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10-09-08, 8:10 PM

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Your not thinking about parol are you? ;)
 
10-09-08, 8:17 PM

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It is sick and wrong on so many levels, and not just because of the trauma it can induce. Though it's also worth mentioning that underage girls, if savvy enough, can sometimes be even worse than the sexual predators themselves thanks to the powers of both manipulation and the double standard. And I'd personally imagine there are quite a lot of minors who'd be perfectly willing to use such a relationship to their own advantage.
 
10-09-08, 8:19 PM

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khorven said:
How much does your Japanese-influenced moral allow you to sexualize let's say:



eh?

I personally do not believe in the whole 'age of consent', this supposed 'children don't know what sex is' is bullshit to me, first because 'knowing what sex is' is a pretty vague and ill-defined term, secondly, I haven't seen any research being done into it at all, thirdly, there have been countless cultures par locum et tempus where it was normal practice for children to have whatever sex, even with animals without any psychological trauma to them. Classical Greek and Rome, classical India, Classical American civilizations, Arabia, and of course Japan. I'm pretty much devoid of moral in the conventional sense, that is disapproving of things 'because they are sick'. So indeed, I sexualize some real life loli. With the stress on 'some', æsthetic people are rare for me to meet, attractive people even more so. As I already let know in the gender role topic, I don't think that much in 'age' and 'gender', I do think in 'cute', I like cuteness, and that's more so often found in loli.


How old are you talking man? If you approve of fucking 5 year olds than your a sick bastard. I 14-15 year old girl is a bit differnt but that really depends on her maturity level, I would never think of going with any female more that 4 years younger than me unless we were adults. Its truly digusting to take advantage of a childs innocence.
 
10-09-08, 8:21 PM

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wtf D:
 
10-09-08, 8:33 PM

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Rpgwiz99 said:
khorven said:
How much does your Japanese-influenced moral allow you to sexualize let's say:



eh?

I personally do not believe in the whole 'age of consent', this supposed 'children don't know what sex is' is bullshit to me, first because 'knowing what sex is' is a pretty vague and ill-defined term, secondly, I haven't seen any research being done into it at all, thirdly, there have been countless cultures par locum et tempus where it was normal practice for children to have whatever sex, even with animals without any psychological trauma to them. Classical Greek and Rome, classical India, Classical American civilizations, Arabia, and of course Japan. I'm pretty much devoid of moral in the conventional sense, that is disapproving of things 'because they are sick'. So indeed, I sexualize some real life loli. With the stress on 'some', æsthetic people are rare for me to meet, attractive people even more so. As I already let know in the gender role topic, I don't think that much in 'age' and 'gender', I do think in 'cute', I like cuteness, and that's more so often found in loli.


How old are you talking man? If you approve of fucking 5 year olds than your a sick bastard. I 14-15 year old girl is a bit differnt but that really depends on her maturity level, I would never think of going with any female more that 4 years younger than me unless we were adults. Its truly digusting to take advantage of a childs innocence.
The problem with society is that they think in ages and not judge this per person, humans are extremely conscious to think in one those 'three', age, sex and race, they tend to class people very absolutely in it which is reflected throughout history with laws based upon them, like 'vote after eighteen years old only', that's pretty much a textbook example of acting upon a præjudice, this discrimination, it's based on the præjudice that all people below eighteen cannot vote consciously, but all people of seventeen years old are different, some will be able to, and some will not, just as some will be able to when they are nineteen, and some will not. Some twelve year old children are definitely ready for sex, you have to admit that, some aren't, some, but fewer of ten years old are, and some of seventeen even aren't.

But the point is that a child makes clear that it isn't ready for it, that idea that children are easy to manipulate into it is long outdated psychology and was first conceived without any research into it. Yes, it's true, 99 per cent of ten year old children will not be ready for intercourse, that's probably why 99 per cent of them says 'eeeewwww' when they even hear the word. The notion of 'difference in dominance' is also outdated, as is turns out, it's not significantly different from difference in dominance in adults, a shy woman dating an assured man, so to speak.

