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| 5 out of 5: Loved it! | 39 | 70.91% | |
| 4 out of 5: Liked it | 9 | 16.36% | |
| 3 out of 5: It was OK | 3 | 5.45% | |
| 2 out of 5: Disliked it | 3 | 5.45% | |
| 1 out of 5: Hated it | 1 | 1.82% |
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#41
08-12-12, 5:34 AM
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Great chapter, made me think about a few things.. 1) Humans are the only creatures capable of crying. 2) Aliens are scary.. 3) I wish God existed.. 4) The Gantz characters are so gullible! (except Kurono) 5) What happened to Kurono#2? 6) Hitler and Michael Jackson will haunt my nightmares! |
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08-12-12, 8:38 AM
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HATUL300 said: Pero said: HATUL300 said: According to that, Human Perception has an universal value, and beings that don't share it are inferior. But isn't that just saying different=inferiority?An ant cannot suffer like a human being (not even close) so comparing a human's life with an ant's is quite unscientific, but whatever. While human feelings are relevant to human interaction, they aren't for other species. Wouldn't we be from their perspective different, and as such, inferior? Lets make one thing clear, humans used to be almost as dumb as animals and today after hundreds of thousands of years of existence have the intelligence to discover things about the nature of reality and moreover have the technology that gives us the ability to speak to each other about this subject from different places all over the world (like we're doing now). Meanwhile, animals live exactly the same way they did hundreds of thousands of years ago.. And I'm not saying animal's feelings are not important, but any neurologist can tell you that the suffering of ant or even a chicken isn't comparable to the suffering of a human being. I don't think it's very controversial to say that humans are superior in many ways.. If you just want to call it "different" that's fine, but I don't think that's an accurate description. I understand what your trying to say, but you forget that the theory of evolution is a theory which means it's not proven. You cant really know we evolved from primitive beings. |
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08-12-12, 8:50 AM
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Great chapter! I hope this manga don't let me down... |
#44
08-12-12, 10:37 AM
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That was so damn good, and the hitler cameo was hilarious. ![]() |
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08-12-12, 12:47 PM
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Kosters said: -"Why can't people live without sacrificing others?" -"That's how things are" A few pages later they start bitching about how humans have little regard for lesser species. Why can't that be just "how things are"? Not to mention they also say, "Even if hundreds or millions of you were to die, it would be of no importance of us. From our point of view, you are microscopic. No more than insects." Isn't that way of thinking, human-like and arrogant? Oh, and all of this "Magic 8 Ball" shit is hilarious. I totally agree. Kosters said: Flaxman said: 3. How could Kurono and Tae FLY THROUGH SPACE!? Yeah, what was up with that? Wouldn't they, among other things, freeze to death? 1. "Getting hit/punch/kick" is nothing but getting high pressure on some part of body. Since the suit protects from hits and any other kind of physical damage, it must be protecting from low/high atmospheric pressure as well. 2. The scene below from the animated series episode 26 reveals that the suit protects the wearer from high temperatures. I presume that it also protects from freezing in very low temperatures. Yeah, I know that episode 26 is a filler and does not match to any chapter in manga. But I don't think there would be much logical difference. -------- About this chapter... I loved this chapter very much. It is good that finally the most wondered questions are answered. However, I'm a religious guy, I was offended by my claim that God were not to be existed. |
#46
08-12-12, 4:52 PM
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Nice Chapter, indeed! A lot questions was answered. And i liked most of those... I guess gantz is really in it end. List to Metrox => http://www.myspace.com/bandametrox |
#47
08-13-12, 9:20 AM
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Benevolance said: HATUL300 said: Pero said: HATUL300 said: According to that, Human Perception has an universal value, and beings that don't share it are inferior. But isn't that just saying different=inferiority?An ant cannot suffer like a human being (not even close) so comparing a human's life with an ant's is quite unscientific, but whatever. While human feelings are relevant to human interaction, they aren't for other species. Wouldn't we be from their perspective different, and as such, inferior? Lets make one thing clear, humans used to be almost as dumb as animals and today after hundreds of thousands of years of existence have the intelligence to discover things about the nature of reality and moreover have the technology that gives us the ability to speak to each other about