cads said: but this is fine too, pace is too slow for an animated VN. Kinda funny how VN fans are complaining they are rushing through the routes too much though. BahamutZero said: It was really damage control that they announced the planning of a second season early I think Well, they had to. Theres no point in a Little Busters adaption in the first place if they don't animate Refrain. The entire first season builds up to that. |
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| Well, i hope there are chance to animate the three new heroines in ecstasy. |
zril said: The more I watch LB the more I think Kyoani didn't wan't to adapt it because it was so bad compared to previous Key VNs. I mean, mc is lame as hell, the only thing good about him is its narcolepsy but they aren't even doing anything with it, even though it would be quite easy. There are 3 other guys but they are useless and not fun. During the first 10 episodes of Clannad, Sunohara did ten times more than all of them combined for now, in terms of both comedy and drama. Girls are also very disappointing, Komari and Kud are annoying as hell, the rest look not so bad but I feel they are just weaker versions of previous Key characters with some little tweaks... I'm pretty much a Kyoani fanboy, I liked Hyouka and Chuuni, and I'm enjoying Tamako (not as much though). But I liked Clannad and Kanon for both story and good production value. But I feel that even Kyoani wouldn't have been able to make something good off LB,I mean as good as Clannad or Kanon. But now I'm reading that LB is the most successful Key VN ever. So can anyone tell me what happened there ? Is J.C. Staff so bad that they are able to ruin a masterpiece ? I can see that their adaptation is cheap, and that it would have been a lot prettier done by Kyoani. But it shouldn't be so dramatically different, Clannad is one of my favorites, whereas LB looks like a bad slice of life comedy punctuated by bad drama, I'm only watching because I've still some remaining faith in Key. Or is Kyoani that good at conveying Key material ? Why don't you try the VN to see it to yourself? This is just going repetitive. True that LB has bad slice of life humor, more or less likely, most of the time. Regarding to the drama effect, I can say it's JC Staff's fault and I can say KyoAni can do better about it BUT I can see it will make only slight difference. zril said: Or is Kyoani that good at conveying Key material ? I may agree with this but KyoAni wouldn't handle LB due to its complicated storyline which is why they didn't want to adapt LB. |
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| Harukas route took out like half the content... its by far the longest route of the VN and the lack of time it had to adapt it butchered it. And this is coming from someone who was quite happy with the adaption beforehand. It needed like 5 episodes to do well. So many important scenes were flat out removed. Some even important enough they got their own CGs, like the cell phone scene (which was even in the VN Opening as one of the highlights of Harukas route). |
RyanSaotomeFeb 10, 2013 9:15 AM
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| Kyoani stated that they were too busy to adapt it. (hyouka at the time, then chuuni/tamako filled up the timeslot) and trust me, execution can make ALL the difference. want proof? kanon 2006 > kanon 2002 Clannad > clannad movie not only are the kyoani versions better.. they're MUCH MUCH more better than the toei adaptions. |
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| Theres always the VN at least, which I recommend to anyone who is watching the anime. Its far better in every way and actually has a strong emotional impact which the anime lacks. |
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| Well theres always the chance that the anime doesn't cover the EX routes (Kanata, Sasami and Saya), so you could always read that one and it'll have a lot of brand new stuff. H-scenes too if you're into that thing. |
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RyanSaotome said: H-scenes too if you're into that thing. Key's H-scenes are terrible though. |
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| The writing isn't great and the music for those scenes isn't fitting, but at least the art for the Na-Ga girls is pretty good. |
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| I'm pretty sure that LB sold about the same as Clannad if you count in the console and handheld re-releases. Air beats both of them though. Also those links you posted are just random peoples opinions. I thought the girls routes were great overall, and I shed many tears during them (only Kud and Komari weren't great). And after playing Clannad, Little Busters and Rewrite, Little Busters is easily my favorite of those 3 (never played the earlier ones, just watched the anime). |
RyanSaotomeFeb 10, 2013 9:58 AM
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| Well EX is the entire LB story, just with added h-scenes in each route (they were already hinted at for the most part in the original... anime removed the romance though). And it also adds 3 extra routes along with the established story, to more fully flesh out two important side characters and add a new character. |
