| 90s was the last good decade for u.s cartoons (action and comedy). Since 00s they sucked hard and all of them are targeted to children only. I have a lot of examples to say, like Ben 10, recent cartoon cartoons and others. About the shows, I don't bother in watch them. |
| Simply because of the culture (anime isn't really a kiddy thing but one of Japan's entertainment/art forms just like manga) and difference in viewers. Sure, you have anime series aimed at kids, but even those have an extended plot and often carefully thought out characters. Whereas most western cartoons provide more of an easygoing and humoristic setting with slapstick humor most of the time. Anime is more mature and has several genres and a major budget compared to the simplistic cartoons. It's like when you try to explain what the difference is between cartoons and anime to people unfamiliar with it, you just always end up saying; "It's just better!" |
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The_Butcher said: NickyCharisma said: It's the inherent suspension of disbelief that anime gives us. With live action, no matter how engrossed you are in a show it still resembles real life so must take into account some of the rules from real life. As good as CG effects have gotten, they still don't hold a candle to animation. Imagine this, you're in the middle of an episode of your favorite live action series when BAM! A mech driven by a cute girl in skimpy clothing has arrived to deliver three minutes of exposition. While this would be jarring to many Western shows its comonplace in anime. The Western shows need to follow certain rules and guidelines in order to create an audience. And thats another huge difference. By in large, TV in Japan is created with a specific arc and a limited number of episodes (exceptions do apply). In America, however, the goal is to stay on the air for as long as possible and milk a franchise for all its worth. Thats why it's so rare for a series to "go out on top" (again, generally speaking). When it comes to Western cartoons, the obvious answer is that there is a differnece in depth (blanket statement). While even the most, how you say "popular", anime might be considered shallow it still contains themes like loyalty, duty, or honor (Naruto). And there are other shows that contain philosophical, psychological, or sociological themes that allow us to challenge our minds while we watch giant robots eff stuff up. The "Too Long; Didn't Read" version: Because Anime is the perfect combination of diverse elements that allow extravagant and exciting, yet personal, stories to be told that otherwise couldn't in any other medium. Two of the most intense moments and heartbreaking moments in history I've ever seen or watch. Live action shows can be just as personal, emotional, and enjoyable also . It is a scene from Breaking Bad on top, and 24 on the bottom. I could post more scenes, but I'd be sitting here for a while. I guess I wasn't clear in making my point. I was saying that there is an eclectic mix of visceral, cerebral, irreverent, and heartfelt moments in anime, and thats what makes it unique to other entertainment options. Maybe I should have stressed thats what makes it different, not necessarily better. It still comes down to one's own preference. It could be argued that your two moments (I couldn't see them, but 24 is awesome!) are exceptions to the rule, which is what makes them special. Thanks for the response! |
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Otaking87 said: NickyCharisma said: It's the inherent suspension of disbelief that anime gives us. With live action, no matter how engrossed you are in a show it still resembles real life so must take into account some of the rules from real life. As good as CG effects have gotten, they still don't hold a candle to animation. Imagine this, you're in the middle of an episode of your favorite live action series when BAM! A mech driven by a cute girl in skimpy clothing has arrived to deliver three minutes of exposition. While this would be jarring to many Western shows its comonplace in anime. The Western shows need to follow certain rules and guidelines in order to create an audience. And thats another huge difference. By in large, TV in Japan is created with a specific arc and a limited number of episodes (exceptions do apply). In America, however, the goal is to stay on the air for as long as possible and milk a franchise for all its worth. Thats why it's so rare for a series to "go out on top" (again, generally speaking). When it comes to Western cartoons, the obvious answer is that there is a differnece in depth (blanket statement). While even the most, how you say "popular", anime might be considered shallow it still contains themes like loyalty, duty, or honor (Naruto). And there are other shows that contain philosophical, psychological, or sociological themes that allow us to challenge our minds while we watch giant robots eff stuff up. The "Too Long; Didn't Read" version: Because Anime is the perfect combination of diverse elements that allow extravagant and exciting, yet personal, stories to be told that otherwise couldn't in any other medium. Mito Komon defeaat you agumeant I'm not framilar with the show, sorry. But I was speaking very broadly so there might well be specific examples to prove me wrong. On the whole I'm happy with my "argument" (I'd rather think of it as my opinion, I'm not here to change other people's minds but simply to share my own). Thanks for your response! |
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| I'd say it's a case of averages; investment in animantion as an artform and a lot more variety pays off. mitch3315 said: Because moe. Seriously, just look: Anime moe Western moe General love for this post. |