That colloquial thought is that 'children can't decide' was never backed up by research, and only in the last decade was it finally decided to do some research, which reveals the negation, children can determine and mention if they want intercourse, which leads to the vast majority simply saying 'no', simple as that. And research has shown that children have no bad side-effects if it was consensual,and if it wasn't than the side-effects aren't significantly different from adults being raped. Throughout history, there have been countless of such notions of a 'weaker' group in society, some examples:

'Women cannot decide consciously how to vote.'
'People that aren't noble can't decide how to run a country'
'Black people don't know what's good for them.'
'Gay men are all rapists of other men.'
lastly:
'Children can't decide what friends they want, what videogames they will play and last.y if they want sex.'

All of these things were never backed up by research, but man has a penchant to believe those things.
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10-09-08, 8:34 PM

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Nice private photobucket, guy.




I wonder how many more of those you have...
 
10-09-08, 8:35 PM

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Links to research?
 
10-09-08, 8:42 PM

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ZinnKid said:
*fixed
Flibbertigibbet said:
be_loved said:
Drybananna said:
LadyShiva said:
I love Children in general in any form


LOL NO!
better looking than u
 
10-09-08, 8:43 PM

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Nice private photobucket, guy.




I wonder how many more of those you have...
Only those, I have 01 . 07 on my drive, I wanted to post those two and uploaded them and then thought 'mehh, overdone, I'll let them search for it if they want'.

Which leaves me to ask you why you checked the URL of that link? Expecting a blog to find more eh?
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10-09-08, 8:57 PM

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That's an adorable pic OP, but seriously, hell fucking no.
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10-09-08, 8:59 PM

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ZinnKid said:
wonder how long that took
lol
 
10-09-08, 9:00 PM

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sikkkke said:
ZinnKid said:
wonder how long that took
script.
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10-09-08, 9:02 PM

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^ best script ever

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10-09-08, 9:12 PM

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the_seventh_l said:
^ best script ever

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The actual copypasta:
http://zinnkid.dyndns.org/upload/chris.htm
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10-09-08, 9:26 PM

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I'm not fond of real loli, just as I am not fond of real children. 2D loli are idealized and unrealistic, which is why we like them.

I mean, who wants to have to feed them and stuff?
 
10-09-08, 9:31 PM

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This shit is getting out of hand now, why the hell are we posting pics of little asian girls with swimsuits?

And khorven, there's an age limit for certain things for a reason. Young people have no real life experience, they make quick, rash decisions based on whatever emotions they are experiencing at the time. A 12 year old girl and an 18 year girl have 2 totally different mindsets, saying that age doesnt matter is a cop out for your sick ass fetish. It takes years to figure out how your body really works, and how sex is going to effect you physically and emotionally, and a lot of people who have sex before they are ready scar themselves, a lot dont even realize that they have done it either. Children consenting to adults is not a consent out of a sexual desire, its out of a desire to please a person they trust and admire most of the time, and when the adult takes advantage of that, it is one of the worst thing that is possible.

And you base this shit off of 'Classical Greek and Rome', what a load of shit, saying that it doesn't cause any 'psychological Trauma to them', now how do we know that? Did people study the reactions of kids while they were getting forced to wed/sex at age 10? Kids who have sex at a young age with an adult do suffer from relationship issues, trust issues and a number of other effects. The truth is children cant make the decision about sex, shit half of the adults in the world cant make a rational decision when it comes to sex, and children are by far the worst to place in a position of that.

After reading about your own 'loli' which you seem so proud of, all it shows is how weak and pitiful a person can be. You say you have no morals, but we both know thats not true, on some level you know what you suposedly did with this 'loli' was wrong (i say suposedly because honestly I think you are starved for attention and thats why you pick abstract topics to rattle about). You wont admit it I know, you will more than likely have some big essay ready for me to read when I check again, telling me to mathematically prove that a 12 year old cant make a decision or some bs. But when the smoke clears all that is left is the fact that you are a sick fuck my friend, and I hope you grow up one day and dont end up being a pedaphile like you are quickly approaching.
 
