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01-11-13, 7:58 AM

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RandomPerson3 said:
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Honestly i don't get why i see so often some comments like ''Naruto is the BEST! One Piece totally sucks!!'' or just the opposite, or using Bleach as reference instead. I find hard to believe that some1 can love one of these shows while hating the others.
This.

It's because they are the same type of show that we compare them.
You can't compare let's say Clannad to Hellsing Ultimate.
I hate Fairy Tail because it's the same genre as One Piece, only way WAY worse. No moving plotline, No character-development. No standout characters. Same animation-style (anime, b4somebody says "the style in manga is different!") No interresting fights. etc.
The existence of my opinion disproofs your theory.


This.
All of my feels in one paragraph well done.
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01-11-13, 11:10 AM

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Han-yuu said:
If i remember correctly eating second fruit is like a suicide. It was also mentioned in Enies Lobby. I think it's just one of his devil fruit power and exception to system. Well. He didn't ate second one. He just somehow absorb it with his dark powers. Considering how powerful and special his devil fruit is, it might be just that without involving anything else, but i don't remember it was foreshadowed and i always thought a DF user can't get another DF power.
Yes it's been mentioned multiple times that you cannot eat another fruit. And from the wikia it says
"One rumor, as recounted by Jabra, is that Devil Fruits house actual devils that will fight when placed in proximity of one another. The resulting battle would destroy the users' bodies. Nevertheless, Blueno contradicted this claim, stating that Grand Line scientists have noted that the phenomenon of one's body destroying itself only occurs when one consumes two Devil Fruits. - Wikia"

Which I can't find it now, but apparently that's a part of some sort of Hindu folklore about the demons fighting each other. The only info about the devil fruit that we have gotten has been from experience(Luffy drowning, getting hit and having it hurt, weaknesses like Crocodile to water), from the book(that there are fruits documented like the suke suke fruit that Sanji wanted, which leads you to believe that they regrow or that they can determine that through some sort of scientific means), and from Vegapunk(him combining the dog and the cannon in the Baroque works arc, replicating the firepower of Kizaru's attack for the PXs), and rumor. Which the book and Vegapunk could be connected, so there is a lot that we don't know, we have never seen someone eat a second fruit, it's always just been a rumor that you can't.

Yeah we don't know what happened with BB and WB, I don't know if he would have just absorbed it through his powers. They've mentioned that it could be because of some sort of physical difference with BB's body, Marco mentioned that. I don't know why he used that tarp to cover himself and why it took so long, maybe he had to eat his heart or something like that.

Han-yuu said:
Well. I think it was luck but maybe Dragon, BUT now that everyone is saying it was Dragon. It make me think something else which is a bit relevant. If Dragon can bring down lightning and have full control over weather. I'm pretty sure it won't be criticized ever because dragon is a legendary like Roger - while i'm pretty fine with that - but i remember how much people criticized Kishi when legendary ninja like Madara summoned a metaphor on the sky. I saw even people cursing him. They were asking for a good explanation and how the hell it's possible. That's where i think people are really unfair when they do this. They can accept everything in their favorite series while talking about reasoning and hating other, which maybe an exact similar situation.
Well luck has always been in the story, that's something that Oda is not hiding and pretending that it wasn't. Luck and fate has been in the story since the beginning, and even the Black Beard pirates accept it and live by it. The whole idea of the Will of D is based on fate.

While I am not denying that it happens, I think you are looking at it backwards at least in this thread, it's not that since it's our favorite series that we overlook these things. It's that he always foreshadows and has been hiding things from the beginning, that that's part of why it's our favorite series, and we believe that Oda has something planned.

I can't say anything for Naruto and Kishimoto, because I never looked deep into it because it didn't catch me right away like One Piece's writing did. So I'm not going to pretend to know that.