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whitesox123 said: JavierR said: ^ thisWhat I don't get is that why do you guys refer to yourselves as westerners? Why can't you just say us americans, or whatever country you're from? Because they live in the West. Americans? I'd prefer to call them Western Immigrants. |
Otaking87 said: NickyCharisma said: Otaking87 said: NickyCharisma said: It's the inherent suspension of disbelief that anime gives us. With live action, no matter how engrossed you are in a show it still resembles real life so must take into account some of the rules from real life. As good as CG effects have gotten, they still don't hold a candle to animation. Imagine this, you're in the middle of an episode of your favorite live action series when BAM! A mech driven by a cute girl in skimpy clothing has arrived to deliver three minutes of exposition. While this would be jarring to many Western shows its comonplace in anime. The Western shows need to follow certain rules and guidelines in order to create an audience. And thats another huge difference. By in large, TV in Japan is created with a specific arc and a limited number of episodes (exceptions do apply). In America, however, the goal is to stay on the air for as long as possible and milk a franchise for all its worth. Thats why it's so rare for a series to "go out on top" (again, generally speaking). When it comes to Western cartoons, the obvious answer is that there is a differnece in depth (blanket statement). While even the most, how you say "popular", anime might be considered shallow it still contains themes like loyalty, duty, or honor (Naruto). And there are other shows that contain philosophical, psychological, or sociological themes that allow us to challenge our minds while we watch giant robots eff stuff up. The "Too Long; Didn't Read" version: Because Anime is the perfect combination of diverse elements that allow extravagant and exciting, yet personal, stories to be told that otherwise couldn't in any other medium. Mito Komon defeaat you agumeant I'm not framilar with the show, sorry. But I was speaking very broadly so there might well be specific examples to prove me wrong. On the whole I'm happy with my "argument" (I'd rather think of it as my opinion, I'm not here to change other people's minds but simply to share my own). Thanks for your response! its as live actin drama that ran for 42 years and just under 1200 episdoes Ah! Well that sounds like a notable exception rather than the status quo. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: It is? Show me an anime that reaches the level of The Wire in it's respective genre? Some genres are more represented in one medium or the other. And of course some people (like me) just really like animated stuff over live action, as a general rule, still having nothing do with west/east. That's all there is to it. By the way I didn't read the whole OP post because it friggin' HURT my brain after a few lines. Get a grip on spelling and punctuation(!!) and we'll talk again. Until then I assume you dislike western stuff because of your difficulties with the english language. I agree I it hurts my eyes reading the op in this guy's threads but whatever.As for question in the op I think it's more like a matter of taste.There are some good really shows out there too like misfits,supernatural,the walking dead,skins or good movies and some bad ones and the same goes for anime but each have their target own audience |
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dankickyou said: Oh God! Another anime circle-jerk thread Woo! However... mitch3315 said: This made my day.Because moe. Seriously, just look: Anime moe Western moe |
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Animefreak17a said: im not saying western shows / cartoons are crap or anything like that but with anime you get brilliant animation, brilliant storys, brilliant characters, great plots ect ect ect Well, not so much these days... |
HappyRadio3000 said: Grimderp shock humor isn't something to be scared of.clubparadisee said: they show things westerns are scared to things like what, for example? OH! You mean things like …this or things like this here? Westerners make animated shows that are just as dark and grim as Japanese animation |
| Several obvious reasons: 1) A culture of adapting many stories made by individual people or small groups makes it far easier to experiment and do strange things within the medium. 2) It also has a culture of telling a story, then stopping when it's finished. Western television is awful at this basic idea, content to have some sort of premise and then work it for a seemingly infinite number of stories until it's wheezing on life-support. 3) Most advanced television techniques don't work very well with mimesis. Without a drawing culture, most types of stories in Western television are confined to live-action, which is far more limited because it has to look sort of real. This means as television gets more advanced, live-action gets inevitably left behind. In the last 20 years, anime has gone from a medium in which Nadia represents the pinnacle of the art to one in which things like Penguindrum and Madoka exist. Live-action hasn't advanced significantly since the 70s. It can't import any of the techniques invented by anime, they only work when you're drawing things. 4) Anime is aimed at a reasonably young, but bright audience. That means it can be plenty intelligent whilst being worthwhile too, its viewers still have dreams and ideals left. Western live-action has to cater for an audience which thinks The Wire is something worth doing with television, that is actually interested in squalid little struggles between policemen and criminals. Anime can have more fun because its viewers haven't been bullied into passive acceptance yet. 5) Western storytelling has a big problem of this "original myth" in which there is a completely good God and a completely evil Satan, which it has to work around if it's to make any sort of interesting story. Japanese culture doesn't have such a bugbear getting in the way. |
