Hunter x Hunter (2011) Episode 47 Discussion

jlr2m said:



1- Being small is definetly an advantage on kurapika's side, however this wasn't applied in Gon vs Hanzo for example. And Uvo staying away is an argument against kurapika, since Uvo should have enough time to see KP comming. I'm not saying that Uvo should be faster than KP, I'm saying he should be able to see his movements, and not get attacked from behind.

2- Big bang impact(BBI), is an explosion. In the manga it's compared to a small missile. You can't expect KP to survive a missile just by not being the groun. And KP's Ko shouldn't be that good, Uvo spent years to perfect his BBI.

3- Well, Gon and Killua learned only Gyo. KP learned Ko and In, and the 6 months weren't only for these technics, he also materialized 5 very powerful chains, at least 3 of them can be used against any opponent(not only the spiders). He also learned to "controle" the emperor's time, he can go in and out of it at will(this will be said in the next few episodes). Not to mention the time he spent in looking for an adequate job, and in getting info about the spiders.

In my opinion, it should take KP at least a year per chain for him to use them that effitiently. Uvo for example, spent years perfecting his BBI.And as you'll see, Gon and Killua will spend too much time to improve there special attacks. KP, on the other hand, learned nen form 0, and mastered 5 special attacks in less than 6 months.

4- How come, someone as experienced as Uvo doesn't use Gyo in a serious fight. If he had used it, he wouldn't have been caught by the chain jail. At least not that easily.

noonealive said:


Exactly my point. Your resorting to the context of the story to explain your point. But when it comes to Kurpaiks skills...in your logic explanations mean nothing.

This is how you responded......So what explainations or not it's still a hax ability. I'm sorry to tell you but it's not a hax ability. He GREW up to use his eyes the way he does. I'll give you a hypothetical situation.

Say Kuarpika grew up the same way as Gon and never had any sort of dark past. Kurpika grows to become an enhancer just like Gon. When Gon gets emotional and mad his nen powers will be further amplified. When Kurapika gets emotional (Scarlet Eyes activated) his powers will be just as amplified. His eyes are completely insignificant in this scenario period. It's an emotional trigger instead of a Hax ability. I don't want to sound like a dick...it's just that he lived a life of revenge. His eyes trigger that revenge. Everytime he see's spiders his eyes light up. Thats my point.

None of what i'm saying contradicts nen or the story period. This topic isn't debatable at all. It's only debatable if you contradict the context of the story. Find a contradiction than i'll see your point.

meshimoon said:

...I still feel like we're using different definitions of "hax". Like I said before, I'm using it as just meaning "super-powerful compared to another" and just that. Reasons/justification doesn't have anything to do with the word, at least the way I use it. And since Kurapika was owning Uvo quite badly, I say his ability could be considered to be a bit hax.
If you mean hax as in "overpowered with not enough justification", then yeah, you might be "right", though I still believe that what is considered to be "enough" or "overpowered" is rather subjective.

And I never said I thought Kurapika's ability was hax, or not expounded on, yet if I'm reading your post correctly, it seems like you're saying that I did.

Mikasa said:


1. Size in the Hanzo case is related to Gon's body not being fully grown and not his agility. Besides, Hanzo's a ninja. And as I said there wasn't a moment where it was all about speed. Uvo kept himself at a distance too
2. Yea they compared its magnitude, but it's just a nen-infused punch, it doesn't REALLY explode on the spot. It deals damage and the results depend on what he's hitting.

3. I don't see how Gon not learning In indicates its difficulty and the time it requires. As I said Gyo took a few days, so can In. So basically he took 3 months for Nen overall as well as a week for In/Gyo and 3 additional months for his Hatsu.

I don't think he can control his eye, he's wearing the lenses for a reason: To hide them in case he sees a spider.

getting a job required only learning Nen, he went once before learning, and then after finishing it.
Finding the agency was before he started the six month training so it doesn't really count as part of that.

Based on what? Why would it take a year to conjure a single chain. KP would have a better time using Emission than waste a year on a lackey ability that requires such time and effort. Gon and Killua weren't learning day and night. They barely learn for a few weeks and then they do something else. KP's training was intensive.