this subject from different places all over the world (like we're doing now). Meanwhile, animals live exactly the same way they did hundreds of thousands of years ago.. And I'm not saying animal's feelings are not important, but any neurologist can tell you that the suffering of ant or even a chicken isn't comparable to the suffering of a human being. I don't think it's very controversial to say that humans are superior in many ways.. If you just want to call it "different" that's fine, but I don't think that's an accurate description. I understand what your trying to say, but you forget that the theory of evolution is a theory which means it's not proven. You cant really know we evolved from primitive beings. Wow... Really? I joined just to reply to this asinine comment. Um, yes we can genius. I love how people of your caliber get intellectually "stuck" on the word "theory". When you have an idea in science it is called a "Hypothesis": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothesis After rigorous testing, if the evidence is overwhelming, it becomes accepted as a "Theory" which in the science world means it's as close to fact as it gets without looking in the back of "Gods" answer book and cheating, or having the answer proved without any doubt. Please educate yourself: https://humanorigins.si.edu/resources/whats-hot/new-early-human-species-announced http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution This is probably a bit more up your street: http://earlyhumans.mrdonn.org/ Gantz is my favourite manga but your comment depressed me so much I'm not in the mood to comment too much. Good chapter but need more satisfying explanation at some point. Modified by paulpesci, 08-13-12, 9:42 AM |
#49
08-15-12, 7:38 AM
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I didn't cared for anything. It was explained but not wow for me at least I guess. I mean the answer for ridiculous. The dinosaurs moving that was a statue in the museum was an alien and those moving statues in Italy or greece was it ? those were alien too ? what about the onion aliens ? they speak Japanese and eat aliens ? And those chicken aliens riding inside lego robots. lmao What I really want to know is Sebastian !!!! I thought he was the final boss ! Will the alien in here be just a neutral unbeatable alien and sebastian a hacker of gantz ? Maybe being able to use gantz abilities any time ?... Final boss ?... Gosh disappointing how americans just beat it like that. Americans can just beat sebastian too then. lol I went back and read sebastian and he is like covering his face. Nice pose to smash airplane. and that alien said aliens invaded, but what about those vampires ? supernatural power users ? guess anything is possible in gantz. ----------------------------------------------------- So these giant aliens were the most powerful aliens ? I don't think so. What I think is there were lot's of planets in the space but for whatever reason all got smashed or had to leave that planet and move to earth. The aliens at the beginning happen to be a few survivors. They were the stronger ones who happen to be less in numbers. The giants in here are stronger because they have intelligence and they all moved with the mothership and also have technology. Sounds like whole planet people moved to earth. I think nurarihyon alien was the strongest alien till now. In the osaka arc. communicate better ? what about the dog face ? lol Modified by wigglejelly, 08-16-12, 3:45 AM |
#50
08-15-12, 1:39 PM
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Benevolance said: EsPwnage said: Benevolance said: I think the faces on the aliens are just a way for them to communicate with humans better. They speak human language and they use faces that we are familiar with to get the message across better. But any-who......OH MI GOD!!!! This chapter answered 368 chapters worth of questions!! I was kind of ticked of tho. I felt like kei and friends should have been asking a lot more questions. Like "how are humans able to be revived". If I was in their position, I would be asking a hell of a lot more questions about the world. They also should have asked why their eyes were bleeding. It said that those people inside the gantz balls were interpritations of randomnly selected people0 hence the revival system. I'm probably wrong but what I'm saying is a guess. So they revived ppl by copying their brain and putting them in those white gantz bodies? How they revive people is quite simple actually. The machine that transfers them is a kind of teleportation machine. Teleporting works by analyzing the molegular-atomic structure of an object and recreating them in another place while destroying the one in the first place. So in reality is just a copy maker not really a transfer, that's how teleporting actually works and that is a big debate between science fiction fans on whether anyone would actually use such a machine because in reality the original dies. Anyway from the moment that machine analyzed their bodies then it can basically make copies of them as much as it likes. So they didn't actually revived, it just that the machine has a copy of their molecular structure. You should have realized as much from the fact that there are two Kurono's. If it was real revival then it wouldn't be possible to have two of them. So as you see anyone with a little science knowledge already knows that answer and doesn't need to ask said question. Modified by Monad, 08-19-12, 10:11 AM |