logopolis said: Several obvious reasons: 1) A culture of adapting many stories made by individual people or small groups makes it far easier to experiment and do strange things within the medium. 2) It also has a culture of telling a story, then stopping when it's finished. Western television is awful at this basic idea, content to have some sort of premise and then work it for a seemingly infinite number of stories until it's wheezing on life-support. 3) Most advanced television techniques don't work very well with mimesis. Without a drawing culture, most types of stories in Western television are confined to live-action, which is far more limited because it has to look sort of real. This means as television gets more advanced, live-action gets inevitably left behind. In the last 20 years, anime has gone from a medium in which Nadia represents the pinnacle of the art to one in which things like Penguindrum and Madoka exist. Live-action hasn't advanced significantly since the 70s. It can't import any of the techniques invented by anime, they only work when you're drawing things. 4) Anime is aimed at a reasonably young, but bright audience. That means it can be plenty intelligent whilst being worthwhile too, its viewers still have dreams and ideals left. Western live-action has to cater for an audience which thinks The Wire is something worth doing with television, that is actually interested in squalid little struggles between policemen and criminals. Anime can have more fun because its viewers haven't been bullied into passive acceptance yet. 5) Western storytelling has a big problem of this "original myth" in which there is a completely good God and a completely evil Satan, which it has to work around if it's to make any sort of interesting story. Japanese culture doesn't have such a bugbear getting in the way. Citation needed |
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HappyRadio3000 said: DrHouse said: HappyRadio3000 said: Grimderp shock humor isn't something to be scared of.clubparadisee said: they show things westerns are scared to things like what, for example? OH! You mean things like …this or things like this here? Westerners make animated shows that are just as dark and grim as Japanese animation Look, nowhere in that post did that Guy say anything about western animation not being scary, he said that animation in the west is less likely to be dark or disturbing than eastern animation without backing up such a claim. What I showed you was a western animated DRAMA., no comedy, mostly tragedy with an occasional joke.or two thrown in there. For the most part it was supposed to be angsty and tragic. You're getting it all wrong, man. And then there's the issue with how limited such shows are. I mean how long are can someone post about Western animated shows that were made 10 years ago? People could talk about the late night shows on Adult Swim but then I beg those people to release that 5 or so risky, "mature" cartoons a year is just a drop in bucket when compared to the amount of anime that keeps getting made season after season. |
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| And the fact they DO EXIST doesn't change the fact that they barely exist at all. The fact they barely exist combined with America's "animation age ghetto" lends support to the idea that American animators are scared or at best overly cautious when it comes to creating a dark, disturbing animated stories. And just for clarification because you need it, being scared to produce a certain kind of story is not the same as saying a certain kind of story never gets produced. If you can only argue absolutes and extremes I suggest you find some and stop misinterpreting points that are neither. |
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HappyRadio3000 said: No, he said that eastern animators will show things that western animators won't. There's a niche for shock humor in American animation. Not so much for anything that wants to be "dark" and serious like the Sorpranos, or most other highly-rated live action American shows.DrHouse said: HappyRadio3000 said: Grimderp shock humor isn't something to be scared of.clubparadisee said: they show things westerns are scared to things like what, for example? OH! You mean things like …this or things like this here? Westerners make animated shows that are just as dark and grim as Japanese animation Look, nowhere in that post did that Guy say anything about western animation not being scary, he said that animation in the west is less likely to be dark or disturbing than eastern animation without backing up such a claim. What I showed you was a western animated DRAMA., no comedy, mostly tragedy with an occasional joke.or two thrown in there. For the most part it was supposed to be angsty and tragic. You're getting it all wrong, man. And there is such a thing as black humor. Moral Oral is a prime example. |
| Because Americans are too lazy to comprehend anime. They just like to watch Sunday night football. Joking, but I honestly think its because... Hmmm, no definite answer for that is there? Japan made anime, the rest of the world decided to go with their own thing. This question will never be answered. |
| I honestly don't think it's more entertaining. Sure, I like my anime, but I have yet to find an anime I like as much as Dexter or The Walking Dead (You said western cartoons/shows, so I assume that includes live action). It all depends on what you like. |
