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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- So Raki didn't simply come and stop Clare from awakening, I hope some of you guys are happy now. Ah well.. probably not, since he's showing some more emotion. But anyway, I liked this episode. It was great to see Priscilla in her awakened form, I love that violet female devil design. That fight is going to be awesome I hope and I can't wait to see it. Also it's the first time I've been able to spot a typo in Eclipse release. |
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| It was more like a preparation episode for the next one, the next one looks really promising. Overall it's good to see that Priscilla awaken, who Raki didn't stop Clare. I'd give it a 4/5. PS. When and where did you spot the typo? I could't find it. |
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| Here it is, I'd have to check again to get the time. [edit]: 16:42 |
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| Can I say I didn't like this episode at all? |
| Raki was impotent... It was a good view to the Priscilla's past but because we dont know well how she lost her memory (i remind i never touched the manga.). Kinda filler true but i still liked it. And wtf Clare didnt awaken? :( |
| I think it was simply repressed memories due to trauma for Priscilla... |
Sobzob said: lol... if you ask me this was the worst episode in the entire series. Clare manages not to awaken or her own... right... and they pretty much ruined Raki's character. Something that doesn't happen in the manga.Can I say I didn't like this episode at all? |
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| Everyone's entitled to their opinions I suppose, mine being it was a nice transition to the next episode IMO ^^, if Clare gets out of the awakened form somehow I'm going to do something bad, I just don't know what at the moment, I personally think it would be a nice touch for her to die despite the fact that it's been a good series as well. |
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Kayrhandros said: Sobzob said: lol... if you ask me this was the worst episode in the entire series. Clare manages not to awaken or her own... right... and they pretty much ruined Raki's character. Something that doesn't happen in the manga.Can I say I didn't like this episode at all? I agree about the Raki comment. The whole ep I was expecting him to do something and then when we finally see him, hes hidden up against the wall. That ruined his true character. |
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Kayrhandros said: lol... if you ask me this was the worst episode in the entire series. Clare manages not to awaken or her own... right... and they pretty much ruined Raki's character. Something that doesn't happen in the manga. Agreed, this was for certain the worst episode in the series.. Though, the whole Peita arc have been horrible. I was actually pissed off for wasting time watching this episode when I could've watched another of Lain before going to bed. =[ edit- I wish I never read the manga, I suppose it would've been more 'awsome' then.. |
Sobzob said: Kayrhandros said: lol... if you ask me this was the worst episode in the entire series. Clare manages not to awaken or her own... right... and they pretty much ruined Raki's character. Something that doesn't happen in the manga. Agreed, this was for certain the worst episode in the series.. Though, the whole Peita arc have been horrible. I was actually pissed off for wasting time watching this episode when I could've watched another of Lain before going to bed. =[ edit- I wish I never read the manga, I suppose it would've been more 'awsome' then.. ouch, harsh! I enjoyed this episode. I anxiously waited a whole week and wasn't disappointed. Except in Raki, I guess they had to stall his saving of Clare until the final battle. Story-wise I'll accept his weakness but Character-wise made him despicable. I'll quote him and say," I(Raki) was all talk." |
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| Meh, Just liked it for the fighting scenes ^^ Raki's character was indeed destroyed in this episode, that really disappoints me.. But Next week I hope somethin extraordinary will happen, not just the usual fighting scenes. |
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| bah, i didnt like the episode -_-". Raki was still a crybaby >< for two episodes! how does one cry for two episodes?, that pompous Jean's preach was little cliche and lame and the odd scenery of last fight (I think it was to add color to the picture) was kind of unnecessary in my opinion. As for the episode itself, the inconsistencies werent really present this time (active volcano...galateas teleportation to north...no...ill ignore them for the sake of entertainment!) .. but there wasn't much there to begin with, its basically a transitional episode to the big showdown =(. As for clare, how the f*** did she supress her awakened form? even after all that screaming about how she isnt able to go back - sure it isnt the first time for clare but this time it should have been more serious - its kinda "hollow" to leave such a thing hanging And it had poor animation quality =(. many of the faces were deformed looking and many animations were cut down to two frame flipflopping. Worser than the last episode and overall much worse than the episodes in the first half of the series. Many of the facial expressions were either taunt or did not match up with the voice, especially everytime Helen screams.Is their budget running out or something? =/. one last thing before i end my super long rant that no one is gonna read =D. The whole scene with Clare asking Helen to kill her and Helen yelling "I won't forgive you!" Far too repetitive and banal and the Volcano setting was Lame. =/. And for those who read the manga....the problem with Clare fighting Priscilla is...x.x This ending is gonna be a true shounen ending, with huge explosions of power, gravitating rocks, and constipated yelling =/ edit: forgot to add this up there somewhere, there were no fighting scenes! =/ all talk and a 45second recap. P.S. I am aware that my complaints were tiny things and were not about the general picture for the episode. but there's nothing to comment about wen the episode is basically a transitional plot-clean-up filler show for the next two shows |