Haki being used near the third episode, being used in Skypia, all throughout starting from saving Keimi and then finally being explained at 516. Jinbe letting Arlong loose being mentioned by the bounty hunters before the Arlong arc even when Jinbe wouldn't even be seen until after 400 and the issue of Jinbe letting Arlong loose until like 550(and having things like the shape of Arlong park being like Saboandy park). Even picking the VA for Rayleigh hundreds of episodes before he even shows up, and making sure that they didn't call him captain because it was not known yet that they were on Gol D Roger's ship and he didn't want to make a plot hole. All sorts of things like that that have been hidden for the big plot, even in the smaller arcs with Laboon, and even in a filler arc have I seen some slight foreshadowing for another filler arc.
Even I realize that some of the things about haki could be a plot hole or other things could be one, but am not criticizing because of some of the things that he has hidden that shows that he is able to plan ahead and he has never let the fans down. It's Odas ability as a writer and a mangaka that people believe in, not the series.
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01-11-13, 11:54 AM

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*reads user's above post*
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Just to check, you guys talking about dual devil fruit users (Teach); but does he actually only has 2 of them? I remember that was said that he was looking for strong Devil Fruit users, to steal their abilities, that's why Luffy should be careful ( i wonder who said that...Rayleigh or maybe Jinbei). So it should be possible for him to possess more than 2 abilities at same time i guess ._.
 
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IntroverTurtle said:
Han-yuu said:
If i remember correctly eating second fruit is like a suicide. It was also mentioned in Enies Lobby. I think it's just one of his devil fruit power and exception to system. Well. He didn't ate second one. He just somehow absorb it with his dark powers. Considering how powerful and special his devil fruit is, it might be just that without involving anything else, but i don't remember it was foreshadowed and i always thought a DF user can't get another DF power.
Yes it's been mentioned multiple times that you cannot eat another fruit. And from the wikia it says
"One rumor, as recounted by Jabra, is that Devil Fruits house actual devils that will fight when placed in proximity of one another. The resulting battle would destroy the users' bodies. Nevertheless, Blueno contradicted this claim, stating that Grand Line scientists have noted that the phenomenon of one's body destroying itself only occurs when one consumes two Devil Fruits. - Wikia"

Which I can't find it now, but apparently that's a part of some sort of Hindu folklore about the demons fighting each other. The only info about the devil fruit that we have gotten has been from experience(Luffy drowning, getting hit and having it hurt, weaknesses like Crocodile to water), from the book(that there are fruits documented like the suke suke fruit that Sanji wanted, which leads you to believe that they regrow or that they can determine that through some sort of scientific means), and from Vegapunk(him combining the dog and the cannon in the Baroque works arc, replicating the firepower of Kizaru's attack for the PXs), and rumor. Which the book and Vegapunk could be connected, so there is a lot that we don't know, we have never seen someone eat a second fruit, it's always just been a rumor that you can't.

Yeah we don't know what happened with BB and WB, I don't know if he would have just absorbed it through his powers. They've mentioned that it could be because of some sort of physical difference with BB's body, Marco mentioned that. I don't know why he used that tarp to cover himself and why it took so long, maybe he had to eat his heart or something like that.

Han-yuu said:
Well. I think it was luck but maybe Dragon, BUT now that everyone is saying it was Dragon. It make me think something else which is a bit relevant. If Dragon can bring down lightning and have full control over weather. I'm pretty sure it won't be criticized ever because dragon is a legendary like Roger - while i'm pretty fine with that - but i remember how much people criticized Kishi when legendary ninja like Madara summoned a metaphor on the sky. I saw even people cursing him. They were asking for a good explanation and how the hell it's possible. That's where i think people are really unfair when they do this. They can accept everything in their favorite series while talking about reasoning and hating other, which maybe an exact similar situation.
Well luck has always been in the story, that's something that Oda is not hiding and pretending that it wasn't. Luck and fate has been in the story since the beginning, and even the Black Beard pirates accept it and live by it. The whole idea of the Will of D is based on fate.

While I am not denying that it happens, I think you are looking at it backwards at least in this thread, it's not that since it's our favorite series that we overlook these things. It's that he always foreshadows and has been hiding things from the beginning, that that's part of why it's our favorite series, and we believe that Oda has something planned.

I can't say anything for Naruto and Kishimoto, because I never looked deep into it because it didn't catch me right away like One Piece's writing did. So I'm not going to pretend to know that.