| I like western cartoons that aren't politically correct, but most western cartoons are full of the same shitty messages like "sharing is caring", "girl power", etc. I like anime because the makers give no shits and just pander to the highest bidder. Western media tries too hard to cater to everyone's interests instead of targetting a demographic and sticking with it. |
| Is it? You can't just state something like that as if we all agree with it by default. That said, I do think the current state of "traditional", 2D animation in Japan is better than in the west. This is largely because in the west, most animated shows on TV are either children's cartoons, or "adult" animated sitcoms, which are basically children's cartoons but with dick jokes. Anime has a lot more variety, lots of people like to complain about the anime industry being super homogenised, and although this is true to an extent, there's still more of a willingness to create new stuff than in the west. One of the main reasons for this is because the majority of animators in the west with any modicum of talent have moved onto CGI animation, leaving traditional animation in the dust, used only by amateur directors/animators, in Japan it seems like lots of people are flat out against CGI animation, which is kinda silly, but it ensures that there are still a lot of professional industry veterans working solely on traditional animation. As for comparing anime to western live action, I'm not going to do that, because that is an apples vs. oranges situation. |
| Live action shows have more general appeal than animation, in...general. Don't think you're gonna find many people who prefer cartoons to real people pretty much(I mean..here you will obviously). If we aren't talking about the general opinion, you're just preaching to choir. |
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| Anime has a lot of genres to choose from. They make hundreds of anime every year and each is creative in their own way. 2d > 3d Zura said it best:  |
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| I like ongoing storylines, and not many Western cartoons deliver that (but when they do, it's typically fuckin' awesome like Avatar and Korra). Therefore, I turn to anime. |
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| For me it isn't, anime is just another medium to watch. Adventure Time for me is a billion times more entertaining than boring Grimgar, Regular Show is a billion times more entertaining than shitty No Game No Life and Young Justice completely shits on Akame Ga Kill. It's a case by case thing for me though, some western cartoons and shows will be more entertaining to me than some anime and vice versa. |
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| I don't have a preference. Anime is more diverse than Western cartoons, but Japan also puts out more cartoons than the West. When it comes to live-action TV shows, they never end. They go on until the rating goes out. Anime actually end and are a whole story. That's easier to follow and more fun to watch. |
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| I think cartoons lack the depth of anime, that's why anime are more entertaining for me. |
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| i wouldn't say it is. i'd of agree years ago but TV is in a golden age right now. well, live action atleast, cartoons not so much. my favorite current ongoing shows in order 1) Game of Thrones 2) The Night Manager 3) Daredevil 4) Mr. Robot 5) Jojo's Bizarre Adventure 6) Humans 7) Jessica Jones 8) Gotham 9) Flash 10) Agents of Shield |
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| I agree with the poster from page 1, it's a pointless thread. Also, most anime are still boring too (especially 2014 anime that weeaboos thought was awesome and also thought was better than my kids shows). Back in my day, I didn't have to worry about typical stereotypes or boring art-style that are attached or found in boring stuff like Naruto (dropped during Shippuden), Inuyasha (my sister tried to watch this series via Blu-ray then fell asleep), Fairy Tail (dropped) or One Piece (also dropped). At least most western animation doesn't force me to watch them episode after episode, but in any order I like (I re-watched every episode of Superman: TAS very quickly and effortlessly). Episodic cartoon/anime shows like Outlaw Star or whatever are better to watch over and over in the long run, take it or leave it. |
| As for anime versus Western cartoons, I'd have to say anime has a little more variety. In the West, cartoons are mostly either (1) kids' stuff, or (2) adult low-brow humor. There are exceptions, or course, but I think they mostly fall into one of these two camps. Not that either of these are bad by any means; I've enjoyed many shows from both catergories. (I actually let out an audible "Woo-hoo!" when I recently came across one of my childhood favorites Animaniacs on Netflix.) But overall, I think anime offers more to choose from. As for anime versus other Western shows, I think it's not so much anime being overall better, but that Western television has so much garbage dragging the average down, if you will. For every Breaking Bad, there are twenty [Insert Some Random Activity Here] Wars. For every How It's Made, there are multiple entire seasons of Ancient Aliens. (I could go on forever, but I think you get the point.) Now sure, there's a lot of bad anime, too. But even the worst anime is still going to have more care, effort, and budget put into it than most reality shows. It comes down to probability, I'm more likely to find an anime I'm interested in than I am to find a tiny island of quality in a sea of "reality." |
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