nerdsonfire1 said: That's one of risks this show takes - will females be attracted by pretty guys or repelled by excessive violence? Will the setting and HanaKana win over male audience or maybe they will stay away because of homo vibes?Males & females can enjoy this show, so I'm not sure why people are saying it's only for females? I actually think a lot of females wouldn't like the violence. Yeah, this kind of show can easily be hit or flop, everything depends on execution. With Urobuchi on board there shouldn't be much of a problem but I prefer to stay moderately skeptical for now and let him surprise me like he did with Madoka. |
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jmal said: It's not that there were no appealing elements used. It's that certain other appealing elements that could have been used were not. Of course, it's pure speculation what those even were, if anything. It's easy to read far too much into the comments. What else is there to add after all them bishounen design? were they planning to make it a completely female-oriented show? lol. |
| "Homo vibes"? Man, some people are frighteningly insecure with their sexuality. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| LMFAO Greatest piece of news i heard in a long time. |
Post-Moe said: "Homo vibes"? Man, some people are frighteningly insecure with their sexuality. /Thread |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| His next project should be a collaboration with Yamakan. |
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Trisection said: Maybe it would even sell around Manabi Line!His next project should be a collaboration with Yamakan. |
Progeusz said: Madoka was yuri, Psycho-Pass will be yaoi. I can take almost everything. I cannot take yaoi. It makes me vomit. |
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| Don't worry, only beginning seems a little dangerous but HanaKana's narration lightens the mood, rest of the episode is perfectly fine. Obviously, I can't say what will happen later on. I'm not Homu. |
| I like how on pretty much every topic I've been on lately all people do is spew out homophobic garbage. Gj, MAL. Stay classy. |
| You're one big pile of shit for trying hard to cater the "dark and edgy", Motohiro Katsuyuki. This so-called "killing the moe" will be your undoing. |
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| Yes!! I hate Moe - Burn in hell Respect to Gen, Motohiro and everyone who finally saw the light of things. |
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Jyagan said: Wow, my first post in a forum since I registered 5 years ago. I can't resist the urge to answer this one. Ok, what's wrong with a setting that is not a Happy Go Lucky moemoekyunkyunuguu-ish scenario? Why is always have to be the Loser that lives alone because his parents are dead or abroad and lives with an imouto with an overloading desire to get laid with him? Why that loser has always a girl (who, in some cases is a complete retard) that is fated to be his "Destined One by the almighty power of love" but they have to overcome hard trials like the Drill-haired Student Council President who always has mannerisms like ohohohohoho~desuwa and the mysterious transfer student sent by a gloomy organization to block this relationship because their "Destined Love" is in a conflict of interests with other factions but at the end they end having a crush for the loser as well? Why there is have to be always an onsen or beach episode? Why the final boss is always have to be defeated by the combined Almighty power of The Destined Love and return to normal like nothing happened?! I described almost like 100+ series to have one or more of these features in a nutshell and still call this boring? THANK YOU, You summarize today's garbage anime perfectly. I am so fed up that crap. Awesome to know people in the industry are fed up too! |
Awesome to know people in the industry are fed up too! There's a pretty high chance that the people who "are fed up with the 'crap that is moe'" never actually contributed to the anime industry aside from their constant complaints of "moe garbage everywhere". |
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9988 said: You do know that you're talking about the guy who created crazy popular mahou shoujo series?Awesome to know people in the industry are fed up too! |
sagdashin said: Respect to Gen, Motohiro and everyone who finally saw the light of things. agree. |
| Simplistic beauty can't be appreciated by someone who looks for something grand in everything he watch. |
| Clarification (thanks to the folks over at AnimeSuki for translating the original article): Turns out that the decision to "omit moe" is more specifically a request to the production staff to not the use the word "moe" during each episode's creative meetings. The main reason is because Katsuyuki and Urobuchi are aiming for a series with a theme similar to Blade Runner. |
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| Well, no shit. Anybody with a half a brain could have figured out a show like this wouldn't have any "moe". Why did they feel the need to announce the obvious? This is obviously just a publicity stunt. sagdashin said: Respect to Gen, Motohiro and everyone who finally saw the light of things. What "light"? |