10-09-08, 9:36 PM

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Anime loli = Good, most of the time.
Real life loli = Epic Failure.
My opinion on it.
 
10-09-08, 10:01 PM

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Razma said:
This shit is getting out of hand now, why the hell are we posting pics of little asian girls with swimsuits?

And khorven, there's an age limit for certain things for a reason. Young people have no real life experience, they make quick, rash decisions based on whatever emotions they are experiencing at the time. A 12 year old girl and an 18 year girl have 2 totally different mindsets, saying that age doesnt matter is a cop out for your sick ass fetish. It takes years to figure out how your body really works, and how sex is going to effect you physically and emotionally, and a lot of people who have sex before they are ready scar themselves, a lot dont even realize that they have done it either. Children consenting to adults is not a consent out of a sexual desire, its out of a desire to please a person they trust and admire most of the time, and when the adult takes advantage of that, it is one of the worst thing that is possible.
Back it up, the burden of proof is yours. I don't even have to show sources, that's the funny part, the burden of proof is yours.

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And you base this shit off of 'Classical Greek and Rome', what a load of shit, saying that it doesn't cause any 'psychological Trauma to them', now how do we know that? Did people study the reactions of kids while they were getting forced to wed/sex at age 10? Kids who have sex at a young age with an adult do suffer from relationship issues, trust issues and a number of other effects. The truth is children cant make the decision about sex, shit half of the adults in the world cant make a rational decision when it comes to sex, and children are by far the worst to place in a position of that.
Same shit, burden of proof is yours.


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After reading about your own 'loli' which you seem so proud of, all it shows is how weak and pitiful a person can be. You say you have no morals, but we both know thats not true, on some level you know what you suposedly did with this 'loli' was wrong (i say suposedly because honestly I think you are starved for attention and thats why you pick abstract topics to rattle about). You wont admit it I know, you will more than likely have some big essay ready for me to read when I check again, telling me to mathematically prove that a 12 year old cant make a decision or some bs. But when the smoke clears all that is left is the fact that you are a sick fuck my friend, and I hope you grow up one day and dont end up being a pedaphile like you are quickly approaching.
Ain't we having a self-fulfilling prophecy here? You make your opinion up without knowing the situation here? She hit on me, not the reverse, like I said in that topic, I knew her from the nets and I didn't know she was twelve until it was too late, now that would be hypocrite of me to to back of then. I already knew her personality but would be scared by her twelve year old looking exterior? If I did that I could never again claim to not go for appearance. Besides, it's the Netherlands, same sex marriage, marijuana, euthanasia? Twenty per cent of this country lost its virginity by the time they were thirteen. The really funny part is that I'm still a virgin in my early twenties because I didn't want to do it but she wanted... bet you didn't expect that. I believe I also said some-where already that I was a virigin.

Oh, and just to end it:
source

source. It shouldn't even be necessary as the burden of proof is yours, but whatever, consider yourself another hypocrite of the same levels as those who opposed female suffrage... but that doesn't make you any sub-mediocre, believe me, it's human.. all men præ-Lucy Stone did so and you would do too if you were born then, just as people now for strange reasons think violent videogames are bad for children which was never proven, or sitting long being the computer causes RSI, which was also never proven.

A physicist says this about it:

"physicist" said:


"What this does, in essence, is it has a chilling effect on research," Byrd
said. "That is, once you declassify it, there's no reason to continue
studying it."


I think this is a pretty silly arguement. He argues as if it were an arguement about declassification of the concepts as a whole, but for as far as I understand, the only thing argued in the paper I linked was removal of them from the DSM as being paraphilia, or 'mental illnesses'. His point also doesn't hold; consider what happened to homosexuality after it was removed from DSM. No more studies were done ever since...? I find that hard to believe.


