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08-11-12, 4:32 PM

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Well Kayaba said that he informed the real world of the situation, it isn't like the people outside would let all the people trapped die from starvation. Well yeah lack explanation is something, but it is implied, though that aspect isn't really brought up much.
 
08-11-12, 4:51 PM

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lets put it this way if anyone asks 'how can the superman fly?'
the answer is
'You are a moron! if he didn't fly then he wouldn't have been superman.'
My answer to this is kinda similar.
Sword art online is an anime it isn't supposed to be real or answer you real expectation.if it was then there wont be any difference between this and a reality show.so stop thinking about trivial matters and enjoy the show.
now back to topics, currently sao is just airing side stories and the first season is of 25 episodes.So the answer to the discussion is they want to wrap up the Whole novel in just 2 seasons(maximum 3 )according to the novel it should have been at least 200 episodes.what it entertainment to us is just business to them!!!!!!
 
08-11-12, 9:25 PM

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Yeah gotta say that the players being taken care of in the real world was pretty obvious. Maybe not the exact method of drip feed but in ep 1 he announces how things are going in the real world. People aren't just going to say "Hey it's a game they'll finish it eventually let's leave them there to rot.."

As for the quality of the adaptation into an anime it's mixed. The "main story" was crunched into 1 volume. Side stories are separated into vol 2 and even farther. (Ep 5 was a SS from vol 8)

This is because the author was originally limited in the amount of material he could write for what he was doing at the time.

It still feels inconsistent because there are still time skips with no dialogue to transition at all but that is just how it was written. Not to say that adding in dialogue wasn't necessary or beyond their capabilities..

In fact ep 2 is a side story. The LN with vol 1 on it's own does a 2 year time skip right after Kirito departs with Klein to the 74th floor. While some are obviously more important than others, they still progress the story showing what Kirito is doing along his way besides the already mentioned characters from SS being in the main story

SAO is pretty broken up but if you piece it all together it's good. As a result the presentation suffers a bit with the time skips in the LN itself and then adapting to anime where details are cut out and left to the viewer's trying to think for themselves.

As for the hacking just take it that the government isn't able to do anything even if it is trying. If they were even able to hack into whatever the game is running on they could potentially fry the brains of thousands. People don't even know if Kayaba has a kill switch he can press if anyone does try to mess with his game.

Lastly, the consequences of PKing are touched upon but I don't know if that will be in the anime.
 
08-12-12, 3:41 AM

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I agree with the over above who mentioned that the players have no idea whats going on in the outside world. The anime did already somewhat cover people dying from in the game and out of game causes in the first month. What has not been covered are characters like Klein who according to personal statements should be dead . That once again can be covered under taboo of the outside world and how different these people are from regular coma patients.There bodies were not injured to be in this state and as a result are in stable conditions. Technically family members could be taking care of them and I am sure the creator of the game had to pay a ton in damages that went to their care. So as far as I am concerned there are no glaring plot holes in the story so far that can not be explained by common sense.
 
09-26-12, 8:52 PM

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6 pages, tl;dr, I don't know what's wrong with you guys but I didn't read the light novel and I was able to guess the implication of them being treated the same way as a normal person would be treated when they're in a coma of sort. I'm not saying this anime is "realistic" but THINK ABOUT IT. It's people like some of you that asks really dumb questions which makes so many others think anime is for kids 'cause "everyone" apparently watches them with their brain dead even though that should only be for Naruto/Bleach/.etc.

andrewisgod said:

and "smart-ass"? no, im just pointing out potential plot holes since i havent read the novel. next time you try to insult someone, at least get it right


Next time you try to insult a show, at least read around first instead?
 
09-27-12, 3:26 AM

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Yeah gotta say that the players being taken care of in the real world was pretty obvious. Maybe not the exact method of drip feed but in ep 1 he announces how things are going in the real world. People aren't just going to say "Hey it's a game they'll finish it eventually let's leave them there to rot.."


Exactly. I didn't read novel when i started watching SAO, but i didn't find "eating problem" a plot hole. Why some people think that everything have to be explained clearly, where they could use their brains and easily got a answer...

I know that most tv shows don't demand thinking, but for goddess sake, don't be so passive when watching/reading, use your brains a little. If you don't know sth, or it's not explained, just assume your answer. Either it's sth that will be cleared later or like in SAO case the answer is so simple that everybody could guess it correctly, if they actually try.
 
09-27-12, 5:33 AM

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Eltrik said:
Yeah gotta say that the players being taken care of in the real world was pretty obvious. Maybe not the exact method of drip feed but in ep 1 he announces how things are going in the real world. People aren't just going to say "Hey it's a game they'll finish it eventually let's leave them there to rot.."


Exactly. I didn't read novel when i started watching SAO, but i didn't find "eating problem" a plot hole. Why some people think that everything have to be explained clearly, where they could use their brains and easily got a answer...



The problem is that it wasn't adressed, some characters could have made a comment about it. In the first episode, Klein said he had to leave because he was hungry, and then the problem is never adressed again, if I was a player inside this game, this would be my first concern, so it's really strange that the anime never clarified the situation.
 
