| I was rewatching bleach and, when I was watching the fight I was curious why did Ichigo even use The Final Getsuga Tenshou? He was already at a higher level then, Azien without using it so it makes no sense to me. He didn't even try to hollowfy + Gatsuga Tenshou. He could have beaten Aizen with that for all we know >.> |
| I don't have a very big knowledge about Bleach ... But I think Ichigo couldn't don his mask because his Inner Hollow fused with Zangetsu. And even if Ichigo was incredibly strong in the fight, Aizen kept evolving and transforming. I think that he used his Final Getsuga Tenshou because he only would either stop or kill Aizen by using his ultimate technique. |
| I have wondered about this same exact thing too, even this fight. It also felt like Aizen was dumbed down, he used to be able to read dozens of steps ahead, but he didn't even understand things that were happening right in front of him. And yeah seeing as he was easily ahead just using his regular powers, why would he even think of using that move. Even a regular getsuga tenshou in that mode would be able to beat him. Hollow mask and that mode should have been enough to easily beat him, the Hogyoku can only heal a certain amount at a time. Though he could have used it just to end it fast before he had a chance to evolve. I think the reason is they already had Aizen get too strong, and Ichigo had gained enough strength to easily beat the Aizen who was able to easily beat the Captains, some without even using his shikai. So Ichigo using the final getsuga tenshou and losing his powers was so that the story could continue without him being the strongest person in the show. And it allows him to gain a different power(Fullbring). It's all because the mangaka didn't take into account the power balance, that's why people lose their powers like every five minutes and get them back(even though it's "supposed" to be impossible). |
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IntroverTurtle said: I have wondered about this same exact thing too, even this fight. It also felt like Aizen was dumbed down, he used to be able to read dozens of steps ahead, but he didn't even understand things that were happening right in front of him. And yeah seeing as he was easily ahead just using his regular powers, why would he even think of using that move. Even a regular getsuga tenshou in that mode would be able to beat him. Hollow mask and that mode should have been enough to easily beat him, the Hogyoku can only heal a certain amount at a time. Though he could have used it just to end it fast before he had a chance to evolve. I think the reason is they already had Aizen get too strong, and Ichigo had gained enough strength to easily beat the Aizen who was able to easily beat the Captains, some without even using his shikai. So Ichigo using the final getsuga tenshou and losing his powers was so that the story could continue without him being the strongest person in the show. And it allows him to gain a different power(Fullbring). It's all because the mangaka didn't take into account the power balance, that's why people lose their powers like every five minutes and get them back(even though it's "supposed" to be impossible). I figured it would be something like that.... Make Aizen OP as all hell then, make ichigo suffer for it on a side note wouldn't he still be OP when he regains his abilities? All of those abilities should come back also. Never mind the fact that Kisuke fought Aizen and, Isshin near equally without using his Bankai |
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MidnightPride said: Afterwards Kisuke explained something about how the training Ichigo did in the "In between world, I forget the name" was coming undone, since he basically bended time(I guess) for those powers, it naturally went back to the time before he went into that "in between world".I figured it would be something like that.... Make Aizen OP as all hell then, make ichigo suffer for it on a side note wouldn't he still be OP when he regains his abilities? All of those abilities should come back also. Never mind the fact that Kisuke fought Aizen and, Isshin near equally without using his Bankai |
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IntroverTurtle said: MidnightPride said: Afterwards Kisuke explained something about how the training Ichigo did in the "In between world, I forget the name" was coming undone, since he basically bended time(I guess) for those powers, it naturally went back to the time before he went into that "in between world".I figured it would be something like that.... Make Aizen OP as all hell then, make ichigo suffer for it on a side note wouldn't he still be OP when he regains his abilities? All of those abilities should come back also. Never mind the fact that Kisuke fought Aizen and, Isshin near equally without using his Bankai Lol not even going to go into how unlogical that is xD Regardless of how time moves compared to another dimension the physical amount of time spent in another will still remain. |
MidnightPride said: Not in the Bleach universe, you have also forgot how Ichigo has lost his powers twice, both times people saying you can never get them back. Ishida was supposed to have lost his powers fully too.IntroverTurtle said: MidnightPride said: Afterwards Kisuke explained something about how the training Ichigo did in the "In between world, I forget the name" was coming undone, since he basically bended time(I guess) for those powers, it naturally went back to the time before he went into that "in between world".I figured it would be something like that.... Make Aizen OP as all hell then, make ichigo suffer for it on a side note wouldn't he still be OP when he regains his abilities? All of those abilities should come back also. Never mind the fact that Kisuke fought Aizen and, Isshin near equally without using his Bankai Lol not even going to go into how unlogical that is xD Regardless of how time moves compared to another dimension the physical amount of time spent in another will still remain. |