4) Also KP fooled him into thinking it was a regular chain manipulated and not really a conjured chain that can be rendered invisible. So why would he even think of doing so? It tells you that KP succeeded in fooling him but it's not Uvo's fault.
It's like blaming L for :P

jlr2m said:




1- The episode clearly showed, that Uvo couldn't keep his eyes on KP, this is a fact. I didn't say that the fight was all about speed, I just said that KP shouldn't be able to have Uvo losing track on him.

2- You may be right, I just felt that the strongest attack of the strongest member of the ryodan shouldn't do that little damage to KP. Especialy, that KP learned nen just in 6 months.

3- KP's chain's are too powerful for a novice nen user. In the episode, Uvo had to dodge KP's dowsing chain, it means that it's more powerful than that super bazooka thing that barely scratched Uvo's hand.
I mean, KP should have spent much more time in perfecting his 5 special attacks to be that powerful. I gave a year for each Special attack as an example, and I'm based on Uvo spending years perfecting his BBI, and Gon and Killua spending months for one special attack, and these 3 people are supposed to be gifted nen users.
About the emperor's time, I couldn't find where I saw it, I'm wrong probably.

4- I think, an experienced fighter, especialy someone that have as much aura as Uvo, should use Gyo at least in the begining of every serious fight, whether he feels the nessecity or not. You may not agree, but when I saw Hisoka's fights, I said to myself that you must be a fool not to use Gyo in a nen fight.

ludexm said:


Gyo (凝 Focus) is an advanced application of Ren by which a Nen-user concentrates a larger than normal portion of their aura into one specific body part. Gyo increases the strength of that one body part, but leaves the rest of the body more vulnerable. Gyo is most often used in the eyes, allowing a Nen-user to see aura and things which would otherwise be hidden (e.g. Nen objects hidden by In).

As you can see on the description, it would be fatal if a nen user will use Gyo while in the battle. It is more logical to use Ken than Gyo. XDl

jlr2m said:


To my knowledge, In hidden objects cannot be seen just by using Ken.

TheDodo said:
Actually, I noticed some small inconsistency in the fight scene, maybe it s the translation that is bad but Kurapika told Uvo to use Gyo to see the chain or something. He could not have done that if the chain puts him in a state of Zetsu can he? I think that part is slightly wrong.

About Hax stuff:

TheDodo said:
Actually, I noticed some small inconsistency in the fight scene, maybe it s the translation that is bad but Kurapika told Uvo to use Gyo to see the chain or something. He could not have done that if the chain puts him in a state of Zetsu can he? I think that part is slightly wrong.

About Hax stuff:

Mikasa said:
@jlr2m

1) Kurapika kicked him in the face, by the time he got up, Kurapika had already snuck up on him, that's why. Still has nothing to do with speed itself.

3) Yes, it's made of Nen, powerful nen by an all-100% nen user, of course it's better than a bazooka, different type of damage of course, but more effective.

4) Why should he have used it at the start? Kurapika's chain was already out there...even if he did use it, there's nothing hidden. Since Kurapika wasn't using In back then. THAT is the plan.

jlr2m said:





1- Look at the top left panel, KP disapears and apears behind Uvo, which means tha Uvo's eyes couldn't keep up whith KP's speed.
And here, Uvo litteraly says, "you're quick!".

3- I don't get it. When KP is in Emperor time, is he using every nen type at 100%(in that case, he's the most powerful nen user in HxH), or does he just have the potential to use every nen type at 100% (which would just mean that he becomes a specialisation nen user).

4- If Uvo used gyo at the begining, he would have known tha KP uses 5 chains, and not only 4. And if during the fight, he starts seeing just 4, he would know that there is something wrong.

Mikasa said:

1. You're comparing a manga scene to the anime scene
And quick doesn't mean quicker, it could mean he underestimated him for all we know

2. He uses 100% of everything. That doesn't make him stronger. 100% means all of the skills that go under the category. Basically how efficient his (x) skills would be. If a conjurer is at lvl 100, he can only be a lvl 60 enhancer if he tried his best. Kurapika using 100% doesn't make him strongest. Basically assume he's lvl 10, instead of only being able to be lvl 6 enhancer, he can be lvl 10. But another enhancer who is at level 20 and mastered all the enhancement skills of enhancers, he can be level 20.