09-27-12, 9:32 AM

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SetsukoHara said:

The problem is that it wasn't adressed, some characters could have made a comment about it. In the first episode, Klein said he had to leave because he was hungry, and then the problem is never adressed again, if I was a player inside this game, this would be my first concern, so it's really strange that the anime never clarified the situation.


Didn't the anime explain that eating in the game gets rid of the hungry feeling? It felt like a logical conclusion as to why so many people were eating virtual food even though it does nothing for them in the real world and they didn't need healing.

 
09-27-12, 9:38 AM

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fullmetal_adam said:
These so called "plot holes" are easily explained if you took even a moment to think about it...As far as "realism" in this fictional anime is concerned, the answers to your questions require no more suspension of disbelief than the fact that a perfect virtual reality game world was created.


well said.

yayyyyy another SAO bashing thread. its not like ive seen a million of these over the past few weeks and its getting really old.....
 
09-27-12, 9:40 AM

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SetsukoHara said:
mapokl said:
Eltrik said:
Yeah gotta say that the players being taken care of in the real world was pretty obvious. Maybe not the exact method of drip feed but in ep 1 he announces how things are going in the real world. People aren't just going to say "Hey it's a game they'll finish it eventually let's leave them there to rot.."


Exactly. I didn't read novel when i started watching SAO, but i didn't find "eating problem" a plot hole. Why some people think that everything have to be explained clearly, where they could use their brains and easily got a answer...



The problem is that it wasn't adressed, some characters could have made a comment about it. In the first episode, Klein said he had to leave because he was hungry, and then the problem is never adressed again, if I was a player inside this game, this would be my first concern, so it's really strange that the anime never clarified the situation.
What characters should have mentioned it? the players that are stuck in a game and have no idea whats happening outside of it? The game is supposed to be through the players point of view(atleast for now, idk about later) they won't give us answers like that, by showing people outside of the game talking about the people in the game.

It's so simple it doesn't have to be addressed. The creator of the game said that if someone tries to take off the helmet forcefully it will kill the player, and that some people didn't heed his warning. Meaning that he had told the outside world of his plot and left it to them to take care of the player while they are in the game. So if someone can't move because his mind is stuck in a game how does he eat? through a tube like all the other coma patients(really what other explanation could there be).


 
09-27-12, 9:42 AM

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yayyyyy another SAO bashing thread. its not like ive seen a million of these over the past few weeks and its getting really old.....


This, nuff said.
 
09-27-12, 10:27 AM

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It's so simple it doesn't have to be addressed. The creator of the game said that if someone tries to take off the helmet forcefully it will kill the player, and that some people didn't heed his warning. Meaning that he had told the outside world of his plot and left it to them to take care of the player while they are in the game. So if someone can't move because his mind is stuck in a game how does he eat? through a tube like all the other coma patients(really what other explanation could there be).


When you look at the number of time this question has been asked, you're forced to admit that it wasn't very smart to shun this question. The target audience for this kind of show are: children and young teenagers, so you have to make things the clearest possible so they could grasp all aspect of the story easily.

Most people tells you that this was mentionned in the novel, so why didn't they show it in the anime? You said it was simple to figure out how they are fed, and I agree with you but it wasn't more difficult to explain the situation inside the anime, and it would have also cleared up a lot of misunderstanding.
 
09-27-12, 10:34 AM

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Actually the targeted audience for SAO aren't only for young children and teenagers, and it was first mentioned as seinen, but later due to the popularity it raised, it was changed into shounen, cause most of pp who read it have an age of 13+

And even its demographic until now aren't clear enough.

Take a look at other author's work:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accel_World

2 manga version have its demographic as "seinen", the other one as shounen. So you can see the range of age which the author plans to target.

and SAO is more mature than Accel World if you've read both the novel.
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09-27-12, 10:39 AM

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SetsukoHara said:
IntroverTurtle said:



It's so simple it doesn't have to be addressed. The creator of the game said that if someone tries to take off the helmet forcefully it will kill the player, and that some people didn't heed his warning. Meaning that he had told the outside world of his plot and left it to them to take care of the player while they are in the game. So if someone can't move because his mind is stuck in a game how does he eat? through a tube like all the other coma patients(really what other explanation could there be).


When you look at the number of time this question has been asked, you're forced to admit that it wasn't very smart to shun this question. The target audience for this kind of show are: children and young teenagers, so you have to make things the clearest possible so they could grasp all aspect of the story easily.

Most people tells you that this was mentionned in the novel, so why didn't they show it in the anime? You said it was simple to figure out how they are fed, and I agree with you but it wasn't more difficult to explain the situation inside the anime, and it would have also cleared up a lot of misunderstanding.

I doubt little children stay up till 24:00 to see anime.At least my parents didnt allow me to stay up so late when I was at elementary school.

Now if you are a middle schooler and didnt understan this then either you never heard of people in a coma(which isnt possible today) or you dont cant think for yourself.

