. At the same time a creative criticism on the animation industry, an ode to life and death, an optimistic yet nihilist interpretation on the theory of evolution and the ultimate take on the traditional hero archetype, everything related of the simplistic theme of a drill. I’ll extend on this after I get back home since an old friend is in town right now and I made the promise of encountering with him. I’m really sorry to leave you hanging like this but I swear this isn’t an attempt to evade the discussion. |
#73
10-21-07, 9:02 PM
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As I declared, Gurren-Lagann is a multilayered creation that beyond the seemingly simplistic yet flamboyant exterior hides a bordering-in-the-literary storytelling creation that satisfactorily fulfills its task both as gripping narrative and as multiple clear in different degrees yet always subtle symbolic representations. Consider the spiral, the one definite motif of the entire construction. Unsurprisingly the professional Nakajima manages to integrate such a concept as the very definition of the show, a word that becomes an “everything”. So it is that a logarithmical figure becomes an integral part of the plot, the core of the progression structure and even the epicenter of the meta-fictional criticism. For the script, spirals represent DNA; an effectively straightforward condensation of the energy behind life and progress. This evolution is finally identified as a drill, the will to move forward and face the tomorrow. However, to advance a drill pierces and breaks, it destroys. The idea becomes ambiguous as the nihilistic reality of devastation hits home both in themes and storyline. There is a two faced well-plotted dilemma that exploits the cores of the Science-Fiction genre about the limitless future of humanity. Development is a synonym of death, plain and simple. The infinite power of mankind that may only lead us towards our demise is the source of inspiration for the lead character. Nevertheless, such a capacity decrees itself in a bath of wisdom and acceptance. As the words marking the finale appear on the screen we come across a message as hopeful as it is melancholic; a promise for possibilities of greatness that despite hard-work come along with sacrifice. The composition also follows the spiraling staircase towards the infinity. Starting from nothingness and climaxing in a battle of godlike machines for the future of the entire Universe. This pattern repeats itself thorough the entire show, be it in the writing composition or in its hardboiled knocker for the animation industry. I’m awaiting your response and will expand on my beliefs or argue about other aspects in the production if you wish to do so. |
#74
10-22-07, 1:23 AM
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If you don't get what's good about it, you probably never will. If you don't understand what's good about it at all you're probably prejudiced about it from the very beginning and therefor you ridicule alot of the things that have a deeper meaning and really make the series. 7Th summed it up very well, and I won't delve any deeper into it. |
#75
10-23-07, 4:00 AM
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You're finding meaning where there isn't any, because you liked the show. The DNA/drill/etc thing was just writers attaching a symbol to everything to make things seem mysterious, much like the S-symbol in Heroes or all sorts of crap in Lost. That's just lazy. That pattern of bigger and bigger is something you will only find in every anime with fighting in it ever. Now, the DNA analogy was something I had actual hope for. We have the beastmen and lordgenome and so on, and I thought it might be something intelligent involving the many sides to genetic engineering, but instead it's just a take on "evolution" with the same "depth" as X-men. |
#76
10-23-07, 5:06 AM
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Anyway, Skarith, 7th, I'm not writing to you, but because I would have wanted someone to write something like this so I wouldn't have wasted my time watching Tengen Toppa. And I've done enough for that. |
#77
10-23-07, 6:29 AM
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waterfalls said: You're finding meaning where there isn't any, because you liked the show. The DNA/drill/etc thing was just writers attaching a symbol to everything to make things seem mysterious, much like the S-symbol in Heroes or all sorts of crap in Lost. That's just lazy. That pattern of bigger and bigger is something you will only find in every anime with fighting in it ever. Now, the DNA analogy was something I had actual hope for. We have the beastmen and lordgenome and so on, and I thought it might be something intelligent involving the many sides to genetic engineering, but instead it's just a take on "evolution" with the same "depth" as X-men. And once again you lose yourself in selfish simplifications and remain oblivious to the true meaning and intention behind Lagann’s concept of “evolution” and its nihilistic undertones. The main thematic purpose of the terminology isn’t as simplistic as the pseudo-science focused behind a lazy take on “genetic engineering” or the show’s own spiraling helix that works as a limitless energy generator. It represents humanity's dangerous will to fight and move forward, the classical "science-fiction" ideal of adaptation and technological progress. Gurren-Lagann takes this concept and creates a positivistic song that doesn’t forget the destructive reality of mankind’s ability to move forward, a fair portrayal that depicts this particular cognition as both destruction and creation. Therein comes forth the existentialist transcendental subjection, a past that ties us down as much as it helps us move forward. Modified by 7Th, 10-23-07, 7:56 AM |
#78
10-23-07, 7:25 AM
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I don't see how you actually find it to be full of clichés, because if there's one thing I think everyone can agree on is that it's an highly original show and you don't have to be a fan of either to enjoy it. Once again I can only agree with what 7Th is saying, you obviously aren't getting alot of the finer points of the show. I get the feeling that you really didn't pay any attention to what was happening at all from what you're writing. Sure there are caricatures and ecchi, but that's only a small part of the show. While I may enjoy alot of the other aspects to the show other than just the deeper and intellectualy stimulating parts, Tengen Toppa sure has plenty of depth. Just take the fact that all the opposition simon and the others faced all had their own reasons for doing things and weren't necessarily wrong, bad or evil, that alone goes beyond most action animes out there today. And while you say that you're writing to everyone else so they "won't waste their time" watching Tengen Toppa I don't see why anyone interested in watching would actually come in here and read the last episode thread instead of reading reviews and checking the average score of the series. And if they ARE doing so, I'm posting so they WILL watch the series. However, I'm thinking you're writing this to confirm to yourself that it wasn't deep or intellectual at all by writing something bad about it and hoping to be able to outsmart whoever tries to say against you. I'm not saying that's bad of you, I just can't stand that kind of bullsh*t. Modified by Skarith, 10-23-07, 7:32 AM |
#79
10-23-07, 7:44 AM
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I'm not writing to everyone else. I'm writing to people somewhat like me. Don't bother trying to convince me, as I'm obviously a lost cause. Modified by waterfalls, 10-23-07, 7:53 AM |
#80
10-23-07, 7:56 AM
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waterfalls said: I'm not writing to everyone else. I'm writing to people somewhat like me. Don't bother trying to convince me, as I'm obviously a lost cause. Fair enough. |