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IntroverTurtle said: MidnightPride said: Not in the Bleach universe, you have also forgot how Ichigo has lost his powers twice, both times people saying you can never get them back. Ishida was supposed to have lost his powers fully too.IntroverTurtle said: MidnightPride said: Afterwards Kisuke explained something about how the training Ichigo did in the "In between world, I forget the name" was coming undone, since he basically bended time(I guess) for those powers, it naturally went back to the time before he went into that "in between world".I figured it would be something like that.... Make Aizen OP as all hell then, make ichigo suffer for it on a side note wouldn't he still be OP when he regains his abilities? All of those abilities should come back also. Never mind the fact that Kisuke fought Aizen and, Isshin near equally without using his Bankai Lol not even going to go into how unlogical that is xD Regardless of how time moves compared to another dimension the physical amount of time spent in another will still remain. Well with the first time he lost his power they weren't really his soul reaper powers they were rukia which is why he had to actually go through the process of getting them. However ishida is explainable >.> |
MidnightPride said: That's if you believe that explanation is logical. You are only supposed to have one soul chain and soul resevoir(or something like that), isn't it like some spirit organ or something like that, so I don't see how Rukia giving him her power would create a new one. And the second time was just as magical, it's like in dragonball when someone dies, and they say lets just find the dragonballs no need to worry about death. Dues ex Machina, I believe is the word, that kinda goes with my thing about the mangaka not taking the power balance into mind and creating some plot holes.IntroverTurtle said: MidnightPride said: Not in the Bleach universe, you have also forgot how Ichigo has lost his powers twice, both times people saying you can never get them back. Ishida was supposed to have lost his powers fully too.IntroverTurtle said: MidnightPride said: Afterwards Kisuke explained something about how the training Ichigo did in the "In between world, I forget the name" was coming undone, since he basically bended time(I guess) for those powers, it naturally went back to the time before he went into that "in between world".I figured it would be something like that.... Make Aizen OP as all hell then, make ichigo suffer for it on a side note wouldn't he still be OP when he regains his abilities? All of those abilities should come back also. Never mind the fact that Kisuke fought Aizen and, Isshin near equally without using his Bankai Lol not even going to go into how unlogical that is xD Regardless of how time moves compared to another dimension the physical amount of time spent in another will still remain. Well with the first time he lost his power they weren't really his soul reaper powers they were rukia which is why he had to actually go through the process of getting them. However ishida is explainable >.> I don't remember how they explained Ishida losing his powers. I don't understand how shooting him near the heart would bring back his powers(unless it's the soul chain) and if it was the soul chain then how did he lose his powers in the first place. |
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IntroverTurtle said: MidnightPride said: That's if you believe that explanation is logical. You are only supposed to have one soul chain and soul resevoir(or something like that), isn't it like some spirit organ or something like that, so I don't see how Rukia giving him her power would create a new one. And the second time was just as magical, it's like in dragonball when someone dies, and they say lets just find the dragonballs no need to worry about death. Dues ex Machina, I believe is the word, that kinda goes with my thing about the mangaka not taking the power balance into mind and creating some plot holes.IntroverTurtle said: MidnightPride said: Not in the Bleach universe, you have also forgot how Ichigo has lost his powers twice, both times people saying you can never get them back. Ishida was supposed to have lost his powers fully too.IntroverTurtle said: MidnightPride said: Afterwards Kisuke explained something about how the training Ichigo did in the "In between world, I forget the name" was coming undone, since he basically bended time(I guess) for those powers, it naturally went back to the time before he went into that "in between world".I figured it would be something like that.... Make Aizen OP as all hell then, make ichigo suffer for it on a side note wouldn't he still be OP when he regains his abilities? All of those abilities should come back also. Never mind the fact that Kisuke fought Aizen and, Isshin near equally without using his Bankai Lol not even going to go into how unlogical that is xD Regardless of how time moves compared to another dimension the physical amount of time spent in another will still remain. Well with the first time he lost his power they weren't really his soul reaper powers they were rukia which is why he had to actually go through the process of getting them. However ishida is explainable >.> I don't remember how they explained Ishida losing his powers. I don't understand how shooting him near the heart would bring back his powers(unless it's the soul chain) and if it was the soul chain then how did he lose his powers in the first place. Well if you look at it that way then, regardless of whos power is inside or influencing your soul chain if it's broke it's broke no fixing or getting back xD |
