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| 5 out of 5: Loved it! | 715 | 64.47% | |
| 4 out of 5: Liked it | 147 | 13.26% | |
| 3 out of 5: It was OK | 86 | 7.75% | |
| 2 out of 5: Disliked it | 42 | 3.79% | |
| 1 out of 5: Hated it | 119 | 10.73% |
Voters: 1109
#721
06-21-12, 10:40 PM
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Offline Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 80 |
Timmeyy said: In my oppinion there's nobody except kotonoha who would deserve a happy ending in this story. I felt sorry for her since she is basicly the only one who did nothing wrong to begin with (unless you dont like people who dont stand up for themselfs). I'm the same with you. I hated everyone but Kotonoha. Makoto had everything he could ever want right in front of him, but passed it up because it was "too much work". He got what he deserved, although I'm still wishy washy about it. While justice was served with cold iron, Kotonoha is now alone and trapped in her own insanity. |
#722
06-22-12, 3:51 AM
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Offline Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 3 |
I just finished watching the series and i think the ending was good. Just had one thaught that when sekai mailed ito '' sorry ......farewell'' insted it should have been like " sorry....... Die Bitch ! " hahahahh XD. And ya one more ,was sekai really pregnent even though she opened her up is it possible 2 know whether she was that way. |
#723
06-27-12, 3:00 PM
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Offline Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 2347 |
Ahahahahah. That was an AWESOME ending. Makoto got what he deserved. As did Sekai. I'm a bit sad for Kotonoha though. She was a cute, innocent, quiet girl before this all happened. She was just too weak mentally which is why she ended up the way she did. Throughout the series I wanted to hug the screen to comfort her lol. Also, people seem to think this kind of stuff doesn't happen IRL. That ending was so good because it happens IRL too, so it was interesting to see it in an anime. Modified by Yvese, 06-27-12, 3:20 PM |
#725
06-29-12, 2:55 PM
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Offline Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3187 |
Nichibotsu-kaeru said: this was terrible, i thought it was going to be good, just felt cheap and fake, Makoto is the biggest problem i have with the series, not only is he a complete dick, but i think he is to much of an unrealistic character, all of it is to unrealistic and i found it hard to take seriously I lol really hard at the people who call this unrealistic. It's a damned bit more realistic than most harem anime out there. If you were in Makoto's position and about 16 or so (I dont remember the ages). You would probably stick it in just about anything that gave you the opportunity instead of being the asexual thick as pudding leads in most other anime of the same genre. For this I applaud the anime as it portrays how a teenager would think very well. I knew a good few people that were like Makoto as I was going through my Secondary School years and I can say that it's a good interpretation. I envy you for living in what must clearly be a bubble. Sure the end result is an extreme case but the emotions being played on by all parties are probably close to what would actually happen in a more realistic example. It's just funny how people moan about how this turned out when we get alot of shitty romance anime where nothing happens after 12 episodes. At least there was a pretty solid conclusion to all this instead of all the open ended crap we normally get. ![]() |
#726
06-29-12, 9:25 PM
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Offline Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 658 |
ahahaha oh wow that was just insanely sick. but yeah the main char deserved that due to his own actions, getting deeper and deeper into troubles and stuff. oh man, the series was pretty good it's probably going to be stuck in my mind for awhile and with that insane ending as well. lol. |
#727
06-29-12, 10:33 PM
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Offline Joined: May 2012 Posts: 499 |
its good that i spoil the ending..it doesn't affect me... :rotfl: ![]() |
#728
06-30-12, 1:28 PM
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Offline Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 338 |
I'm kinda neutral to gore but that ending was just plain creepy. Great show as a whole though. ![]() |
#729
07-08-12, 6:55 PM
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Offline Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 106 |
Just watched this for the second time. All in all the only truly good character was the short haired girl.. I forget her name. Secondly would be my fave char Setsuna. Yes laying with Makoto was wrong but she did like him second (Otome was technically first ya?) I didn't notice the first time but they never showed that other guy after the "rape". Everything was funnier the second time around. Anyways. It's kinda obvious in my mind that everyone will find out that Kotohana will get arrested (or sent to the loony bin) for the murder of Sekai. I would say Makoto too but they can find evidence at Sekai's house to prove otherwise and such. This is because that's her family's boat and she'd be missing so.. I doubt she would have starved by then. It's been real School Days. RIPieces Makoto you bastard pimp you. |
#730
07-09-12, 1:20 AM
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Offline Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 1 |
Liked it but I don't think Makoto should have died for his actions, even though he was rotten to the core but he is a teen. Also, I feel the girls were part of the problem, they should have moved on to other people, it's not like they didn't know he was cheating on them. I |
#731
07-09-12, 12:41 PM
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Offline Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 482 |