| I really hope psycho-pass won't turn into one of those grimdark & edgy shows, but I have fate in Urobuchi fujifruit said: we can blame kyoani for inventing that moe garbarge i miss the days when we didn't have moe we had stuff like- oh wait. You really think kyoani invented moe? Are most "moe"-haters really this stupid? |
rederoinOct 13, 2012 7:19 PM
| Why would anyone aspire to create Blade Runner? That's like aspiring to have cereal for breakfast. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
rederoin said: Well, no shit. Anybody with a half a brain could have figured out a show like this wouldn't have any "moe". Why did they feel the need to announce the obvious? This is obviously just a publicity stunt. sagdashin said: Respect to Gen, Motohiro and everyone who finally saw the light of things. What "light"? Well when i first read the synopsis and watched the trailer i must say i was expecting something in the ilk of a reverse harem slice of life series. I for one am pleasantly surprised and glad they clarified the animes position to avoid any potential mass confusion. Without "moe" it means we are guaranteed to get a dark, sophisticated and brilliantly wriiten anime that we haven't seen since the likes of Zetman. Of course on the downside, if Zetman is any indicator, that missing element could also result in very poor sales. I'm glad that people are finally acknowledging that "moe" is not a legitimate characteristic and its only purpose is to serve as fan bait. |
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NiN10d0h said: Finally someone gets it. More like someone gets you :-D |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Nidhoeggr said: HauntingShock said: Uh... good news for the fans I think? No comment~ You know your post is actually a comment, right? God, SAO seems to lower more than just standards... Do you really think I never knew that? Then I guess I should really complete my sentences to deliver the right meaning since there's some people who gets worked up with it. Uh... good news for the fans I think? No comment besides this and regarding the anime itself~ |
ImagineThat said: It seems you aren't aware that Zetman was terribly butchered adaptation.Without "moe" it means we are guaranteed to get a dark, sophisticated and brilliantly wriiten anime that we haven't seen since the likes of Zetman. Of course on the downside, if Zetman is any indicator, that missing element could also result in very poor sales. |
ImagineThat said: rederoin said: Well, no shit. Anybody with a half a brain could have figured out a show like this wouldn't have any "moe". Why did they feel the need to announce the obvious? This is obviously just a publicity stunt. sagdashin said: Respect to Gen, Motohiro and everyone who finally saw the light of things. What "light"? Well when i first read the synopsis and watched the trailer i must say i was expecting something in the ilk of a reverse harem slice of life series. I for one am pleasantly surprised and glad they clarified the animes position to avoid any potential mass confusion. Without "moe" it means we are guaranteed to get a dark, sophisticated and brilliantly wriiten anime that we haven't seen since the likes of Zetman. Of course on the downside, if Zetman is any indicator, that missing element could also result in very poor sales. I'm glad that people are finally acknowledging that "moe" is not a legitimate characteristic and its only purpose is to serve as fan bait. Are you being sarcastic? its kinda hard to tell. |
Jyagan said: Why would I buy something that I don't like? Kinda Alienating if you give some thought If you think about about every niche, genre, trend, etc alienates those that don't like said niche, genre, trend. That doesn't stop producers from creating things that pander to groups who do like it. I've yet to see a series that is so generic that it tries to please everyone and succeed. So, yeah. Keep voting with your wallets, you'll keep bringing balance to the market. Meaningless drivel considering we are not part of the market that drive these shows. And I bet that Urobutcher is just trolling you all,...again. |
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jmal said: But yes most people (generally speaking) who complain are not putting any money behind their opinions, so they should not be surprised when their opinions don't result in the shows they want. No animator or director ever paid the bills with our opinions. This is my biggest problem with the rants and gripes, sometimes lengthy and strident, I see in overseas anime fandom. I really doubt how many of those people really put their money where their mouth is. At the end anime is made for the paying customers not for those who only pay lip service about support and hold the product at his own aloof "non-pandering" standard. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Shit tastes are shit tastes regardless if you are paying for the crap. We know that it sells and moe - fanservice fans are insatiable and all it takes nowadays to make anime and the big sellers is cute girls doing cute things and boobs and panties so?.., companies have it even easier with the likes of todays fans, not for nothing not only is this crap of anime questionable and highly criticized but the ius also so much grip with fans themselves of those. Now foreigners shut up you say, only they complain, not true, first you dont take into account its because its so simply to satisfy nowadays fan why would companies bother, work harder and risk it with more ambitious series? NO way, better milk the crap out of fanservice-moe lovers, it does not take much effort to please them with generic crap they love, not for nothing the overexposure of that kind of series done to death. Todays fans again, are insatiable and broke the balance, what balance? That today we see shitty elements of fanservice and moe in pretty much ALL kind of series regardless of genre, how do you expect those that dont like moe and faservice see it nowadays even in the damn soup? All for the sake of getting the attetnion and money of juicy moe-fanservice buyers. This is the main grip, too much overexpose and that you will see it in all series to get sales from a certain group of fans. ITS SAD that to SELL TODAY you need moe and fanservice, just SAD. Now anime reach many foreigners too in a varity of way, how abiut simulcasts? and many pay so yes, they have the right to complain. Oh but they dont contribute as much as us, so they shut up, yes true, you are the primary target, still, this does not mean overseas fandom does not have the right to complain, only in your dreams, so if you like todays generic series brace yourselves and bear with it. |
9988Oct 14, 2012 3:55 PM
9988 said: Shit tastes are shit tastes regardless if you are paying for the crap. Seems that your ranting is more shit and crap than the anime you are ranting against. 9988 said: We know that it sells and moe - fanservice fans are insatiable and all it takes nowadays to make anime and the big sellers is cute girls doing cute things and boobs and panties so?.., Actually the market proves that while there is market for moe-fanservice, moe-fanservice alone does not necessarily sell. The market is not so simple, and the fact that it looks that way (that just moe-fanservice would sell) proves how little you know and understand the anime industry, its business and the market. 9988 said: Now foreigners shut up you say, only they complain, not true, first you dont take into account its because its so simply to satisfy nowadays fan why would companies bother, work harder and risk it with more ambitious series? There are ambitious series coming out regularly and it is amazing that despite the risk and often tighter finance in the anime industry this kind of shows are still coming out. And the problems with non-buying foreign consumers is the impression that they have got only big mouths. Paying little (or nothing) while demand a "high standard" (and whatever "good taste" they arrogantly think it should be) for what should be produced. Things you see as problematic or shit taste is just good entertainment for others -- and what happens in anime can be no different from other forms of popular entertainment: In TV or movies, we do not always see "ambitious" works but they do come from time to time, while most people will still enjoy the more regular output with some of them selling a lot better because of various reasons. This is the same for anime. 9988 said: Now anime reach many foreigners too in a varity of way, how abiut simulcasts? and many pay so yes, they have the right to complain. Oh but they dont contribute as much as us, so they shut up, yes true, you are the primary target, still, this does not mean overseas fandom does not have the right to complain, only in your dreams, so if you like todays generic series brace yourselves and bear with it. As jmal said, you pay pittance and you want the deluxe service to please you? No way. Think simulcast as a way for anime to outreach the overseas (actually mostly or only American, and bear in mind that most of the world's anime fans outside Japan are not even living in America) and counterbalance the threat of rampant piracy, but revenue-wise it is so small. Of course it is much better than fans who pay zero amount of money into anime but does not mean that they automatically gain the right to be heard more often or paid more attention than those fans who are spending a lot more. |
symbvOct 15, 2012 12:04 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Well, at least he has the right mindset for this type of anime. Otherwise it would ruin the dark and gritty world in Psycho-Pass. At least, what's currently portrayed by the first episode. |
