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Don't forget Obito was in Kakashi's generation ! the masked man who fought against Minato namikaze 16 years ago was not a kid !

How does that prove that he was not a kid? Their is no evidence their what so ever on what age tobi was at the time.

His voice in the anime and his height. Minato died one year after the Obito's death.

At any rate, Kishi's going to have A LOT of explaining to do.

that's probably the reason orochimaru was brought back, madara will also be explaining

Tobi why no tell us who you are.
You're building up way to much hype which seems like it's gonna crash and fail.

Well if you take age into consideration and how his voice sounds, how old he was during the time. He can not possibly be Obito or Rin, he was a man during the attack of konoho, 1 year after obito met his death. Kakashi was still a damn child then and he was a full fledged adult.

Also its not possible for him to be madara's brother i mean, come on THINK!! During the 2nd shinobi world war, he was a man. If he was Izuna or madara by then. that would be 80 years age, from the start of the story line, in which case naruto was just born and that was during the invasion of konoho. He would probably have to be 90 years old when he fought minata, so clearly, Izuna is out of the question.

The theory bout Hashirami sanju of course would never work either because he just simply was not even born during that era. That was even further back then Izuna. During the time in wich Sarutobi was just a child.

That leaves only one person left, Shisui Uchiha. Personally it all fits, Shinsui was alive and a young man and part of the ambu squad and knew itachi then. It was during the same era that minata was alive. Now it was stated that he died to protect the conflict from arising, but it also stated that he left all existence behind. Taking into consideration his age, the time of his life and the era he lived at, he fits the bill for being tobi more then any other character. Not to mention his facial features and appearances are absolutely identical to that of tobi.

So people that think its the other people that i listed above, your just all delusional, logically it can't happen, its impossible if you take age into consideration. NOW like i said, if their is some possible way that tobi can manipulate time and space to an extent and some how appear in the future or the past, then all is possible and at that point, the answer can be anything. Or if thier is other reasons behind him, like being able to use the forbidden jutsu like orichamaru did and take the body of some one else to be younger, then thier is a still a possibility he can any one as well. So its really all up in the air untill we get a thorough explanation.

Personally i think that would be awesome, if they revealed something like that, maybe the movie was a foreshadowing development of what kind of powers tobi has.

But if the obito theory turns out to be true with no deep explanation behind how he can appear in the future or the past, or something of that nature, where he can manipulate time. Then its just BAD writing on kishimoto's part. It is just absolutely impossible.

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last time I checked Shisui's age was never confirmed. To me he always appeared to be around the same age as Itachi, so even YOUNGER than kakashi and Obito. Not to mention his sharingan had an entirely different ability...and he lost both of his eyes.
Also notice how Itachi went to Tobi only a few days, maybe even hours, after meeting with Shisui. There's two things to make note of here:
- Tobis hair is much longer than Shisui's, effectively refuting your "their appearance is identical" argument
- I find it hard to believe that Itachi wouldn't notice if they were the same person


This whole "[insert character] can't be it because that would mean Tobi is 90+ years old" argument isn't that solid either. We went for more than 3 years with the "knowledge" of Tobi being Madara and he would've had to be around that age, too. No one questioned that, we all thought "well, there might just be some immortality jutsu or whatever". Even in-universe the characters were surprised by this but basically said "if it's Madara just about everything is possible". We even had a 90+ years old character alive and kicking in the series (Kakuzu). I don't see why now all of a sudden the age should matter that much.

As of now I can't come up with a satisfying answer to Tobi's identity. It's either someone we already know and then it's gonna be tough to come up with a convincing explanation. Or it's someone we've never seen before. Both would be disappointing in my book...

Madara said he is dead (chapter 577). So if Madara resurrected him with the rinnegan, he must have his mangekyo sharingan. Then why did Tobi take Obito's right eye ?


His soul and his brother's soul are sealed by Hiruzen Sarutobi with the Shiki Fujin.


Uchiha shisui is dead (chapter 222), and Madara is dead before the 2nd war of shinobi (Nagato had already the Madara's rinnegans during the 2nd war ). So Madara cannot resurrect him.


Itachi had the mangekyo, then shisui is dead. Tobi's hair has not importance, sometimes Tobi's hair is long (chapter 507 and chapter 400 page 8) and other time Tobi's hair is short.

- what does Itachi's mangekyou have to do with anything?
- Tobi's hair is not sometimes long and sometimes short, it was long when Itachi sought him out shortly before killing the clan. he simply cut it later. I don't think he possesses a "spontanously hair growth no jutsu"

Just when the whole Obito connection deal dies off some this chapter comes along. I also like how everyone is talking about Rin now. The Tobi=Rin theories is extra lulz. The real revea of Tobil will be interesting.

Why is Tobi enjoying Kakashi explaining everything while he can stop him from telling everything ?
And why naruto bankai mode now ? why kyubi so weak puppy to naruto ?

Because Tobi knows they're not going down with a punch and Kakashi will explain everything eventually. There is no way to stop him.

Because Naruto trained and got control over Kyubi. I think we read few chapters about it a while back. (Turtle island arc)

And Kyubi already helped him against Madara and Tobi 6 paths. It's not like he suddenly agreed to help him just because what Tobi said in this chapter.

You make this sound absolutely adorable xD

the tobi=rin theory is really hilarious, this is why tobi identity threads don't lead anywhere

mask man can be anybody.

mask man's rinnegan was lended to pein he said. but we all seen pein had those eyes since he was a child. So this could be a plot hole ? lol

and pein took away pein's eye. so the eyes are like an rpg item. they can take it away and just
put it inside anytime. Who knows if tobi just took away tobi's sharingan ?

but i think tobi's eye was damaged. did he used resusrection no juice ?

Damn it, Naruto! Only interrupt a conversation if you have something new or worthwhile to say. Not the same rubbish we've been hearing for 200+ chapters.


I preferred it when the Kyuubi was pissed at the world. Him and Naruto as BFFs has just enabled more unnecessary flashbacks and future Hokage speeches.

A member of the Uchiha clan has to kill the person that he loves the most for having the mangekyo sharigan. So Itachi killed Shisui.
Tobi's hair was long when Itachi asked him help for his mission (chapter 400 page 8 ). So Tobi cannot be Shisui.



Tobi took the Madara's rinnegans after Madara's death and gave them to Nagato. Madara has his still his rinnegans. So he died with his rinnegans. We can say Madara was already dead before the 2nd war of shinobi.

Hey amenboy972.Itachi didn't kill him.Shisui literally went away and according to itachi "erased his existence" after giving him 1 of his eyes. Read chapter 550 again Itachi tells naruto what happened and who eye it was then destroys it to prevent someone else from getting it.

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yeah shisui even had the mangekyo sharingan without killing itachi, same can be said about kakashi, but he's still right about tobi not being shisui. Like he said just a while after itachi met shisui, itachi went to meet tobi who had longer hair, and for shisui's best friend and a genius to think he's madara and not shisui it's enough to prove it false
I'm completely lost, if he's not shisui, izuna or obito then who is he? you can't say he's just a madara clone after all that hype about his identity, and to keep his mask on around minato, kakashi, itachi hints that they may know him, I'm starting to think he's obito's father but that's just silly