What do you think of Suguha?

SetsukoHara said:


Klein should get the screentime he deserved before that.

katsucats said:
Because that is how people address each other in Japan. It doesn't matter if they are not related; they have familial relations. You could call your friend's father "father"... Onii-chan only means "brother" in the strictest sense, but what it really means depending on the context could be "older male that I'm close with" or something...

gigglingidiot said:
Eh. I think the whole relationship is messed up. For one thing, she appeared out of nowhere. Not much character development - they're too busy zooming in on her breasts and narrating "..I have feelings for brother!" Nothing special. Same goes for a majority of the female characters in the series.

Oh, and I have a question: If he isn't her genetic brother, why does she keep referencing him as her brother. It just sounds worse..?

moonbby said:
Yeah I agree, they suddenly change the main heroine of the show, to a confused imouoto that;s in love with her bro/cousin, who on top of that is a total tsundere, oh not to mention she plays the same game as her beloved bro without him knowing and also falls for the character he plays! wooho anything else? oh she has big boobs, so all in all, she's the biggest fan service character ever. she brings nothing, completely nothing to this show. oh and i dont care for her boobs im a fan of little ones, so her big ass bouncy things just piss me off. neither do i care for her lil sob story, god, i especially dont care for her lil sob story.

Lunar62 said:
So happy to see hear instead of that shitty Asuna. I enjoy the anime since she is no longer the main character.

Suguha is so cute and she don't have that stupid tsundere behavior (like Kirino, Mikoto, Fumino...).

AirStyles said:


I don't think you understand the meaning of Tsundere...

Necro-sama said:
I love her because of her boobies.

ssjokg said:

Sugu isnt violent against Kazuto though.She hides her feelings yeah but she isnt hostile.

AirStyles said:


ssjokg, he's talking about how Sugu is better because unlike Asuna, she's not a Tsundere


He's claiming that Asuna is a Tsundere. (There is nothing Tsun about Asuna)


So many newbies nowaday walking around using that term without knowing it's meaning.

Lunar62 said:

1-I'm not a newbie...

2-Asuna IS a tsundere.

AirStyles said:


ssjokg, he's talking about how Sugu is better because unlike Asuna, she's not a Tsundere


He's claiming that Asuna is a Tsundere. (There is nothing Tsun about Asuna)


So many newbies nowaday walking around using that term without knowing it's meaning.

EDIT: Or did you misinterpret what I said and accused me of calling both Asuna and Sugu Tsundere?

AirStyles said:



Go and read up on what Tsundere mean. I recommend TV trope...

Newbie

ssjokg said:
Asuna is a bit at the start of the main arc.Breast grab,the sex misunderstanding,something about cooking.

"Accused" is a bit much I think.I thought that you mixed Lyfa and her interactions with Kirito in Sugu's char and feelings for Kazuto.

Lunar62 said:


http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1191954676

Read here...

AirStyles said:


Tsundere (traditional meaning)
A process of a character starting out cold toward another, and slowly warm up to him/her.

Tsundere (Current)
A person who like another, but often hide his/her embarrassment by treating the crush violently.

Asuna never goes embarrassed/blush and slap Kirito around to hide her own embarrassment.

AirStyles said:


Tsundere (traditional meaning)
A process of a character starting out cold toward another, and slowly warm up to him/her.

Tsundere (Current)
A person who like another, but often hide his/her embarrassment by treating the crush violently.

Asuna never goes embarrassed/blush and slap Kirito around to hide her own embarrassment.



GJ, I can't read that.

Translate word by word, or I'll show you lucky star episode 4, where they explain how Tsundere is misused.

AirStyles said:
Asuna never goes embarrassed/blush and slap Kirito around to hide her own embarrassment.

ssjokg said:

AirStyles said:
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ataraxial said:

Yeah, even if Asuna is a "tsundere" using the super-broad definition, that hardly says anything about her. She's definitely not Louise, and there's no point in trying to associate her with that kind of annoying baka baka character type by using the word "tsundere."

One could argue that Asuna is a classical tsundere though, but then again, warming up to someone is like the definition of romance.

ssjokg said:
You were the one that suggested to read TV trope.Asuna fits the Type B Tsundere.

ssjokg said:

You were the one that suggested to read TV trope.Asuna fits the Type B Tsundere.

ataraxial said:

TVTropes' page tries to approach the tsundere definition analytically (the tsun-type and the dere-type), but it ends up being misleading the way they describe it. The definition here is much better: http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=386. Incidentally, it's the same as the one given in the Lucky Star clip.

AirStyles said:


Exactly! All girls who can slap are tsundere now!

All of them! There's no place for self-protection, aggressive reaction, pride shield or jealous rage!

If a crush likes, then hit. It's tsundere.

DEMOLITION_D said:
Hey, let's all call each other names and get really upset over stupid shit.

Who knows, maybe we'll get laid.

ssjokg said:

Sugu has a crush in kazuto but she didnt slap him when she woke up next to him.
Would Asuna hit him if they werent a couple?No doubt.
In both cases it wouldnt be Kazuto's fault.So yeah Asuna is a bit tsundere.

