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Nope, I showed that saying 'x belongs to a group which is averagely more :insert something here: thus x is averagely more :insert same something here:' is not a logically valid argument as it has a contradiction as its implication. A reductio ad absurdum.

I understood that argument, I just don't like your follow up where you say that therefore every human is more dangerous on average following the same reasoning (since we belong to group humans, and some individuals in that group are dangerous). You are also assuming that grouping people is completely arbitrary, which I am not very inclined to agree with.

Yes, that is the conclusion, which is the contradiction as it doesn't stroke with the definition of 'average'.

That was the point I made in the paragraph thereafter. The proof indeed requires grouping to be random, which was my whole point, that we group randomly and we have no algorithm to determine what groups we should take. We have no formal criteria to determine which groups are 'valid'.

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I see now... I guess it's a good point then. Still, I would think that grouping people has its merits and that generally we do use at least some valid criteria to group them; of course, I agree that forming a group of "black wearing people" is ridiculous.

I also changed the topic title to better reflect the contents of the thread. Please be more civil from here on out, and we already covered that, sick-bastard.

In my opinion, that's a quite competent channeling of Hunter S. Thompson in that opening. Very nicely done.

I am somewhat curious what you meant by the term "YOUR KIND" in your reference, however. Was it some large, particular group you were referring to in a general way?

Lol at new title.

Sadly humans have this obsessive desire to fit somewhere. Somewhere where they can feel like home and thus the stereotyping. Each group of stereotypes is mostly their own fault why are they stereotyped. For example let's take metal:

Stereotypes for a metalhead is:

1. Black clothes
2. Satan
3. Long hair
4. Tough guy attitude (idiotic behavior)
5. Music is just screaming and playing instruments with no talent or skill whatsoever

Most metalheads will usually get offended by this and will fight against these stereotypes while in fact these are all very true.

1. Go to any metal concert, the most frequent color you'll see is black. Standard band shirt color is also black.

2. Most bands are against Christian values and most bands "oppose" these Christian values by showing off how they sold their soul to the devil. Pretty much all genres of metal have a satanic imagery. Even genres like death metal which is supposed to be about gore and human life was started by bands that originally had satanic lyrics and image (possessed, death, morbid angel... they all have an inverted cross in their logos for example).

3. Every metalhead will have either long hair or be bald at one point of his life.

4. Metalheads dream is to be a viking and to sail around raping women, pillage towns and very much so kill Christians along the way if possible and worship pagan gods.

5. This is just a matter of taste but one thing is sure, metal is not noise. There's (believe it or not) actually a genre called noise and a bunch of people behind it. Noise has nothing to do with metal. What's music anyway?

Everyone at young age is can be easily be seduced into doing something thus all young metalheads will want to have long hair, be badass, wear black clothes etc. They all act the same. Later on hopefully they'll evolve out of this horrid habit, sadly some don't. Same works for any other genre and any other group of people actually. While we are all individuals we are also sociable creatures and we have this stupid desire to talk and hang out with other people but in order not to expelled from this society we haft to blend in because we feel good surrounded with people like us. That's how I see it at least. Also there's is the superiority complex. A thing which I will never understand. MY GENRE IS SUPERIOR AND MOAR PROFOUND THEN YOURS. Bunch of shit really.

New record for time it takes for a serious thread -> spam section?

Deleted my respeck knuckles... ouch, dude.

Whoa, looks like whatever this thread once was went down the shitter.

Respect knuckles are dangerous, I would kindly ask for you to keep them off of the GD in the future. Now, it's unfortunate that this is in spam, but it's an interesting topic nonetheless. Let's hope that it isn't hijacked by attention whores.

Edit: It's funny we get on topic after it's moved.
Nonetheless, let me just say a little in the stereotype's defence. There is a reason they exist. They may be over-cemented into some people's minds, however they are useful tools in the social context. Giving speeches is an especially good example, marketing, etc, all of these demographics are really just stereotypes.

As humans, it's natural to build conclusions out of gathered evidence, we connect things that seem similar or seem to relate. This is simply because our brains seem to be built off of cause and effect logic. The layman will always have his social stigmas, which can be quite discriminatory, whether or not he even realises it. What I do find interesting, however, is recently my mother has had more confidence in her stereotypes. I wonder why...

This man speaks the truth. Although I myself listen to metal, I do believe that those stereotypes upon the metal community are self-inflicted by many of the extreme metal genres.

A problem is that kids nowadays buy into the "whats cool" way of life such as the satanic culture within metal. I mean its cool and all to listen to metal(being someone who really loves the genre)but to sucker yourself into the being "cool" aspect is just as bad as, for example, the kids who where the popped collars and other random shit that the "preppy" crowd does.

So many people try to "fit in" that in doing so they prevent themselves from a decent social life.

People who believe true what they præfer to be true. Every human on earth, those who don't are neglectible.

Equivalent for all purposes and intends to people who have 'moral', id est, the believe that various actions 'should' be stopped for the sole reason their parents stopped them doing it via various Pavlovian methods (punishment).

Think about it, your whole set of morals and what you think is 'right' and 'wrong' you just have because you were conditioned to think so by your parents, who had those ideas for the same reason.

Taken from the "show us what you look like" thread
omg I laughed so hard when I saw this, all I could think was "now I wonder why his mom thinks he likes black."

'60% of the time I wear black' it says some-where in the opening post...

fucking idiot, really... stay out of my topic.

You are really one of the most hateful people I have ever met. All you do is complain about what other people have to say, just now in another thread you were bitching because somebody was sad about the drummer for the JHE dying. I'm sure your contempt was due to you just not liking his music lol.

Now you call me a "fucking idiot," seriously the trump card for arguments.

EDIT: if you honestly believe that your appearance doesn't merit someone to believe that you like wearing the color black then you need to check to see if you have some screws loose.

Also your mom probably should have slugged you in the face for talking back to her in the manner you listed.

Correct, probably the most hateful, though not aggressive.
Hardly, I've also criticized some people who were 'saddened' because the guy behind The Angelic Process committed suicide, a project I like, but I said they don't know that person and what they do is equivalent to 'liking' some-one because that person gives them candy, or in this case music.

Go defy some more.

Awesome flaming going on guys.
By the way defiance, you're acting like a total douche as well, if not more. I mean, "Also your mom probably should have slugged you in the face for talking back to her in the manner you listed."
Seriously? Grow up. Just because you disapprove of someone doesn't mean you act like an asshat as well.