#51
08-16-12, 1:13 PM
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Not much new information - well the big face insiders, maybe. But it's already known that Gantz is alien technology. They fought with aliens. The invasative aliens were advanced, and strong. They all came, because they world is dying, but for what, where? The interesting part is what will happen now? These new aliens will go away, stay, kill everyone - not likely - give the big 42 and happy end? The Gantz upper management is dead, but the technology is there across the world, with it, someone can rule the world, will the human race prosper or kill itself? This inferior insect comparison, as contradictive - for the alien point of view - as someone already discribed; humans are arrogant - they are, but for this? I think it's a little under the Gantz limit, but the faces were shifty :) For all can't wait til september.. |
#52
08-17-12, 12:45 AM
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I'm not as optimistic as many of you guys about GANTZ. Honestly, I think the mangaka is just pulling shit out of his ass and trying to find a way to end this manga (remember he said he wanted to finish it by the end of THIS YEAR!). I think we're going to get a lot of plot holes by the time this manga ends, many questions will go on unanswered, or worst of all we could have one of "those" type endings. You know, where nothing makes sense or where everything is conveniently tied up....I hate that shit, but I feel like it's going to happen with Gantz. |
#53
08-18-12, 2:38 PM
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ichigo03 said: He's been pulling shit out of his ass since chapter 1, I don't know why that surprises you. I mean, I like Gantz for what it is, but let's not pretend that this crazy bullshit that comes out of nowhere is anything new.Honestly, I think the mangaka is just pulling shit out of his ass and trying to find a way to end this manga (remember he said he wanted to finish it by the end of THIS YEAR!). |
#54
08-20-12, 1:25 AM
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Pero said: Kosters said: They are saying that humans are inconsequential to the bigger picture and to them. It does sound like human arrogance at first but it makes no mention of an existentialist superiority to give themselves importance which they dismissed as a human trait.A few pages later they start bitching about how humans have little regard for lesser species. Why can't that be just "how things are"? Not to mention they also say, "Even if hundreds or millions of you were to die, it would be of no importance of us. From our point of view, you are microscopic. No more than insects." Isn't that way of thinking, human-like and arrogant? But they are showing off their superiority by implicating themselves into the "order of things". A truly agnostic race wouldn't really talk like that. That was a poor attempt. Next big boss is them I call for it. bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
#55
08-20-12, 1:28 AM
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Monad said: Benevolance said: EsPwnage said: Benevolance said: I think the faces on the aliens are just a way for them to communicate with humans better. They speak human language and they use faces that we are familiar with to get the message across better. But any-who......OH MI GOD!!!! This chapter answered 368 chapters worth of questions!! I was kind of ticked of tho. I felt like kei and friends should have been asking a lot more questions. Like "how are humans able to be revived". If I was in their position, I would be asking a hell of a lot more questions about the world. They also should have asked why their eyes were bleeding. It said that those people inside the gantz balls were interpritations of randomnly selected people0 hence the revival system. I'm probably wrong but what I'm saying is a guess. So they revived ppl by copying their brain and putting them in those white gantz bodies? How they revive people is quite simple actually. The machine that transfers them is a kind of teleportation machine. Teleporting works by analyzing the molegular-atomic structure of an object and recreating them in another place while destroying the one in the first place. So in reality is just a copy maker not really a transfer, that's how teleporting actually works and that is a big debate between science fiction fans on whether anyone would actually use such a machine because in reality the original dies. Anyway from the moment that machine analyzed their bodies then it can basically make copies of them as much as it likes. So they didn't actually revived, it just that the machine has a copy of their molecular structure. You should have realized as much from the fact that there are two Kurono's. If it was real revival then it wouldn't be possible to have two of them. So as you see anyone with a little science knowledge already knows that answer and doesn't need to ask said question. ^That's your answer |
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08-23-12, 8:07 AM