AirStyles said:


What do you based that on?

The only clue we ever got to how Asuna would react is in episode 5.

She woke up, almost pull her sword out, and said she treat him to a meal.

Now, ask yourself this, if it's another guy, but not Kirito(just have to be a guy she's slightly attracted to, if there's any other), would she react the same.
I'm leaning on yes!

It's pride + embarassment that's taking part.


Then again, who am I kidding.

Crush + violent = Tsundere

ssjokg said:

I dont get why you are so aggressive,but isnt that what tsundere means(or at least what it ended up meaning)?

And I dont remember Asuna having her tits almost out of her shirt so no point in comparing them with that scene.
We do know though that because SHE was confused, Kirito was punched because he saw her in her underwear after SHE "unequipped" her clothes in front of him.

ssjokg said:

Surely Asuna isnt Tusndere anymore after they get married with Kirito but before that she was, although she wasnt Louise-tier or Hitagi-tier(Tsundere without dere).This is for the anime.

ssjokg said:

I dont get why you are so aggressive,but isnt that what tsundere means(or at least what it ended up meaning)?

And I dont remember Asuna having her tits almost out of her shirt so no point in comparing them with that scene.
We do know though that because SHE was confused, Kirito was punched because he saw her in her underwear after SHE "unequipped" her clothes in front of him.

AirStyles said:


Oh god....

I remember when she first called herself a Tsundere... I cracked up and actually fell off my chair. When she call herself a Tsundere, I believed, even til this day, that it's the writer's way of mocking the current masses of misusing tsundere on all violent girl who are in love.

Which ironically, I keep finding people calling Hitagi a tsundere everywhere I go because of it
With very few people, like myself have to keep correcting it.

Because to be frank, Hitagi is a psychopath, nothing more, nothing less.

There's nothing Tsundere about a psychotic bitch.(may I add, a very charming psychotic bitch)

Takuan_Soho said:

Airstyles, if you want to broaden the definition of Tsundere to include Asuna, the word would pretty much lose all meaning. Tsundere is an attitude, not a single action. Responding a certain way because one is embarrassed isn't Tsundere because in many cases the reaction is either 1) instinctive, or 2) a reasonable response to a provocation.

Kirino is Tsundere not because she treats Kousuke violently, but because she bad mouths, and belittles him for no reason. In short, she acts bitchy. That is the key to being Tsundere. Neither Asuna or Suguha have this attitude (some might claim that's how Suguha treats Recon is Tsun, but I would disagree, Recon generally provokes Suguha when she attempts to be nice to him).

The scene Ssjokg mentioned is a good example. Kirito asked to spend the night with Asuna. Asuna took this to mean he wanted to sleep with her. She was perfectly willing to do so, and was willing to take the initiative on it, only to have Kirito react embarrassed. He put her into a hyperly embarrassing situation, and she reacted to it. That isn't Tsun.

ssjokg said:


Forget the dere part.Hitagi doesnt have a tsun side at all?

AirStyles said:


That is Tsun, she is violent and cold. However, it's not out of love, embarassment, or inability to deal with romantic interest...

it's merely her mentally scarred because of past event, and is a violent psychopath. That is my argument.

remember that the original meaning is treating a love interest cold, even look down, and slowly discover his/her good side and warming up to him/her.

While the definition may have broaden up, I don't think it broad up to a psychotic level... At least not till masses of people are claiming Hitagi to be their "favorite Tsundere"

But I don't think her type should ever be consider anything but a psychopath (that is my argument)

AirStyles said:


I didn't want to broaden the meaning of Tsundere... That was a rage sarcasm

Because I'm unhappy about how the term have been broaden by masses because of constant misuse.

ssjokg said:


I get what you say but can you tell me if this
is the right definition?Ataraxial says that it is the same as in Lucky star.

AirStyles said:


I'd call 1 the original meaning.

2 seem a bit off.
As Dere Dere should work more lovestruck or became soft around the love interest.

2's definition made it seem like any girl, who hide her true face, regardless of having a special someone or not, she's still the same way. The term Tsundere should always revolve around a romantic interest from my understanding.

Because going by 2's definition, Kusunoki Kasuga of "The World God Only Knows" would be consider Tsundere as default personality... which is awkward. By this definition, any girl who act tough/put on a strong face are labeled Tsundere just because they're weak inside...

Post-Josh said:
Too much anime philosophy, not enough boobs.

Ninius said:
I don't really care except she's a bit interesting with having a thing for Kazuto.

[Offtopic]After reading some of this topic's posts I can say one thing: men are disgusting.[/offtopic]

ssjokg said:
Obviously you havent seen Suguha's real thread.

AiCon said:
Shh. It was supposed to be a secret with the guys. lol

ssjokg said:

I think there were some girls in the old thread.Or at least someone that calls himself a little girl.So our secret is no more.

AiCon said:
Probably in the beginning when all that was there was a bunch of words. Girls would probably cringe if they saw it now. lol