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Entravity said: Well, at least he has the right mindset for this type of anime. Otherwise it would ruin the dark and gritty world in Psycho-Pass. At least, what's currently portrayed by the first episode. One thing that is important to bear in mind is that Motohiro only said he forbid the word MOE in the workplace which is not the same as banishing every potentially moe element in the anime. For example, the heroine already looks kind of moe and the guys in fact look quite ikemen (moe to the female audience). My interpretation for what Motohiro said is just that he is not going to consciously add moe elements on top of what already came out from the production staff. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| People might not like this mentality, but I actually would like Psycho-Pass to tank sales-wise. (The definition of "tank" is up to you.) |
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phoenixalia said: To enjoy the rage of dark and edgy fans, I suppose? Don't get me wrong, I actually like Psycho;Pass and given it's Urobuchi's title, it can easily jump straight to my favs in episode three but seeing it tank should be amusing for an observer. I can already imagine tears of moe-haters blaming poor performance of P-P on fans of harems and all-girls SoLs killing the industry.Orix said: People might not like this mentality, but I actually would like Psycho-Pass to tank sales-wise. (The definition of "tank" is up to you.) why would you want it to tank? :O |
phoenixalia said: warning: utter stupidity ahead! if they want to make it completely female-oriented, just do what KuroBas did. Have one tsundere, kuudere, deredere, yandere and....snackdere character. oh wait, there are only 4 handsome bishies. hmm....let's see: silver haired guy, if his attitude is like akashi, that will classify as yandere. Orange Haired dude can be the next Kise. Megane dude can be the next Midorima. Main dude is like Aomine somewhat. All the above + make it look like the three guys are 'friends' with the main guy and you've got the best female oriented show. At the same time, it won't piss off male viewers. I can already see the doujins for antagonist dude and main dude. the first episode is enough for that. edit: ah, I was right. I'm so sorry, you guys can shoot me now. XD Do what kurobas did? KuroBas was never female-oriented in the first place lol. Bishounens (And friendship) don't make an anime female oriented, they are either the result of the design, or in some cases to attract female viewers, Like what K did and the sales don't look that pleasant right now, so it's a hit or miss, in most cases being a miss lolz. doujinshi have zero effect on the anime or the industry, they're drawn by fans to be sold to fans (Which is somewhat illegal), so yeah, they're totally irrelevant. and lol i really don't understand what you wrote there phoenixalia. you were that bored, eh? xD oh i almost forgot *shoots* |
Downgrade355Oct 15, 2012 4:17 AM
To enjoy the rage of dark and edgy fans, I suppose? Don't get me wrong, I actually like Psycho;Pass and given it's Urobuchi's title, it can easily jump straight to my favs in episode three but seeing it tank should be amusing for an observer. I can already imagine tears of moe-haters blaming poor performance of P-P on fans of harems and all-girls SoLs killing the industry. You. I like how you think. :) To add, Psycho-Pass' failure would mean that not all anime series that have a dark theme would be an instant success (IIRC Zetman also bombed) and not every single series touched by the Urobutcher himself would rake in the cash (e.g. Brassreiter). |
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| I think Psycho-Pass has been very good so far. With the story that they are trying to tell there is absolutely NO reason for there to be a moe character or really any moe elements; I think it would take away from the atmosphere that they are trying to create. peace |
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zeneevee said: there is absolutely NO reason for there to be a moe character or really any moe elements Well, thing is moe elements are already found there - the character design, be it the heroine or the main male characters (except the older guy), is just one most obvious part. And does it take away from the atmosphere? I would leave everyone to decide for himself. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: zeneevee said: there is absolutely NO reason for there to be a moe character or really any moe elements Well, thing is moe elements are already found there - the character design, be it the heroine or the main male characters (except the older guy), is just one most obvious part. And does it take away from the atmosphere? I would leave everyone to decide for himself. I thought moe was cute girls doing cute things... |
sagdashinOct 15, 2012 9:56 AM
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sagdashin said: symbv said: zeneevee said: there is absolutely NO reason for there to be a moe character or really any moe elements Well, thing is moe elements are already found there - the character design, be it the heroine or the main male characters (except the older guy), is just one most obvious part. And does it take away from the atmosphere? I would leave everyone to decide for himself. I thought moe was cute girls doing cute things... Its not. moe is not a genre. |
Its not. moe is not a genre. I never said it was |
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