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Arekkusu said: That's something I forgot to mention... Now let's think here for a sec. Clare and Priscilla crossed paths only once. At that time, Clare was young girl, she was not a Claymore. And as so, she could not read Yoki. Still, when she sensed this Yoki, which... honestly could have been from any awakened being, even Isley for that matter, she was completely sure it was Priscilla. Even though it was the first time she ever felt that Yoki. She was so sure about it, it was even enough to stop her awakening process... Seriously......As for the episode itself, the inconsistencies werent really present this time (active volcano...galateas teleportation to north...no...ill ignore them for the sake of entertainment!) .. but there wasn't much there to begin with, its basically a transitional episode to the big showdown =(. As for clare, how the f*** did she supress her awakened form? even after all that screaming about how she isnt able to go back - sure it isnt the first time for clare but this time it should have been more serious - its kinda "hollow" to leave such a thing hanging Arekkusu said: She's been saying it for the entire arc, obviously it gets repetitive, but seems they can't work out any other sentence. For the record, she says it once in the manga instead of 20+ times... And yeah... I'm also wondering about the volcano. Why didn't Priscilla went straight to Clare, since she thought it was Teresa. Why did Priscilla went to a different location to battle and what guarantees did she have, Clare would follow.one last thing before i end my super long rant that no one is gonna read =D. The whole scene with Clare asking Helen to kill her and Helen yelling "I won't forgive you!" Far too repetitive and banal and the Volcano setting was Lame. =/. Arekkusu said: True. And for those who read the manga....the problem with Clare fighting Priscilla is...x.x Sobzob said: I'm sort of regretting it myself... -.-I wish I never read the manga, I suppose it would've been more 'awsome' then.. |
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Kayrhandros said: That's something I forgot to mention... Now let's think here for a sec. Clare and Priscilla crossed paths only once. At that time, Clare was young girl, she was not a Claymore. And as so, she could not read Yoki. Still, when she sensed this Yoki, which... honestly could have been from any awakened being, even Isley for that matter, she was completely sure it was Priscilla. Even though it was the first time she ever felt that Yoki. She was so sure about it, it was even enough to stop her awakening process... Seriously...... Ummm... y'all... Clare has part of Teresa inside of her. Teresa was EXCELLENT at sensing yoki... Teresa has fought Priscilla in her Claymore and awakened form... the part of Clare that is Teresa would have recognized the yoki, I'm sure of it. At least, that's the way I understood it. =/ |
| I really didn't like this episode that much. As someone said, it felt like a preparation episode. |
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| I'm just going to ignore all the manga-readers bashing. Like, seriously. Face it guys, the anime is not going to end the way you want it to. Still, it was a good episode. But I have to agree on the Raki part. It was like all the character building they were trying to make died here. We're back to the start, where he was a wimp and annoying little prick that went "Clare~!" all the time. After everything he told Easley, he still chickened out, even though he had seen Clare out of control before (true she hadn't awakened any part of her at the time, but still, he knew it was a possiblity). So much for believing in her and doing your best, huh, Raki? Somehow, I don't think we're getting a second season. |
| I thought it was good for a setup episode...but some what lacking by itself. Since it seems more and more apparent that the ending will not be following the manga I'm hoping she'll fully awaken and join up with the dweller of the deep from the east (the little girl whose name escapes me) |
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AngelLily said: I'm just going to ignore all the manga-readers bashing. Like, seriously. Face it guys, the anime is not going to end the way you want it to. QFT. Shush, manga purists, for most of us who are seeing the story for the first time, it's not what I'd call in the least bit disappointing. I've only read the first three books of Manga, and pound for pound the anime seems much better to me. I liked this episode, just as I liked all the others. True, no fighting, but then Claymore is good because it's not just kick-arse fights but also a plot and a world that's worthy of attention in itself...right? I didn't expect much action this episode; it was plain and obvious that they needed to do some setup to go from the end of the last episode to the final big set-piece. And what's this sudden outpouring of Raki sympathy? He has no character to ruin. As the anime stands, he's an annoying little turd that contributes nothing to the series following the cathedral storyline other than pacing problems. I hoped that we'd see something like Priscilla kills and eats him in front of Clair and that stops her from awakening, or at the very least we'd finally be free of him for the last couple of episodes, but sadly not. |