MidnightPride said: Yeah that's how I thought it worked in the beginning, but I don't understand Kubo at all.IntroverTurtle said: MidnightPride said: That's if you believe that explanation is logical. You are only supposed to have one soul chain and soul resevoir(or something like that), isn't it like some spirit organ or something like that, so I don't see how Rukia giving him her power would create a new one. And the second time was just as magical, it's like in dragonball when someone dies, and they say lets just find the dragonballs no need to worry about death. Dues ex Machina, I believe is the word, that kinda goes with my thing about the mangaka not taking the power balance into mind and creating some plot holes.IntroverTurtle said: MidnightPride said: Not in the Bleach universe, you have also forgot how Ichigo has lost his powers twice, both times people saying you can never get them back. Ishida was supposed to have lost his powers fully too.IntroverTurtle said: MidnightPride said: Afterwards Kisuke explained something about how the training Ichigo did in the "In between world, I forget the name" was coming undone, since he basically bended time(I guess) for those powers, it naturally went back to the time before he went into that "in between world".I figured it would be something like that.... Make Aizen OP as all hell then, make ichigo suffer for it on a side note wouldn't he still be OP when he regains his abilities? All of those abilities should come back also. Never mind the fact that Kisuke fought Aizen and, Isshin near equally without using his Bankai Lol not even going to go into how unlogical that is xD Regardless of how time moves compared to another dimension the physical amount of time spent in another will still remain. Well with the first time he lost his power they weren't really his soul reaper powers they were rukia which is why he had to actually go through the process of getting them. However ishida is explainable >.> I don't remember how they explained Ishida losing his powers. I don't understand how shooting him near the heart would bring back his powers(unless it's the soul chain) and if it was the soul chain then how did he lose his powers in the first place. Well if you look at it that way then, regardless of whos power is inside or influencing your soul chain if it's broke it's broke no fixing or getting back xD |
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Candor said: I think Ichigo learned the lesson when he attacked Aizen the first time without putting his mask on so he decided to one-shot Aizen and end this fight once and for all, and well, he wasn't able to defeat him even with FGT. He didn't use his mask probably because he couldn't, even after that fight he didn't use his mask not even once, even in the current arc in the manga. That's the most logical answer out here... :D |
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| Already been said but yeah. He had to use it because even though he was more powerful Aizen would have kept constantly evolving and would soon surpass Ichigo. So in hopes to end it quickly he used Final Getsuga Tenshou in hopes of destroying Aizen permanently. Unfortunately the hyogioku or whatever the hell is called gave him a crazy regeneration to the point where almost nothing could kill him.(What FGT fails to do.) HOWEVER, the Hyogioku or whatever is called is a very strange object as it does have its own will. So once it realized that its current master was so weak against Ichigo it ignored Aizen's will. Leading to him weakening and being imprisoned by Urahara. Others have probably have said this as well so I may just be repeating but we got to remember that essentially his hollow powers and soul reaper powers are both within himself. When Ichigo had to fight Zangetsu to learn of the Final Getsuga Tensho Zangetsu and Hollow Ichigo BECAME ONE. So this essentially got rid of his hollow mask I believe since now his shinigami powers and hollow powers became one enormous power. |
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ilovenikko said: you guys are all so pathetic.. please dont watch the anime if u cant fully understand.. im so mad that until i register this account just to answer ur pathetic question.. because all of u are too stupid i cant hold my self. the dam easy answer is: Ichigo lost his spiritual spirit right from the start of the fight.. of cause he cant use his normal getsuga tenshou and mask.. his only skill will be the final getsuga tenshou for that form. get it now? dont watch bleach again thank you.. u guys cant even get it.. we are on different level now. Lol man your an idiot, even with just using martial skills Ichigo could have decapitated Aizen and left in in a thousand meaty chunks. And no idiot Aizen, Ichigo still had his reiatsu that form of his was his natural release not his final release. It looked different only because of the fact that he was so intune with his zanpaktou. No wonder manga writes don't have to try writing a good plot with idiots like you around, the world thanks you for not making another post. |