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On the topic of life and death and revival you should also consider that every single person that wears a gantz suit is dead already in a way. They died, that's why they got selected and copied in the first place by gantz. So the #2 Kurono is not the only one that's "just a copy". This new chapter was very interesting but the alien God-like existence acted really weird. I mean he changes his way of answering from one moment to the next. At first he answers important questions just abstractly like to the question "why can't people live without sacrificing?" he just gives answers like "That's how things are", "Existence is like this"(because the author himself obviously doesn't know the answers of course) and to the counter-question if he can only answer in this abstract way he replies with "It's because it is the most important shot" as if he meant to say that this "flow" of answering of his is most important in essence but actually his reply was just as abstract as his 2 answers before so you can't really tell wether he's just spouting out these replies like a machine that got progammed or if he really has some sort of higher knowledge that he bases his answers on. I don't think the alien act arrogant or even hostile towards the humans as some others here already commented. After he's done with his abstract answers he starts to explain kuronos question and then notes that all of this didn't happen out of sympathy for humankind nor could he care less about the extinction of man as they're nothing more than insects to them. And by saying that he's absolutely right. He might as well have said that he doesn't care about any form of life on earth as they're all just insects to them from their point of view. But think back. Since the humans acted so arrogantly even in front of the alien in the room of truth and centered their thoughts around themselves(humankind) once they heard his explanation, he told them not to be mistaken. By talking about "God" which is a manifestation that centers around man(when the first people started talking about the universe not being centered around earth but the sun, they were being executed for blasphemy, a example of humans always placing themselves higher than they are) and being so happy about meeting another race that cares, they broke into tears. That is why the alien refered to them as arrogant, they just demonstrated directly in front of him how they center their every thought around themselves and that everything in this world just exists for the good of them. But that's not how things work, the aliens didn't help them because they are friends of humankind. But the people in the room just automatically assumed that from hearing the answers of the alien. The aliens told the humans about their insect-like existence probably as a form of critic and not because they're arrogant themselves. He's using human/sympathical faces to seem more familiar to the humans and less scary. He obviously tries to communicate with them in a way that they can best understand. So it also wouldn't be wrong to assume that out of the humans self-centered view the critic of being like insects to them would give a better understanding of humans flaws. It's like taking their worst and showing it to them in a mirror. It's a bit of a difference having realistic thoughts and seeing the difference in power between 2 life forms(like comparing a zebras status to a lions) and taking your own race and always lifting it above every other existences status. To me that's a difference at least because the first is just how things are(similar like the answer by the alien as to why there is such a big difference between rich and poor people) and the other is a species that isn't actually meant to be a god or even compare themselves to such a creature that is above everyone else. Humans are in that aspect more like a parasite on earth. If earth was one single life form and we were microscopic bacterias, we would probably be a virus. Modified by Flevalt, 08-23-12, 8:17 AM |
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08-25-12, 3:19 PM
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Finally caught up to the manga, 3 days of rigorous reading. Seems to me, that this series is slowly but surely moving towards it's end. For this episode though, it gave me this strange sense of satisaction. Giving answers, while criticizing humans and propagating a peaceful life was good enough fo me. Looking forward to the next chapter, whenever it arrives. |
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08-28-12, 3:58 PM