| hurr! i be awaken! if the next two episodes aren't SPECTACULAR i will murder something.. <_< |
YourMessageHere said: AngelLily said: I'm just going to ignore all the manga-readers bashing. Like, seriously. Face it guys, the anime is not going to end the way you want it to. QFT. Shush, manga purists, for most of us who are seeing the story for the first time, it's not what I'd call in the least bit disappointing. I've only read the first three books of Manga, and pound for pound the anime seems much better to me. I liked this episode, just as I liked all the others. True, no fighting, but then Claymore is good because it's not just kick-arse fights but also a plot and a world that's worthy of attention in itself...right? I didn't expect much action this episode; it was plain and obvious that they needed to do some setup to go from the end of the last episode to the final big set-piece. And what's this sudden outpouring of Raki sympathy? He has no character to ruin. As the anime stands, he's an annoying little turd that contributes nothing to the series following the cathedral storyline other than pacing problems. I hoped that we'd see something like Priscilla kills and eats him in front of Clair and that stops her from awakening, or at the very least we'd finally be free of him for the last couple of episodes, but sadly not. I think the main reason so many people are mad about the Raki letdown was because hes been in almost every episode and they have been building up his character since the start (along with Clares). This episode basically killed whatever development he had and pushed him back to square one where he's a cry baby that doesn't want to die (ie. beginning episodes). At least that's how I felt about it. After seeing this episode it was like a slap in the face for even watching the show. Also I've read the manga to the current chapter but when starting the anime I was expecting it to end different anyway so I'm one of the few that are fine with the way things are going. But like I said above, this episode really killed whatever development Raki had to this point in the show and kind of changed my opinion about the show as a whole. |
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| It's obviously Raki's final dilemma before he can save Claire and manages to slay both Priscilla and Easely in the last 2 minutes of episode 26... |
| I actually liked it alot. It restored my faith that the anime might actually get a good ending, but then again i havnt read the manga so =P. And i was actually glad that Raki was hiding and moping, cause i know i woulda been pissed if he did end up coming and stopping clare from awakening at that moment. ^^ Just makin the ep even better for me! XD. I need Mooarr claymoarr!!! |
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Siing said: And i was actually glad that Raki was hiding and moping, cause i know i woulda been pissed if he did end up coming and stopping clare from awakening at that moment. ^^ Just makin the ep even better for me! XD. I need Mooarr claymoarr!!! Grah, that was the problem for me. I can just see the writers sitting. "Okay guys, we've got a problem. Raki is here too early! He can't save Clare from the Awakenedness of DOOM yet!" "Oh! Oh! I know! We'll just destroy his character-development and have him sitting behind a wall crying!" "Allright, that's what we'll do!" "Oh! Oh! Can we topple the wall down on him?" The volcano threw me in a laughing fit, so it's forgiven for being cliched x) I'm just going to hope the animation was sorta crappy because they were saving up budget to make the final battle totally KICKASS, and then I can live with the anime-ending in peace. |
Meli said: Siing said: And i was actually glad that Raki was hiding and moping, cause i know i woulda been pissed if he did end up coming and stopping clare from awakening at that moment. ^^ Just makin the ep even better for me! XD. I need Mooarr claymoarr!!! Grah, that was the problem for me. I can just see the writers sitting. "Okay guys, we've got a problem. Raki is here too early! He can't save Clare from the Awakenedness of DOOM yet!" "Oh! Oh! I know! We'll just destroy his character-development and have him sitting behind a wall crying!" "Allright, that's what we'll do!" "Oh! Oh! Can we topple the wall down on him?" I seriously doubt the people behind everything that makes Claymore what it is (and I'm not talking about the anime only) would ever fit in such a.... cheap scenario. |
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cyruz said: Meli said: Grah, that was the problem for me. I can just see the writers sitting. "Okay guys, we've got a problem. Raki is here too early! He can't save Clare from the Awakenedness of DOOM yet!" "Oh! Oh! I know! We'll just destroy his character-development and have him sitting behind a wall crying!" "Allright, that's what we'll do!" "Oh! Oh! Can we topple the wall down on him?" I seriously doubt the people behind everything that makes Claymore what it is (and I'm not talking about the anime only) would ever fit in such a.... cheap scenario. Lol, you're right, but it (this line of reasoning) kinda fits in with what's happening in the anime. ^^ I agree, what happened to Raki's character buildup? It's pretty much butchered atm...guess I'll wait and see if he redeems himself in the next episodes. ^^ Hmm...I think this episode is okay -- a nice build-up for the Clare-Priscilla fight. The volcano location had me lol-ing for a while, though. And based on the comments, I'm kinda glad I'm not reading the manga yet. ^^ |