Haki being used near the third episode, being used in Skypia, all throughout starting from saving Keimi and then finally being explained at 516. Jinbe letting Arlong loose being mentioned by the bounty hunters before the Arlong arc even when Jinbe wouldn't even be seen until after 400 and the issue of Jinbe letting Arlong loose until like 550(and having things like the shape of Arlong park being like Saboandy park). Even picking the VA for Rayleigh hundreds of episodes before he even shows up, and making sure that they didn't call him captain because it was not known yet that they were on Gol D Roger's ship and he didn't want to make a plot hole. All sorts of things like that that have been hidden for the big plot, even in the smaller arcs with Laboon, and even in a filler arc have I seen some slight foreshadowing for another filler arc.
Even I realize that some of the things about haki could be a plot hole or other things could be one, but am not criticizing because of some of the things that he has hidden that shows that he is able to plan ahead and he has never let the fans down. It's Odas ability as a writer and a mangaka that people believe in, not the series.

I agree that we don't know much about BB. It's all just theories and assumptions.. Hopefully it will be explained once BB will use both powers and will tell about this secret.

About the second quote. I think you're a bit misunderstood about that part. I was not trying to criticize OP there - as i said, i'm fine with luck and i'm pretty much fine with Dragon controlling the weather and lightning - and my target was not you or whole OP fanbase because that will include me as well, you know i am a OP fan. It was simple that if someone think Dragon controlling whole weather include lightning doesn't require more explanation than his devil fruit powers. Then he has no right to call someone else overpowered in similar situation. There is no need to look for deep meaning. Dragon powers comes through DF or maybe haki (? not sure at all though). It's fine. Because he is a revolutionary hero who alone take on world government. If he's not that much powerful at-least, then it would be really unfair. On the other hand Madara in a different world is a legendary ninja. I think there is no need for explanation if he can summon a metaphor with susano hand seals. He has an amazing chakra in his life and now he's immortal on top of that, but people criticizing because how can he summon metaphor is beyond my thinking. I'm not sure if anime got there yet or not. sorry if i spoiled it for you.

Also agree with all foreshadows you mentioned.

p.s: just noticed that i answered enies lobby with enies lobby in my previous post. talk about concentration. :) not sure what i read when i was typing.
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01-11-13, 1:54 PM

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pokecenter said:
*reads user's above post*
*thumbs up*

Just to check, you guys talking about dual devil fruit users (Teach); but does he actually only has 2 of them? I remember that was said that he was looking for strong Devil Fruit users, to steal their abilities, that's why Luffy should be careful ( i wonder who said that...Rayleigh or maybe Jinbei). So it should be possible for him to possess more than 2 abilities at same time i guess ._.
Well he used his yami fruit's power with one hand and then with the other he used WB's gura fruit power. He might use multiple, or he might know a secret to give other people the fruits, to boost up the power of his crew, which could be why he's seeking tons of them. Or in the end he might turn into the big boss that uses tons of powers and eventually that is used against him.

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I agree that we don't know much about BB. It's all just theories and assumptions.. Hopefully it will be explained once BB will use both powers and will tell about this secret.

About the second quote. I think you're a bit misunderstood about that part. I was not trying to criticize OP there - as i said, i'm fine with luck and i'm pretty much fine with Dragon controlling the weather and lightning - and my target was not you or whole OP fanbase because that will include me as well, you know i am a OP fan. It was simple that if someone think Dragon controlling whole weather include lightning doesn't require more explanation than his devil fruit powers. Then he has no right to call someone else overpowered in similar situation. There is no need to look for deep meaning. Dragon powers comes through DF or maybe haki (? not sure at all though). It's fine. Because he is a revolutionary hero who alone take on world government. If he's not that much powerful at-least, then it would be really unfair. On the other hand Madara in a different world is a legendary ninja. I think there is no need for explanation if he can summon a metaphor with susano hand seals. He has an amazing chakra in his life and now he's immortal on top of that, but people criticizing because how can he summon metaphor is beyond my thinking. I'm not sure if anime got there yet or not. sorry if i spoiled it for you.

Also agree with all foreshadows you mentioned.

p.s: just noticed that i answered enies lobby with enies lobby in my previous post. talk about concentration. :) not sure what i read when i was typing.
Yeah and let's hope that we might learn more about devil fruits before then, from Vegapunk or wherever.