ilovenikko said: you guys are all so pathetic.. please dont watch the anime if u cant fully understand.. im so mad that until i register this account just to answer ur pathetic question.. because all of u are too stupid i cant hold my self. the dam easy answer is: Ichigo lost his spiritual spirit right from the start of the fight.. of cause he cant use his normal getsuga tenshou and mask.. his only skill will be the final getsuga tenshou for that form. get it now? dont watch bleach again thank you.. u guys cant even get it.. we are on different level now. LOL, I hope you have realized Ichigo never lost his reiatsu to gain all those "physical abilities". How old are you? Aizen ultimately lost even though he had the hogyoku was because he lost sight as to what his goal was. Throughout the series Aizen's goal was to find someone stronger than him. When Ichigo was fighting him, he couldn't get over the fact that someone was stronger than him. He made up the thing about converting reiatsu to physical power only because he couldn't get over the fact that Ichigo was stronger than him. It's true that Ichigo couldn't use hollowfication because he has already broken the wall between shinigami and hollows, but he still had his reiatsu, which means he could've pulled a getsuga tenshou out his ass anytime he wanted. Please analyze before you assume you are correct. |
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| what you mean? ichigo is not that strong without final getsuga tenshou... if he that strong that why his dad and even uruhara-san come to help? his team (uruhara) is like an elite team.. :p and I think.. even if he in hollow mode.. like when he fighting ulquiorra... I think he still has no chance to win aizen.. :/ dont you see aizen after get slap by final getsuga tenshou? he hasn't die yet right? :o |
makarov52 said: what you mean? ichigo is not that strong without final getsuga tenshou... if he that strong that why his dad and even uruhara-san come to help? his team (uruhara) is like an elite team.. :p and I think.. even if he in hollow mode.. like when he fighting ulquiorra... I think he still has no chance to win aizen.. :/ dont you see aizen after get slap by final getsuga tenshou? he hasn't die yet right? :o I think by the time Ichigo had learned final getsuga tenshou he was stronger than Aizen. There are a few reasons: 1. Ichigo was able to destroy and flatten a mountain down to a plateau with a single swing of his sword, which Aizen first believed was his own power. 2. Ichigo was able to destroy Aizen's kido, which supposedly had the power to bend space and time itself, with a swing of his arm. 3. Ichigo was able to catch Aizen's blade while he swung it at full force. 4. Aizen's full powered attack after evolving multiple times witht he hogyoku was only able to damage one of Ichigo's arms. As to the point of hollowfication, it wouldn't have helped Ichigo at all assuming that he was able to use it. The closer a shinigami comes to a hollow, or a hollow to a shinigami, the stronger they get. Even if Ichigo could use hollowfication, I would assume it would only make him weaker. At that point in time Ichigo was alread a transcending being, neither shinigami nor hollow. Also, Aizen only lived because the hogyoku has crazy regeneration powers, but at that point he was was already weakened very much |
| “If I don't wield the sword, I can't protect you. If I keep wielding the sword, I can't embrace you." -Ichigo Kurosaki |
| Might as well clear this up :( Ichigo didn't sacrifice reiatsu for strength, he was just at another level than Aizen aka he transcended him thus making all Aizen's attacks useless. Then the hogyoku which is a reality warping/desire granting orb, granted Aizen's desire to get stronger which made him about the same level as Ichigo. Ichigo then realized he has to completely erase Aizen to kill him, so he transcended Aizen again by using final getsuga tenshou but it wasn't enough because the hogyoku is too powerful and it probably fulfilled Aizen's desire to live and be a normal shinigami as mentioned by Ichigo when he talked to Urahara. |
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annehime88 said: I'm watching Bleach right now and I'm wondering why 1. They handed Aizen back to Seireitei 2. They Urahara+Ichigo did not fully kill Aizen in the first place? 3. Why Aizen was back to a soul form when he was sealed in a flake-like seal? Dear Kubo sensei, everything is lacking reason now.. it's like no matter how 'blood thirsty' they claim to be they cant kill the single man who caused all their pain or even killed a lot of their comrades? 1. what are they gonna do with aizen in the human world? soul society can lock him up better. 2. the hogyoku is just too powerful, it let aizen survive all those moves and they can't extract t because it's fused with aizen. 3. it was a seal to trap him, aizen is in the middle of it, also they took him out of it to seal him even better, strapped to the chair XD They want to kill him but they can't, the hogyoku already made him immortal. Aizen will show up again if they adapt the rest of the manga. |
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| this was such a lame plot device.. it seemed the author just wanted or couldn't think of a good way to end this arc.... and by the way... what a horrible father ichigo has.... "son.. i want you to sacrifice everything you have accomplished up to now"... well either way.. the author was a retard when writing the conclusion to this arc when all his was going to do was disregard it.... oooooo... ichigo gets his powers back again.. plz... this is not groundhog day... stop replaying past events... such a lame conclusion..i enjoyed the story up to this point... but this has ruined it for me.. |
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