Wow.... just... WOW! Somehow i knew Makoto was going to die, i figured that out in around episode 10. God damit what an idiot he was! Everytime he hooked up with a girl, i took myself in punching my table... I hopes that both Katsura and Saionji would survive, and live on with a happy endning... But that didn't hapopend :/ I rly fell sry for Katsura. She was so cute in the first episodes, but the way she got kicked to the ground time after time after time was just too much. The makers of School Days made a good job with this anime. I think it's the first time i feel so "twisted" after watching an anime :S O'Hai :D ![]() |
#732
07-09-12, 2:20 PM
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Offline Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 22 |
Now that is an ending worthy of a great anime. 10/10 for me, definitely. Wasn't expecting it to turn into a total bloodbath. Katsura-san turning into a loony wasn't part of my expectations either, even though the hints were everywhere; she was rather clingy. And when she stabbed Sekai, that was just fantastically done, well graven and will haunt my dreams (haha!). The boat scene was just the icing on the cake. Modified by Pheneks, 07-09-12, 2:23 PM |
#733
07-12-12, 10:03 PM
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Offline Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 26 |
kikoredog said: i was screaming what the fk the entire last half of this episode, literally, 4 am and i woke my roommates up. I also threw up, srsly, like i gagged, and then threw up. this anime was fked , the creators are fking sick and now i'm scarred for life and half my soul has been taken from me. DO NOT WATCH THIS ANIME PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. whatever you do don't watch Elfen Lied or Blood-C (bonus points for the blu-ray version of Blood-C) |
#734
07-16-12, 7:13 AM
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Offline Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 158 |
Riptos said: I lol really hard at the people who call this unrealistic. It's a damned bit more realistic than most harem anime out there. If you were in Makoto's position and about 16 or so (I dont remember the ages). The ending of this anime is realistic, a lot more realistic than the endings of most other harem anime. What isn't realistic is the setup that brought us to that ending. The problem is they played the harem theme a bit too straight up until the end, meaning they also inherited the main problem of the whole genre - horrible characterization. In order for anyone to love/lust someone else, that someone has to have certain personality and physical traits. Our main protagonist here is the standard no personality, no likable trait whatsoever harem lead. To make things worse, he still has trouble having a decent conversation with a female even after (miraculously) having slept with about 20 of them. One would think he could at least have some decent pick up lines by then. With the possible exception of Kotonoha and Setsuna, none of the other female characters have any reason to even think about Makoto, let alone want to have sex with him or worse, love him. But they still do, since they also inherited the "personalities" of standard harem females, aka love/lust for the MC, just because he's the MC. In order for a genre deconstruction to be any good, one doesn't only lead the story to a logical conclusion, there has to be some modicum of effort put into characterization. Good and popular examples would be Evangelion and Madoka. Both of those shows stem from genres that aren't exactly known for their character development (granted, they're not as infamously horrible as the harem genre) but they still put some effort into actually giving a backstory and motivation to their main characters before giving us the ending. Eva does it a lot more thoroughly, but I mentioned Madoka because it's an anime of similar length to School Days that still manages to give a proper motivational and emotional structure to at least three of the main characters before giving us the bittersweet finale. Hell, even something as simple as making Makoto a member of a popular school band or a successful sportsman would've been enough to give at least some of the women in the show a real reason to think twice about him. EDIT: In short, while this show does deconstruct the harem genre, it also treats its viewers as morons who are supposed to take some cliches of that genre as unchangeable and sacred, while at the same time discarding others. Modified by razor39999, 07-16-12, 7:47 AM "In the distant future I see open fields for far more important researches. Psychology will be based on a new foundation, that of the necessary acquirement of each mental power and capacity by gradation. Light will be thrown on the origin of man and his history." (Darwin, 1859) |
#735
07-17-12, 12:38 AM
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Offline Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 241 |
That's also my biggest gripe with School days. But I can try to rationalize it although I would never call it realistic. I think what many people forget is that for the first 8-9 episodes he's only involved with Sekai and Kotonoha. And I found the relationship between those 3 very well executed. Especially the decline with Kotonoha, having the responsibilities but no real benefits. And on the other hand this fun carefree friendship that gets progressively more and more carefree. An extremely realistic situation actually. I can also see how those two have grown to love him. Throughout the entire story the only other girls with a minor emotional connection to Makoto are Setsuna and Otome (childhood friend). There is some context for why they want him but not in such major ways as with Sekai and Kotonoha. They never fight for him and don't love him. And why they both reject him in the end, after sex admittedly but still. Again, not very realistic but there is some context. Aside from those 4, he sleeps with 4 other girls. And that number is deceiving since one of those encounters is a foursome with three girls that are portrayed as a single character throughout the