Shinsekai yori Episode 11 Discussion

Kurini said:
I found it so weird when they started to kiss when Satoru was like... looking at them... whatever...

I'm glad that they seems to remember the girl in their team! I hope Saki'll remeber Shun very soon!

And I love this episode's animation! :)
Omg, I can't wait for the next episode! More revelations!!

Nhaz said:
i think the one who alter their memories are their own parents/guardians, they are also cantus user, the parents can easily alter their memories for example, when they are sleeping..

HongISfirE said:


After Homo fest in episode 8, I'm so glad those children come back to the right path :D

dankickyou said:
The art and animation looked different this episode. I liked it, very smooth. How old are they suppose to be now? I must say I enjoy watching the characters grow up and mature (minus the creepy memory erasing thingy)

Wild_Boy said:
Also, Satoru seems to have matured a bit. Since the time skip, he has lacked the cheekiness he had prior to it. Too bad, I kinda liked that about him.

walk said:

they are 14 now.


ikr. ;u; i actually like 12-year-old satoru better than teenage satoru, his bratty-ness was fun and cute, i miss it. :c

dankickyou said:
Hmm how long has it been since Shun disappeared? a few months?

walk said:
^ dreams have always been regarded as a connection to our subconscious? so i'm assuming that's how she dreamed about shun but can't seem to remember who he is. they can erase what you can remember, but they can never fully erase them from your unconscious mind. that's why saki and the others are still able to remember bits and pieces as they start digging deeper into their minds and pulling that information out.

walk said:
as for reiko (the girl from the first episode)'s situation, children who were unable to control their cantus well are also removed, most likely also because they had the potential to become dangerous. a situation they didn't depict in the anime, when they were building the house of cards, one of reiko's cards just flew out of nowhere in completely the wrong direction, and she had no idea how it happened. it would be a huge risk to allow her to continue like that, as her cantus grew more powerful, but she was unable to manipulate it to her will.

Bouum said:
I always thought Reiko was too weak and couldn't really get why they would just get rid of a weak child but, this makes a lot more sense. She wasn't weak. Her Cantus was actually stronger than she could handle kinda.

Children with stronger Cantus are way more at Risk than others then. Like Shun, his was pretty strong. Meaning Satoru would be at risk more than Saki of losing control, I guess.

That's interesting ! =)

walk said:

maybe my post didn't explain it well. (◞‸◟；) i think reiko was weak. her cantus wasn't stronger than the other's, per se, but it was just too strong for her consciousness to handle. it's confusing, but i think it's quite different from shun's situation. anyway yes, i also agree that children with stronger cantus are more at risk. (・ε・ ) but as long as your will is stronger, then it should be okay. that's why the adults are constantly monitoring the kids' progress, to make sure that their minds are still steady.

Bouum said:
You seems to know a lot. I have a little question that's been unclear for me so far maybe you know a little about it; In their world, does everyone have a Cantus ? What if someone was born without being able to use it ? Or... like when Saki and the others got their Cantus sealed in the forest, what would happen if they came home without their powers ? They wouldn't be dangerous for others but, I haven't seen anyone without those powers yet. So the Human Race... all of them became 'Psychic' kinda ? It wasn't very clear for me after the Minishiro conversation in the beginning and nothing really explained it after either.

walk said:
hahaha, well, i'm glad it seems like i know a lot. (。-`▿´-) but it's really because this is story is literally all i think about all the time, i am just so passionate about it. ;u;

walk said:
in their village, most likely everyone has cantus. as they said, it's a power that manifests from the subconscious. so as long as that exists (and it exists in everyone), than so would this power. don't forget though, we don't know anything about their world beyond their own village. the minoshiro said that in northeast asia, the human race split into four groups, one of which did not possess psychokinesis. so not only do we not yet know anything about these other groups, but we don't know about the rest of the world beyond northeast asia either. who knows what kind of other people live on the outside? so we can't jump to any conclusions regarding that yet.

walk said:
the priest rijin only sealed their powers temporarily for good measure when he caught them doing something they weren't supposed to (that is, being in a place they weren't permitted and learning forbidden knowledge). as he said, he was going to take them to the temple and could not allow them back to their village until priest mushin learned about this and dealt with them, the temple would be the one we saw in the first episode. most likely, they would be put through the first episode's ritual again, where they would be "cleansed", and the information that they learned up at mount tsukuba would be erased.