Not knowing even a little about how people in a comatose state are treated and asking about the obvious(this isnt the 19th century anymore)lis like asking if there is a cure for AIDS.
 
09-27-12, 10:41 AM

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SetsukoHara said:

When you look at the number of time this question has been asked, you're forced to admit that it wasn't very smart to shun this question. The target audience for this kind of show are: children and young teenagers, so you have to make things the clearest possible so they could grasp all aspect of the story easily.

Most people tells you that this was mentionned in the novel, so why didn't they show it in the anime? You said it was simple to figure out how they are fed, and I agree with you but it wasn't more difficult to explain the situation inside the anime, and it would have also cleared up a lot of misunderstanding.
Yeah what Takana said it's meant for teenagers and up, and is anything able to be a secret? do they have to spell everything out? I didn't read the novel and got it right away. That's part of the story, since it's only through the players eyes, we only know exactly what they know, that's how it's supposed to be, maybe there's a bigger secret and you wouldn't get the same surprise if they explained everything about the story in the first episode. Hell the anime isn't even half over and people are complaining about things not being explained.


 
09-27-12, 11:22 AM

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I didn't know about the audience, so thanks for the information. Anyway that doesn't change much. As I said in a previous comment, the problem here is that the issue is never adressed, as if it wasn't important at all. If I was stuck in this kind of situation, that would be one of my first concern. When you see that not even one character talk about it, you're wondering if the writers have even thought about this food problem, which is why you have so many people creating those threads. At any moment, a character could have made a comment on how he wants so bad to come back to the real world so he can relieve his family who has to take care of him.
 
09-27-12, 11:34 AM

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You can't say never for an ongoing work. The work might not have directly addressed you concerns yet but it could still happen(and it has been covered(later) in the novel and many people do know things you do not). Read a wiki or find some scans of the novel. The plot holes this topic claims to exists are covered. Use some patience and let the story fill in the blanks at it's own pace.
What you'd do in that situation isn't important as this isn't a story your writing and there are millions of ways one could react in this situation, what you would do would only matter if a character in this story was based off of you.

The food problem isn't a problem as clearly after two+ years in the game the players have not died from starvation. This little piece of evidence provides enough information for a reader/viewer to form logical conclusions about why that is. Not having the reason completely spelled out to you isn't a plot hole as it is fairly obvious on how those people are being maintained in real life.

It's been 2+ years of trying to beat the game in order to make it back to real life. That sort of moaning and groaning would probably done by people in Beginner Town and the ones that aren't actively on the front lines. The story focuses more on the sort of people that accepted the rules given and are focusing on the task at hand so much that whining about things out of their control is just being a drama queen at this point.
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09-27-12, 11:35 AM

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There seem to be a lot of people who aren't distinguishing plot holes from omission of facts. Despite it being obvious, the story never attempts to explain nor does it introduce how the players' bodies are being nourished. In order for it to be a hole, the plot would have to advance from A to C without a B. (I know that's oversimplified.) But truth being told, how they are being nourished is pretty much irrelevant to the plot. There are lots of things we don't know that simply do not matter. For example, we don't know what happens to the game in cases of power outages. We can assume servers and whatnot are on UPSs and other forms of backups. I don't know Kirito's parents' names or what they do for a living either. But that's not really relevant, now is it?

The only relevant things are what's happening in the game since the game's release. In the anime, the story is being told in first person narrative. There is no third person narrator. I don't know how it is explained in the novel, but unless someone attempts to theorize why they are still alive in the real world then voice his or her theory to some other character in a discussion or to himself in a monologue. There is no good way to explain it in first person. Maybe during the game creator's dialogue but that's about it. And it would be kind of odd for him to mention that especially that early. It's in first person, the characters don't know, so... nor does the audience... nor should we.

And it's not important.
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09-27-12, 1:54 PM

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unless ive missed something, which i dont think i have, the whole plot of this show is just one massive hole.


Well...yes.
 
09-27-12, 2:12 PM

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You can't say never for an ongoing work. The work might not have directly addressed you concerns yet but it could still happen(and it has been covered(later) in the novel and many people do know things you do not). Read a wiki or find some scans of the novel. The plot holes this topic claims to exists are covered. Use some patience and let the story fill in the blanks at it's own pace.
What you'd do in that situation isn't important as this isn't a story your writing and there are millions of ways one could react in this situation, what you would do would only matter if a character in this story was based off of you.

The food problem isn't a problem as clearly after two+ years in the game the players have not died from starvation. This little piece of evidence provides enough information for a reader/viewer to form logical conclusions about why that is. Not having the reason completely spelled out to you isn't a plot hole as it is fairly obvious on how those people are being maintained in real life.

It's been 2+ years of trying to beat the game in order to make it back to real life. That sort of moaning and groaning would probably done by people in Beginner Town and the ones that aren't actively on the front lines. The story focuses more on the sort of people that accepted the rules given and are focusing on the task at hand so much that whining about things out of their control is just being a drama queen at this point.


Wow, first time ever, I've seen a good post coming from you.
 
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