cyruz said: Meli said: Siing said: And i was actually glad that Raki was hiding and moping, cause i know i woulda been pissed if he did end up coming and stopping clare from awakening at that moment. ^^ Just makin the ep even better for me! XD. I need Mooarr claymoarr!!! Grah, that was the problem for me. I can just see the writers sitting. "Okay guys, we've got a problem. Raki is here too early! He can't save Clare from the Awakenedness of DOOM yet!" "Oh! Oh! I know! We'll just destroy his character-development and have him sitting behind a wall crying!" "Allright, that's what we'll do!" "Oh! Oh! Can we topple the wall down on him?" I seriously doubt the people behind everything that makes Claymore what it is (and I'm not talking about the anime only) would ever fit in such a.... cheap scenario. Of all the rest of Claymore except that scene? Of course they wouldn't fit. That's why it's annoying me so badly. They could've done better than that. |
AceSky said: Damnit, Claymore is turning into Dragonball. The whole pacing after episode 20, it's like they went from gradually getting powerful to all out over 9000 points powerful! This is my favorite anime of all time! Plz don't ruin it like this! Everything up to episode 18 or 19 is a masterpiece. By the rate they're going, the anime might end with season 1! I know they just wanna follow the manga, but I think they're trying to cram everything into one season! Which makes the pacing seem like, everything was gradual until the last few episodes, everyone's super powerful! C'mon u don't have to follow the manga! Spoilers! The organization is so stupid. Why did they send all the Claymores to fight the North King. When they know it's all gonna be a suicide mission. They could of saved all those warriors lives, just let the West Lady and the North King duke it out! Because the west lady is planning a attack against the North King anyways! WTF, why waste all those warriors lives for! because the organization wanted to dispose of the troubled claymore that they didnt like.....did you pay attention to half the stuff Miria said? |
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YourMessageHere said: AngelLily said: I'm just going to ignore all the manga-readers bashing. Like, seriously. Face it guys, the anime is not going to end the way you want it to. QFT. Shush, manga purists, for most of us who are seeing the story for the first time, it's not what I'd call in the least bit disappointing. I've only read the first three books of Manga, and pound for pound the anime seems much better to me. I liked this episode, just as I liked all the others. True, no fighting, but then Claymore is good because it's not just kick-arse fights but also a plot and a world that's worthy of attention in itself...right? I didn't expect much action this episode; it was plain and obvious that they needed to do some setup to go from the end of the last episode to the final big set-piece. And what's this sudden outpouring of Raki sympathy? He has no character to ruin. As the anime stands, he's an annoying little turd that contributes nothing to the series following the cathedral storyline other than pacing problems. I hoped that we'd see something like Priscilla kills and eats him in front of Clair and that stops her from awakening, or at the very least we'd finally be free of him for the last couple of episodes, but sadly not. I started Claymore with the manga and is agonizingly waiting for their extra scenes to be done meanwhile, I have really enjoyed the anime. Although I was a little anxious when they start deviating from the manga plot but it's not something unusual. There had been many anime with a different plot from the manga but was just as good and interesting. To be honest, I was still hoping they would still follow the manga plot; that the deviation was so that they can do a proper ending for season 1 and continued with season 2 when the manga is much ahead. After all they onli had 4 or so episodes left at that time. How in the world could they possibly wrapped it up without it being rushed? However, after watching ep 24, it is pretty obvious that they are going to end it soon. I thought the episode was good and would consider it to be a follow up of their previous episode if we see the anime and manga as 2 different stories that shared the same beginning. It's a shame to call the episodes that have deviated from the manga as filler episodes because I think they did just as good on this twist of events. I have to agree with YourMessageHere about Raki. To me, he has always been an annoying, useless character that existed only to highlight Clare's humane and kind nature. And when all he did was cry like a baby in this episode, I felt like it was good riddance to you! At the rate in which the characters are killed off in this anime, I was wondering why in the world is Raki still alive. This anime doesn't really need "romance"; it's one hack of a good action pack series. And Clare would probably become stronger when Raki gets killed anyway. Well, I think the most fitting ending would be that Clare awakens, struggled while fighting Priscilla but somehow managed to kill her but was severely injured that she died in the end. |