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jmal said: RyanSaotome said: H-scenes too if you're into that thing. Hm, probably not for a read like Little Busters. I prefer serious/emotional VNs to have minimal to no sex scenes. When they do occur I'd like them to grow organically from the plot and occur in appropriate spots, rather than sex for the sake of meeting the eroge sex quota (in which case I'd rather it be yuri anyway). So anything more than once a route would probably be pushing it. More often than not I'd probably be fine with all-ages versions. Then you want no part of any Key H-scenes, as they are the very definition of sex scenes for the sake of having sex scenes, Air, Kanon and Little Busters lose absolutely nothing by leaving them out. Unless EX is not a terribly serious story, I mean, in which case it doesn't matter as much. EX is the same story, just with 3 additional routes. |
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zril said: Also, why no romance ? Even MAL states romance in the genres. I know it would probably be bad with such a lame MC but it could hardly be worst anyway... Because in the VN, the protagonist and the heroine(Depending on which heroine you take), it has tons of intimacy between them(I could say most of or all LB heroines were set to high to highest bar of intimacy level unlike Clannad VN where only 3 heroines were set to high to highest bar) on their stories unlike in the anime which it has 0 intimacy(At the moment). Whether this is JC Staff error or something else, obviously and most likely it will take time to see the romance since you know that the protagonist will always end up with the main heroine when that time comes but I doubt it that it would last long. |
TennoujiFeb 10, 2013 4:37 PM
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zril said: Yerld said: zril said: But now I'm reading that LB is the most successful Key VN ever. Where did you read that? Key sales have been in decline ever since the high points of AIR and Clannad, so it's not true that LB is their most successful VN. Critically, the latter was far more controversial upon release, but the negativity has been drowned out by praise over time. You can read some of the older reports and comments on the matter, even amongst English speaking fandom: http://zepy.momotato.com/2007/08/09/little-busters/" target="_blank">http://web.archive.org/web/20071029155106/http://zepy.momotato.com/2007/08/09/little-busters/ http://forums.novelnews.net/showpost.php?p=24642&postcount=68 http://forums.novelnews.net/showpost.php?p=25392&postcount=124 http://forums.novelnews.net/showpost.php?p=25805&postcount=147 http://forums.novelnews.net/showpost.php?p=25832&postcount=149 Back then, there were lots of opinions that Little Busters is an average (if not mediocre) visual novel until Refrain elevates it to something great. While I can't speak for every reader, my suspicion is that for a good many, Refrain is memorable and fulfilling enough to vindicate the earlier faults and make it all worthwhile (as they still build on the bond between reader and characters, preparing the former for the real deal). Thank you, it makes more sense now. I'll have faith and wait till that refrain thing, even though I doubt it being that good given how bad the beginning is. At least Clannad s1 was interesting, tomoya is so awesome whereas riki is so lame. I think most of the difference is here, Kanon and Air had good MCs as well. Also, why no romance ? Even MAL states romance in the genres. I know it would probably be bad with such a lame MC but it could hardly be worst anyway... note : as for where I read that, someone said this and I misinterpreted it a little: Little busters! was the number one top selling game in 2007, and is acclaimed by many as one of the best visual novels in existence. rated 8.9 on vndb (a whole point higher than kanon) I'm trying not to laugh at the whole MC and the boys thing. I believe that key intended to give you that kind of feeling towards Riki -- his feminine/weak qualities actually become a plot point in Refrain. Once Rin's route occurs, the boys will have a more role in the story. Essentially, Refrain is the original Little Busters! route; all the boys will get their chance to shine there. I believe JC Staff cut the romance out of the character routes because they're trying to do a linear route like Clannad. There is a probably for 2 characters to get romance though. Like Sa-chan said, just wait and the romance will be there... eventually, although it will not the amount of romance as Tomoya and Nagisa. |
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| It was an intentional choice by JC Staff, and the right one. It wouldn't make sense in the anime format if Riki was going around dating all the girls at the same time. With the VN, yo have to start a new game once you finish each route so the story doesn't carry over, so it makes more sense to do romance. It coulda done the format like Amagami did I guess, but it wouldn't make sense with the common route thrown in there too. |
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RyanSaotome said: It was an intentional choice by JC Staff, and the right one. It wouldn't make sense in the anime format if Riki was going around dating all the girls at the same time. With the VN, yo have to start a new game once you finish each route so the story doesn't carry over, so it makes more sense to do romance. ... School Days 2 anyone? LOL |
hpulley said: RyanSaotome said: It was an intentional choice by JC Staff, and the right one. It wouldn't make sense in the anime format if Riki was going around dating all the girls at the same time. With the VN, yo have to start a new game once you finish each route so the story doesn't carry over, so it makes more sense to do romance. ... School Days 2 anyone? LOL |