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Flevalt said: On the topic of life and death and revival you should also consider that every single person that wears a gantz suit is dead already in a way. They died, that's why they got selected and copied in the first place by gantz. So the #2 Kurono is not the only one that's "just a copy". This new chapter was very interesting but the alien God-like existence acted really weird. I mean he changes his way of answering from one moment to the next. At first he answers important questions just abstractly like to the question "why can't people live without sacrificing?" he just gives answers like "That's how things are", "Existence is like this"(because the author himself obviously doesn't know the answers of course) and to the counter-question if he can only answer in this abstract way he replies with "It's because it is the most important shot" as if he meant to say that this "flow" of answering of his is most important in essence but actually his reply was just as abstract as his 2 answers before so you can't really tell wether he's just spouting out these replies like a machine that got progammed or if he really has some sort of higher knowledge that he bases his answers on. I don't think the alien act arrogant or even hostile towards the humans as some others here already commented. After he's done with his abstract answers he starts to explain kuronos question and then notes that all of this didn't happen out of sympathy for humankind nor could he care less about the extinction of man as they're nothing more than insects to them. And by saying that he's absolutely right. He might as well have said that he doesn't care about any form of life on earth as they're all just insects to them from their point of view. But think back. Since the humans acted so arrogantly even in front of the alien in the room of truth and centered their thoughts around themselves(humankind) once they heard his explanation, he told them not to be mistaken. By talking about "God" which is a manifestation that centers around man(when the first people started talking about the universe not being centered around earth but the sun, they were being executed for blasphemy, a example of humans always placing themselves higher than they are) and being so happy about meeting another race that cares, they broke into tears. That is why the alien refered to them as arrogant, they just demonstrated directly in front of him how they center their every thought around themselves and that everything in this world just exists for the good of them. But that's not how things work, the aliens didn't help them because they are friends of humankind. But the people in the room just automatically assumed that from hearing the answers of the alien. The aliens told the humans about their insect-like existence probably as a form of critic and not because they're arrogant themselves. He's using human/sympathical faces to seem more familiar to the humans and less scary. He obviously tries to communicate with them in a way that they can best understand. So it also wouldn't be wrong to assume that out of the humans self-centered view the critic of being like insects to them would give a better understanding of humans flaws. It's like taking their worst and showing it to them in a mirror. It's a bit of a difference having realistic thoughts and seeing the difference in power between 2 life forms(like comparing a zebras status to a lions) and taking your own race and always lifting it above every other existences status. To me that's a difference at least because the first is just how things are(similar like the answer by the alien as to why there is such a big difference between rich and poor people) and the other is a species that isn't actually meant to be a god or even compare themselves to such a creature that is above everyone else. Humans are in that aspect more like a parasite on earth. If earth was one single life form and we were microscopic bacterias, we would probably be a virus. <-What this guy said, the aliens aren't being arrogant by telling humanity that it's worthless to them because the aliens are far more advanced. Just like ants are tiny bugs to us humans are tiny bugs to them, the difference is that ants don't go around bragging about their superiority or f**king up other creatures. Humanity really does nothing for anybody but itself, and obviously if humanity got into a war with the creatures that gave them the only weapons that they can use to fight a species that's only slightly more technologically advanced at this than they are at this point they would lose. If they were interested in war they could have wiped out those other aliens themselves and wiped out humanity themselves, they just can't be bothered because they're doing whatever they do. To call them "Gods" is simplistic, and they don't want to be known as humanity's savior. They are superior to humans however, because of everything they have going for them, but they aren't douchebags about it the way humans are. We don't even know how many of that species exists, how they move, or what their planet looks like. All we know is that the creatures that destroyed human society with no effort (and saw them as insects) didn't see a war with them worthwhile. |
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09-01-12, 6:18 PM
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the aliens speak some truth, but I never thought Oku Hiroya would really go that far in his manga; first insulting the human race and secondly drawing Hitler's face... anyways I wonder how they're going to react. |
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09-01-12, 6:49 PM
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Great chapter btw, i know this is random, but it's kind of funny that everyone just forgot about sakurai while he was on his rampage. i mean, not even one person bothered to ask where he was. It's like he was completely erased from everyone's mind and was left to die by himself . |