"If pedophilia is deemed normal by psychiatrists, then how can it remain
illegal?" Nicolosi asked. "It will be a tough fight to prove in the courts
that it should still be against the law."


Exactly. And we should be able to question those laws being right. This person is funny, she takes practising pedophilia being illegal as a REQUIREMENT in debating removal of the attraction pedophilia from DSM definitions, rather than using DSM as a source of information for creating such laws. In other words, she hangs on to an un-(or at least under-)arguemented law as an arguement to reject removal of pedophilia as being a mental illness. How silly can one be...


In previous articles, psychiatrists have argued that there is little or no proof that sex with adults is necessarily harmful to minors. Indeed, they
have argued that many sexually molested children later look back on their
experience as positive, Nicolosi said.
[important]

"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if
children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining
moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

But whether pedophilia should be judged "normal and healthy" is as much a
moral question as a scientific one, according to Nicolosi.


She acknowledges that sex at a young age is often looked back on positively according to some psychiatrists, and doesn't falsify that, but accepts it. As there is no remaining logical ground to reject it, she says that despite this evidence, she'll hang on to her (unfounded) morals. Now this is a big person in the science called "psychiatry".. Wow.


In a fact sheet on pedophilia, the APA calls the behavior "criminal and
immoral."


That it is criminal is irrelevant, the law is subject to change and cannot be used to argue whether an attraction is 'right' or 'wrong'. That it is immoral is also subject to change, and definately not something that is solid or inherently true. In other words: the APA just said "we do not like pedophilia". Nothing more, no further value can be added to this statement, except that current society (with no further arguements) apparently agrees with them; for the law and morals are that way. It's only an observation on how we feel about it, not a guideline about how we should feel about it.


Some years ago, the APA considered the question of whether a person who had
such attractions but did not act on them should still be labeled with a
disorder.

"We clarified in the DSM-IV-TR...that if a person acted on those urges, we
considered it a disorder," Regier said.


According to DSM, people that have sexual feelings for children and do not act on them, are not pedophiles. :lol:

Another compelling arguement in favor of maintaining paraphilias in DSM:

"Getting rid of the paraphilias, which would mean getting rid of pedophilia,
that would not happen in a million years."


His reasoning is stunning. "We must not remove it, because we will never remove it."

APA is a joke, from what I'm reading here. I'm imagining a room full of psychiatrists (which is a joke on itself) debating in the most moralistic country of all, which I believe is the USA. All being veteran psychiatrists and very protective of what they achieved through DSM and psychiatry. I think they are indeed so biased they are uncapable of drawing logical or "objective" conclusions on the matter.

The paper I linked was not objective, but it was sufficiently arguemented and I've yet to see them falsified by proper reasoning or valid arguements.



And no, I have no morals... I also am not affected by the 'dreadful human quality to præfer to believe what I præfer to be true, I also have extremely high resistance to imprinting, in fact, I have on various occasions completely turned my life perspective around at the singlemost sign of compelling counterarguments, what we debate her is one of them. I used to think that videogames were bad for children and I advocated censorship, until I saw the first research into it and then thought 'bullshit, change of opinion', I have no morals and no sense of 'decency', for all I care you fuck a demented granny in her eye socket as long as she doesn't disapprove.

And I'm still a virgin yes, which has nothing to do with morals, I'm simply not keen on getting naked.
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10-09-08, 10:11 PM

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Shit I really dont have a burden of proof, thats the lovely thing about having morals, you dont have to have proof that something is wrong. you just know that fucking a 12 year old is wrong, great isnt it? The real burden is on you, having to talk yourself into believing that half of the shit that comes out of your mouth isnt pure garbage.
 
10-09-08, 10:15 PM

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Shit I really dont have a burden of proof, thats the lovely thing about having morals, you dont have to have proof that something is wrong. you just know that fucking a 12 year old is wrong, great isnt it? The real burden is on you, having to talk yourself into believing that half of the shit that comes out of your mouth isnt pure garbage.


This is the equivalent of

 
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