Hmmm well it seemed to me that you weren't very happy with One Piece fans lately always sticking up for One Piece and bashing other series, and claiming that it was somehow different from other shows. My bad if that wasn't true.

I don't think Dragon's powers might be so powerful as to control weather, I don't think a fruit would cover that. He seems more like a charismatic and smart leader, more of a strategist than a fighter, but still pretty damn strong. The only thing thus far that could be connected to him is the green wind, that I think he used after he saved Luffy. I just watched the episodes again and it distinctively showed static electricity sparking between Buggy's sword and Luffy(though that sounds a little weird, since Luffy is rubber, I don't know if that would work), which provided the electricity from the above storm that had been coming in for hours(since before they landed). I did not see any green wind, the only thing that looked really off was that the flame was blue, which could be a sign that it was a devil fruit power that caused it.

I haven't watched that yet IIRC, but it doesn't matter it's hard for me to remember things from Naruto anyways since I don't talk about it a lot.


 
01-14-13, 7:09 PM

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Pandarenboy said:
Naruto has lost so many fans past few years because of One Piece, why do people like this show so much for the manga to have 9.01?
It's just another Shounen. (Naruto is 8.19... What the-??)


Just another Shounen?! Are u mad?
One Piece is a must watch and im sure it will have u hooked by the 5th episode and 1st chapter. Oda's imagination is beautiful! Learn to embrace it, its popular for a reason. I wouldnt even compare the two when it comes to their scores
 
01-15-13, 3:39 AM

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Rokuougan said:
Pandarenboy said:
Naruto has lost so many fans past few years because of One Piece, why do people like this show so much for the manga to have 9.01?
It's just another Shounen. (Naruto is 8.19... What the-??)


Just another Shounen?! Are u mad?
One Piece is a must watch and im sure it will have u hooked by the 5th episode and 1st chapter. Oda's imagination is beautiful! Learn to embrace it, its popular for a reason. I wouldnt even compare the two when it comes to their scores
It took 227 episodes to get me hooked.

 
01-15-13, 3:42 AM

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Candor said:
Rokuougan said:
Pandarenboy said:
Naruto has lost so many fans past few years because of One Piece, why do people like this show so much for the manga to have 9.01?
It's just another Shounen. (Naruto is 8.19... What the-??)


Just another Shounen?! Are u mad?
One Piece is a must watch and im sure it will have u hooked by the 5th episode and 1st chapter. Oda's imagination is beautiful! Learn to embrace it, its popular for a reason. I wouldnt even compare the two when it comes to their scores
It took 227 episodes to get me hooked.


Wait wait you didn't like Alabasta, Skypea AND Arlong!
I'm stumped!
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RandomPerson3 said:
Candor said:
Rokuougan said:
Pandarenboy said:
Naruto has lost so many fans past few years because of One Piece, why do people like this show so much for the manga to have 9.01?
It's just another Shounen. (Naruto is 8.19... What the-??)


Just another Shounen?! Are u mad?
One Piece is a must watch and im sure it will have u hooked by the 5th episode and 1st chapter. Oda's imagination is beautiful! Learn to embrace it, its popular for a reason. I wouldnt even compare the two when it comes to their scores
It took 227 episodes to get me hooked.


Wait wait you didn't like Alabasta, Skypea AND Arlong!
I'm stumped!
Arlong wasn't bad, but Skypea & Alabasta felt really boring and unimportant (Skypea had very little stuff to do with the overall plot I know) that I read through them in 2 days, because I couldn't get into the anime anyway. I'm interested in the overall plot in One Piece and most of the characters related to it, but I really don't care about unimportant events that happens in 90% of the arcs, like all the running in Punk Hazard and all the running in Enies Lobby, the zombies arc, Alabasta, Skypea..etc

 
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Running is important because it makes the characters look fit and awesome. Just saying :P

Anyway Alabasta and Skypiea have other points of appeal besides their connection with the overall story of One Piece; it's mainly their sense of adventure and location. One of my favorite episodes in the Skypiea arc was the arrival of the Straw Hats, the feeling that there was something new to discover, an unexplored land. The amazement of the crew about something they had never seen was definitely one of the highlights of the arc, and it worked perfectly as a definition of the imagery and sense of discovery of One Piece. The whole change of scenarios and environments through the different arcs that were related to the adventure with Vivi (Whiskey Peak, Little Garden, Drum, Alabasta) is also one of my favorite things from the series.
 