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mitch3315 said: hpulley said: RyanSaotome said: It was an intentional choice by JC Staff, and the right one. It wouldn't make sense in the anime format if Riki was going around dating all the girls at the same time. With the VN, yo have to start a new game once you finish each route so the story doesn't carry over, so it makes more sense to do romance. ... School Days 2 anyone? LOL I don't know if I should laugh or cry. |
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| OMG Yes!!!! Thank you XD. |
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RyanSaotome said: It was an intentional choice by JC Staff, and the right one. It wouldn't make sense in the anime format if Riki was going around dating all the girls at the same time. With the VN, yo have to start a new game once you finish each route so the story doesn't carry over, so it makes more sense to do romance. It coulda done the format like Amagami did I guess, but it wouldn't make sense with the common route thrown in there too. Had they done that they could have easily made a school days with friendship and moe...Thank god they didn't... |
| MAL now shows 25 episodes. Does that mean we'll never get this announcement?! Nooo! |
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RyanSaotome said: MAL got it wrong. TV guide magazines in Japan show 26 episodes with the last episode to be aired on Apr 6th. The last episode has Riki suddenly becoming the team leader.MAL now shows 25 episodes. Does that mean we'll never get this announcement?! Nooo! |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| hope they add some romance to it |
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symbv said: RyanSaotome said: MAL got it wrong. TV guide magazines in Japan show 26 episodes with the last episode to be aired on Apr 6th. The last episode has Riki suddenly becoming the team leader.MAL now shows 25 episodes. Does that mean we'll never get this announcement?! Nooo! Yeah I figured, the DVD/BD Vol. 9 has episodes 25-26 as well, and it wouldn't count the OVA as episode 26 since you need to send in the receipts for all 9 volumes to get it. |
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RyanSaotome said: MAL now shows 25 episodes. Does that mean we'll never get this announcement?! Nooo! I don't think so. Even if this season really ends with episode 25 or it's still episode 26, either way we're still getting an announcement about the continuation after the last episode of this season. -Fuji- said: hope they add some romance to it It's confirmed that season 1 had no romance. You should probably wait for season 2. |
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RisingCascade said: There's no way we'd be done after this coming season. Give them time, they're working on something really good in the making and hell I could give less of a damn if they don't live up to VN expectations/artwork. For one, I actually think this adaptation is strong despite my previous skepticism. I love the anime! Even without romance I find it is very emotional, highly engaging, funny, very rewatchable. Definitely deserves its sales though I know the producers wish they were even higher. |
hpulleyMar 29, 2013 3:00 AM
| https://twitter.com/litbus_anime/statuses/317285350244503553 The official twitter account is telling people to make sure they watch the final minute of Episode 26. A trailer and announcement for Refrain, perhaps? |
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RyanSaotome said: https://twitter.com/litbus_anime/statuses/317285350244503553 The official twitter account is telling people to make sure they watch the final minute of Episode 26. A trailer and announcement for Refrain, perhaps? I am surprised every anime watcher doesn't know this already: ALWAYS WATCH TO THE VERY END OF ANIME EPISODES, ESPECIALLY THE LAST ONE!!!!! There are people who didn't watch the last few minutes of Angel Beats... |
hpulley said: RyanSaotome said: https://twitter.com/litbus_anime/statuses/317285350244503553 The official twitter account is telling people to make sure they watch the final minute of Episode 26. A trailer and announcement for Refrain, perhaps? I am surprised every anime watcher doesn't know this already: ALWAYS WATCH TO THE VERY END OF ANIME EPISODES, ESPECIALLY THE LAST ONE!!!!! There are people who didn't watch the last few minutes of Angel Beats... My friend didn't do that yesterday, and completely missed the ending with |
hpulley said: RyanSaotome said: https://twitter.com/litbus_anime/statuses/317285350244503553 The official twitter account is telling people to make sure they watch the final minute of Episode 26. A trailer and announcement for Refrain, perhaps? I am surprised every anime watcher doesn't know this already: ALWAYS WATCH TO THE VERY END OF ANIME EPISODES, ESPECIALLY THE LAST ONE!!!!! There are people who didn't watch the last few minutes of Angel Beats... You're right on there, always watch till the end, I mean watching the ED one last time isn't that bad is it? |
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AO968 said: Exinnocence said: Shouldn't they have thought of this before they animated the series? I think they planned this all along, though. Maybe they had already decided to make it split-cour (or whatever) back then and decided to let people know now than wait half a year and leave everyone in suspense. exactly |
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