Example: A level 100 conjurer can be 60 enh. only, but at lvl 60 he is still stronger than Kurapika's level because despite knowing 100% of enhancement, his current level is just 10.
Sorry if I over-complicated things

4) Number of chains is irrelevant. Kurapika wasn't hiding any at the time. All 5 chains were present w/o using In. He can count them using normal eyes.

Rizzle said:
This episode was great! I really like the contrast in character; Uvo takes pleasure in the kill, but Kurapika feels disgusted even as he carries out his revenge.

gendouhydeist said:
it's pretty meh, i prefer the fight in the original version and kurapika eye's is exaggerated here. Also BMG and way better than the new one.

I also prefer the aura effects in the original version because here it's like im watching DGZ LOL

Original Version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7y44OEt1VU

Mephz said:
I liked the fight in the old version more. I though the 2011 fight was way to slow and the BGM did not fit. How did they manage to drag the fight out into a whole episode almost :Þ

leeo268 said:
Epic Episode. Blow my Expectation away.

Just make me more sad to realize this serie will run out of material in a year as it catch up to the manga because the author is too ill to continues writing the manga.

vansonbee said:
If 2011 had a better soundtrack... I would bump this up by a few points, in my book.

The fight was nice, it was longer extended, than unnecessary. Kura is cold in this series, compared to 1999, where he broke down a bit, after killing Uvo, but it shows how human, he is.

As always and forever, the 2011 animation looks cartoony :)

noonealive said:


Yeah him not breaking down shows how much he cares about his tribe and his revenge. It speaks tons more than him going on his knees and grabbing his face. Kurapika made a vow to sacrifice his life to kill these guys. Makes no sense to feel remorse for them after making such a decision.

Plus he was very human during the torture scene. He was disgusted by it.

Candor said:
It's because of the flash-back. in the 1999 version they animated Kurapika's training before Yorkshin, in this episode they did things just like in the manga, the flash-back's place is here.

No, it can easily air for another 2 years and a half without any fillers. Besides Togashi is working on the movie atm so he might come back in Mars/April next year after the movie is out.

Hybridbloodszak said:


I think people forget the part just before Kurapika puts Judgment Chain into Uvogin. He tells Uvogin how he hates the feeling of torturing Uvogin because it makes him sick, and then asks how all of the PT are able to do this for a living. I think Kurapika was very human there but it wouldn't make sense for him to show pity/mercy to people who MASSACRED HIS ENTIRE FAMILY/CLAN all for the "greatest commodities in the world" .

It made sense for Kurapika to ask Uvogin that question, I mean who could blame him. If you had the chance to meet one of the people who traumatized you when you weren't able to process everything, wouldn't you want to know what makes him tick?

I think Kurapika's true self is when he's with Gon, Killua, and Leorio but his goal in life conflicts with his inner nature.

Mephz said:


even if I exclude the flashback I still feel the fight itself moves too slowly, they punch slowly, they move slowly etcetc

Lonewolf10 said:
Everything is better than the first anime especially graphics, I wonder how they can "decipher" the manga as the manga has horrible/lazy art.

Mormegil said:

LOL @ that shifty glance. Chrollo had better watch the fuck out.

Strangely enough, that was my favorite part of the episode. Heh. Hisoka tends to steal every scene he's in, even when he isn't doing much.

Needless to say, fantastic episode. As always, the fight was more dynamic than the "original" fight. I also liked how Kurapika didn't break down as much here, but was obviously struggling with what he was doing. I've seen some people on other blogs call Kurapika a boring character or too humorless when it comes to the rest of the cast, but that's a crappy reason for not liking him. After all, he's had a tough life, and a large part of his personality is his drive for revenge. Kurapika's carefree and likable personality when he's, say, hanging out with Gon and company, or even talking with Melody, serves as a nice contrast to when he's otherwise wrestling with his own humanity. In fact, it's that last part that makes him so fascinating and, while I sincerely hope he stays the likable guy and retains his humanity, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't interested in seeing how far he goes in his revenge against the Spiders.

Trafl-guy said:
Excellent episode. This and KNB 24 were a treat this week.