story. These are all clearly acts of pure lust and curiousness. Not entirely outside of the realm of possibility. Makoto's decline as a character is quite hard to notice because hes an asshole from pretty much the beginning. And by the end of the show we have the feeling he has slept with around 20 characters. I'd say this is where School Days shines. Sekai grows more needy and Kotonoha more crazy(lol) and all of a sudden Otome and Setsuna fall in his lap. He's already been cheating right? So why stop now? And after these two he turns completely emotionless. Up to that point there was always some hesitation but after that he becomes a sex machine. And that's also clear in his behavior towards girls. He does develop some smoothness and he definitely has the smugness and arrogance of a player towards the end. The order in which he sleeps with the girls and the emotional connection he has to them is steadily declining and I think that's why I feel I wasn't treated like a moron. The show had a really "live in the moment" feel to it. And the moments that came felt well paced and flowed naturally so I didn't question them. Combined with Makoto's almost unnoticeable but not absent character decline the believability of it all wasn't an issue for me. But yes ultimately Makoto is a blank slate and that is a shame. |
#736
07-17-12, 7:08 AM
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Offline Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 158 |
Actually yes, it would've been better as a love triangle story and not a harem, but there's still the problem of Sekai. She had pretty much no reason to start liking him. She heard from Setsuna that he was nice to her once in the past. Going from that into setting up the meeting with Kotonoha within one in-universe day is pretty much ludicrous. If it were Setsuna doing it, I'd buy that, but not Sekai. The rest of it, as they say, is just history. And yes, sorry for exaggerating about the number of women he slept with. "In the distant future I see open fields for far more important researches. Psychology will be based on a new foundation, that of the necessary acquirement of each mental power and capacity by gradation. Light will be thrown on the origin of man and his history." (Darwin, 1859) |
#737
07-17-12, 10:53 PM
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Offline Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 338 |
Yeah, I agree that Matoka had it coming, but I just felt kinda bad for him. Even if it was only during the last 2 episodes, he had an epiphany and wanted to set himself straight and fix his life with Kotohona. It was a bit too late for him to start doing that, though, as Kotohona was still mostly insane. Sekai was pregnant (supposedly), and needed him then more than ever. Sekai went insane when she found out he wanted to get back together with Kotohona (who had also gone mad), and killed him. I thought the show was rather realistic (although extreme) and did a good job giving its characters actual emotions. The characters always reacted emotionally exactly how you would expect, and for the most part no suspension of disbelief was ever required. The only part I was really skeptical about was the role of adult authorities. There were none. You never see any parents, and the only ones that were ever mentioned was Kotohona's and Sekai's. There was only one teacher, in charge of only one class, and for the most part the entire school seemed detached from anything that didn't have to do with learning inside the school. If anyone can name just ONE school in real life that would approve a festival to get kids laid, I will take back everything I just said. I also found it rather hard to believe that Matoka was having sex with so many people, but all of the girls seemed to have a reason. Kotohona was originally Matoka's girlfriend, and they both liked each other even before Sekai set up their relationship, so it was mutual. Otome thought he was a great guy because of how he acted in middle school, but rethought her decision after she realized what kind of guy he was. Satsune didn't really love him, but she liked him because of how he helped her in the past, and also because her best friend loved him. The implied sex scene between Satsune and Matoka was because she was desperate to do anything she could to make sure he would take her place as Sekai's closest friend when she left for France. Sekai... I'm not too sure. She was never really given a good reason to like Matoka in the first place. As for all the other random girls, they slept with Matoka because they knew about all of the girls he had slept with, and wanted to see how experienced he was. They were just sluts being sluts. This is a 10/10 for me, and it seriously makes me reconsider how generous I am with anime scores. Modified by Laraso, 07-17-12, 11:02 PM Some parts of this post may be exaggerated. |
#738
07-19-12, 8:57 PM
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Offline Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 107 |
I am speechless. 9/10. that is all. Modified by d-wella, 07-19-12, 11:34 PM "Ally to good, nightmare for you." |
#739
07-25-12, 2:56 PM
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Offline Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 4040 |
Lol what the hell did I just watch? I heard about the ending but it still caught me off guard. Have to admit I actually enjoyed watching Makoto die. He deserved it. Never have I hated someone as much as him. And fucking kotonoha going psycho too. I can't give this a good score because I hate everything about this anime but just because of the ending ... 6/10 would never watch again |
#740
07-27-12, 4:55 AM
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Offline Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 830 |
It's a good show, I don't know why your dime a dozen cliche fantasy romance anime like Air and Kanon get good scores while this which is completley unique gets a poor score. I also don't think alot of people here seem to fully get this show. |









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