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AngelLily said: Somehow, I don't think we're getting a second season. lol, after reading the manga and then watching this episode, I was thinking the same exact thing. unless they . . . [read ahead on your own caution as my speculations may be correct] 1- the fight goes on and its virtually even 2- both parties are severely injured, easley then retreats w/ priscilla 3- they leave clare by herself to awaken (after the amazing battle) 4- the three claymores who came to save clare are not enough to stop her and then they go back to the manga story line and . . . and then after that, the story line is back on track and we get our second season :) |
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meowmeow21 said: it's no laughing matter that the story board ruined a character, but I just had to laugh after reading that :PRaki's back...and crying in corners all over the north. Seriously, the only way Raki's not gonna count as a useless character (in the anime) in my book, is if they have him slice Priscilla's head... |
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Kayrhandros said: That's something I forgot to mention... Now let's think here for a sec. Clare and Priscilla crossed paths only once. At that time, Clare was young girl, she was not a Claymore. And as so, she could not read Yoki. Still, when she sensed this Yoki, which... honestly could have been from any awakened being, even Isley for that matter, she was completely sure it was Priscilla. Even though it was the first time she ever felt that Yoki. She was so sure about it, it was even enough to stop her awakening process... Seriously...... Ummm... y'all... Clare has part of Teresa inside of her. Teresa was EXCELLENT at sensing yoki... Teresa has fought Priscilla in her Claymore and awakened form... the part of Clare that is Teresa would have recognized the yoki, I'm sure of it. At least, that's the way I understood it. =/ I totally agree with you. I mean, all you have to do really is look at it the other way around. Priscilla could sense Teresa because her blood is in CLare, so of course Clare should be able to sense Priscilla... I haven't read the manga, so I don't know what to think, even though I've read the spoilers. Very cliche volcano "fighting ring", true. I can only guess. But I'm hoping both Clare and Easley team up against Priscilla. That would be so awesome!! |
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| Worst episode by far. It seemed rushed and out of place. The whole episode seems out of place even with all the crap used to set this up from previous episodes. Raki is still a wuss and why the hell do the other Claymores even care to talk to him. It doesn't really fit. What about Riful and Easley's battle? What of number 1 and 2? Galatea's role seems diminished now, when in previous episodes it seemed that she would play a larger role in the future. How about Raki becoming a stronger person or having a sex change? There's so much potential left for this. Alas, that's what manga is for. Well, on the bright side, we get to see Teresa/Clare against Priscilla. |
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| Eh...even though i haven't touched the manga yet, i'm still not enjoying these last few episodes. Now, Raki getting a sex change...that's a whole new issue... |
| Hmm I liked the build up this episode had, just telling me that there is going to be a pretty epic battle in the next episode or 2. Now about Raki and crying, nothing wrong with that...he is just a kid after all. |
| I wouldn't call this a bad ep, OK probably. I was annoyed by the overly long screaming and begging going on in the beginning of the ep. I don't care to see 10 mins of powering up/awakening and then see nothing happen in the end. I'm another non-manga reader, though I'm pretty sure I'm going to jump right into the manga once this is over, and I did enjoy the latter half a bit. I did wonder where the f*ck the volcano came from though. I could've swore there was NO HINT of a live volcano at all while they were in the north and all of a sudden Gallatea points and we see a giant smoldering "lava fountain"? Come on... |
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DeathfireD said: I agree about the Raki comment. The whole ep I was expecting him to do something and then when we finally see him, hes hidden up against the wall. That ruined his true character. That's what we call character development. Raki finally realized that he's of no use lol |
| I actually thought this was the best episode in a while, sue me. |
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| T_T am not pleased i do not like where this is headed at all. everything about this episode upset me on a few different levels. 25 better fucking deliver, hard. i've heard from some people on my *chan that the ending is a disappointment. i still have my fingers crossed that they were trolling... at this point.... i'm not so sure that they were. |
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BlueYoshi said: Eh...even though i haven't touched the manga yet, i'm still not enjoying these last few episodes.. ditto. Last episode was one of my fave's and now.. this?!? Ugh. Please god... let this end well! |
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| Raki's a crybaby as always..... BOORING! |
| Unfortunately I think Raki will end up saving Clare in the end... just seems that way. Cool episode, all of a sudden claymore seem to like each other, lol. And to ask Raki along too! I still wish someone would kill that dude that gives them the tasks. I really despise that guy's games. |
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