Bouum said:
The thing about that part with the Priest that is bothering me is... As Shun was about to Leave the Village, he told Saki that the Adults knew what they did in the Summer Camp (if I remember right). However, the adults did nothing to solve the problem (if it was one)... maybe it wasn't even a problem in the first place but if it wasn't, why would the Priest take them somewhere. He did say he would bring them to the Priest but I am wondering if he was from the village at all...

Just some random thoughts ! lol

Bouum said:
....The thing about that part with the Priest that is bothering me is... As Shun was about to Leave the Village, he told Saki that the Adults knew what they did in the Summer Camp (if I remember right).

PrometheusZero said:
Nice stuff again.

It looks like Saki's love for Shun is breaking her hypnotism. And now all three of them are being called in front of the ethics commitee, the head of which is supposed to be 'nice'.

No sir, I don't like it!

Bouum said:
I'm interested about The Girl in First Episode, Saki's Sister and Shun. Shun was 'exiled' because he was losing control off his own Cantus because his Cantus is linked to his inner self kinda like Freud's theory. I'm wondering if this got anything to do with having a strong Cantus. I'm thinking it does but I don't remember seeing it in the anime at all. Maybe I just assumed it does. If I am right then, Shun was at risk, turned into a Demon and was Exiled.

Just making assumption here but, the only other situation when a student was exiled so far was the boy when they made the competition with the boulders to move into the hole. He was exiled because he had a dangerous behavior. So... you get exiled if you are a dangerous person with bad intention or if you lose control of your inner self and Cantus like Shun.

Bouum said:

That scene would probably make it more easy for everyone to relate her story to Shun. Saki's sister probably lived with a similar problem I guess. I always thought Reiko was too weak and couldn't really get why they would just get rid of a weak child but, this makes a lot more sense. She wasn't weak. Her Cantus was actually stronger than she could handle kinda.

Cirris said:
Now the thing with that is. How did they know. was there special animals that could spy on them? or was someone like Mamoru running scared to the adults and telling them.

Cirris said:
It seemed rather convenient that after Mamoru left, Saki, Maria, Satoru continued discussing what they found out and the three were called to the ethics committee and Mamoru wasn't there. it seems like its being set up as Mamoru being the rat. I just hope it's "animal spies" or something else.

Cirris said:
I remember the first episode with the "beware of seeing cats" theme. I always felt it was like something was wrong with you if you seen one. It wasn't til the Shun's death did i realize "beware of the cats" meant you or someone close to you has been marked for death by the ethics committee and the cats make little distinction to whom they go after once they close in on you. The cat Saki saw in the first episode was there to slaughter her "defective" sister. One can only assume the same fates of the two kids from the school. I can't even imagine what happened to all the kids from their "pre-cantus" school. Given the great lengths they goto to keep cantus users pure and perfect. The imperfection of non-cantus people could be seen as disposable garbage.

nseika said:
It's not shown, but Shun, being bright enough, probably went to the exile on his own. He know about the base of their power from the library and Saki's mother also gave him literatures that fill in the blanks. After knowing that, he spent the preparation to get away from his friends and said good bye to Saki.
Shun said that the adults tried to fix his control, but it's already beyond repair, so they must've also explained the situation to him and luckily he can accept the situation.

nseika said:
But being powerful is not necessary making someone into a demon. Remember, if they're not exaggerating, Kaburaki is "strong enough to split the earth in two". If Shun trained his power, he could become powerful cantus user and even taken as part of the system. But his personality left him with so much things in his mind that could make his power leak out.

nseika said:
For the boy in eps 2. My assumption has been that he had risk of turning into something worse than Shun. Their death mechanism and anti-violence instinct work by having their unconsciousness reject the idea of hurting other human. But someone that has no problem against hurting other human could render the mechanism inactive and turning the person into Akki if he went into killing frenzy. Satoru has gone to power trip during the rat war. Now imagine someone going through that and can only channel it against other human.

Like psychopaths, they're just like any other human, only that they don't feel cutting human to pieces is any different from cutting paper to pieces.

walk said:
nope, the priest was legit lol. the adults found out through some other means, but that's a spoiler.

Bouum said:

I doubt that's the case but... Who knows. I don't see Mamoru as this kind of character so far (actually I see Maria in this role more than him lol) but, It could be a possibility I guess..