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Candor said:
RandomPerson3 said:
Candor said:
Rokuougan said:
Pandarenboy said:
Naruto has lost so many fans past few years because of One Piece, why do people like this show so much for the manga to have 9.01?
It's just another Shounen. (Naruto is 8.19... What the-??)


Just another Shounen?! Are u mad?
One Piece is a must watch and im sure it will have u hooked by the 5th episode and 1st chapter. Oda's imagination is beautiful! Learn to embrace it, its popular for a reason. I wouldnt even compare the two when it comes to their scores
It took 227 episodes to get me hooked.


Wait wait you didn't like Alabasta, Skypea AND Arlong!
I'm stumped!
Arlong wasn't bad, but Skypea & Alabasta felt really boring and unimportant (Skypea had very little stuff to do with the overall plot I know) that I read through them in 2 days, because I couldn't get into the anime anyway. I'm interested in the overall plot in One Piece and most of the characters related to it, but I really don't care about unimportant events that happens in 90% of the arcs, like all the running in Punk Hazard and all the running in Enies Lobby, the zombies arc, Alabasta, Skypea..etc

Don't really get what you're saying, because nearly every thing that happens in One Piece is part of the plot. I'm actually suprised that you liked Impel Down and Whitebeard since both those arcs had way less to do with the overall plot than Alabasta, which was the arc that story was building towards with the Giants arc and the Chopper arc. Sure it didn't help them get closer to One Piece itself. But than your not getting the anime; Its the journey not the destination.
Also it seems you only like the dramatic elements of the story (Robin's backstory, Nami's backstory,
) and your not enjoying the comedy and action. If that's the case than One Piece is simply not for you, since that's what it is; a comedy/action show.
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First of all let's not forget that I was just trying to prove the guy who said One Piece is "a must watch and you'd get hooked after the 1st episodes" wrong, because what he said is pure fanboyism and just because he liked something doesn't mean everyone should like it too.

I never said I didn't like some parts of the running, but I just think they drag too much and get boring after a while, for me at least. Impel Down and Whitebeard arcs can be also included in the dragged out arcs, but they also had some interesting things. The comedy in One Piece is good for most of the time, but the action is one of the problems, though I guess it's me that doesn't like most of it. From that you can say my problems are the action and defeating a bunch of villain in every arc and the pace. A normal typical shounen formula I know, but it's just not that interesting in One Piece especially imo, since One Piece imo has a lot of interesting stuff to focus on instead of dragging the arcs with unimportant bunch of bad guys or running all over the place again and again.

Things are starting to get good recently after the running stopped and the arc is about to end (with DoFlamingo and some of the big guys involved), so hopefully next arc will be better.
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Just to support Candor's pov, i didn't get hooked by the ep5 as well. Actually, most of people that dislike One Piece say that they didn't manage to get hooked early on the series, making them dropp it (I got more easily hooked in Naruto or Bleach honestly).

I did like Alabasta tho xD was completely addicted by that time already.
 
01-15-13, 8:25 AM

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Just to support Candor's pov, i didn't get hooked by the ep5 as well. Actually, most of people that dislike One Piece say that they didn't manage to get hooked early on the series, making them dropp it (I got more easily hooked in Naruto or Bleach honestly).

I did like Alabasta tho xD was completely addicted by that time already.

Yeah I agree with this. I got hooked by the second half of the Arlong arc with the walk to Arlong Park, after dropping it after Nami's backstory.
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RandomPerson3 said:
pokecenter said:
Just to support Candor's pov, i didn't get hooked by the ep5 as well. Actually, most of people that dislike One Piece say that they didn't manage to get hooked early on the series, making them dropp it (I got more easily hooked in Naruto or Bleach honestly).

I did like Alabasta tho xD was completely addicted by that time already.

Yeah I agree with this. I got hooked by the second half of the Arlong arc with the walk to Arlong Park, after dropping it after Nami's backstory.

Exactly that, starting on episode 30'ish my urge to marathon One Piece increased.
 
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