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| I don't even know what to say. I mean, Eureka having a second child? A girl, who is his sis. The whole way it was managed in the episode makes it feel like Naru is the sister. However it pissed me off how her behavior changed, she even denied Eureka's wishes (what a bitch!). So I guess that Eureka is from the future then, since Naru explained pretty much what will happen in Eureka Seven. It feels like Steins;Gate all over with the time travel and the fighting. Since Eureka also mentioned that Renton is fighting, probably means there is a war, but how will that tie with the past that Ao is living in? So many mysteries, I look forward to seeing how it all ends! |
| Its starting to feel like Naru really has something to do with the how the corallians came to thrive on earth (in their own sence of the word) Maybe the corallian inside of her (or how should I say it) is the purpose to her being able to pilot the nirvash, perhaps she is a very distent ancestor to Renton, and the specific genes of hers are the key. |
| Naru pisses me off rofl. Always had, always will. Renton looks pretty cool in the New Op and nice song by Flow once again. Hard time grasping everything though.. |
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| We uncover mysteries just to get more! Awesome! -.-.....No not really..... Kinda lame to be honest....but whatever.... I liked Naru in the beginning, but now i just want to smack her across the face. I don't care what Truth is, he deserves to be given the worst form of punishment. Also, I'm guessing they took the parts off of theEnd and put it on the Nirvash.....I can't say that it's not a little disturbing, because honestly with it now the Nirvash seems to be more sinister with theEnd's weapons. This episode was ok....but I'd rather not have them make more loose ends after we've covered a few. |
Ahri said: We uncover mysteries just to get more! Awesome! -.-.....No not really..... Kinda lame to be honest....but whatever.... I liked Naru in the beginning, but now i just want to smack her across the face. I don't care what Truth is, he deserves to be given the worst form of punishment. Also, I'm guessing they took the parts off of theEnd and put it on the Nirvash.....I can't say that it's not a little disturbing, because honestly with it now the Nirvash seems to be more sinister with theEnd's weapons. This episode was ok....but I'd rather not have them make more loose ends after we've covered a few. They can throw a million more loose ends at me; I don't mind. I only care that, in the end, they're answered. If not, then let the question posed have some sort of rhetorical nature. Anyways, great episode -- while some questions were answered, we certainly got some more to chew on (delicious ones, as usual). Perhaps what I find most interesting is the "black" Mark V seen in the new OP -- it seems they're somehow going to implement the movie's multiverse into the fray, along with the original and AO's own respective worlds. This is... ambitious, to say the least. We could get something incredibly awesome from this. Conversely, however, there's that many more opportunities for the series to fail - the story's getting incredibly complex with all the interweaving timelines and dimensional mindfuckery; it's going to take some masterful storytelling to neatly wrap it all up in the end (especially if it ends up being 25/26 episodes). Greatly looking forward to next Thursday, as always. |
nebuchadrezzar said: So... secrets are protecting this world... omg I was right after all ^^. Is Elena truly AO's sister? Can't wait to see more! Now the most interesting thing in this episode was the opening. Not because of "FLOW" (nice song anyway), but: 1. Renton got fancy gloves... and his hair... a wisp appears to be...gray? ( how old is he? 40+ ??) 2. New 3 IFO's ... 3. Dark Nirvash spec 4 ??? 4. Nirvash mk.1 vs Nirvash typeZero (for the rest of the series?) 1. A gray-streak can be caused by moments of intense stress (see: Berserk's Guts, or Evil Dead's Ash for fictional references). 2. The 3 IFOs seen in space, in the OP, I believe is team Harlequin's IFOs. 3. Seems to be Spec V from the movie. 4. Probably. Also: We don't actually yet know if Secrets are protecting this world; the ones giving this information don't exactly seem to be the honest type, especially when broadcasting to their enemies. Another thing to note, is that Eureka and Renton's world seems to be in conflict with the Secrets; perhaps they're the extraterrestrial third-party between Coralians and humans? |
DangerrJul 19, 2012 11:51 PM
| Still think that Elena Peoples is related to Anemone and Dominic. She has to be somehow, for her to have such a deep-seated grudge towards Eureka. I'm guessing that something happened between the 'families', causing the war that they are talking about. ... Also - where did the Nirvash come from when Naru got into it? Could someone explain that to me? I don't quite get what happened in that 30 seconds or so - considering the Nirvash got extremely damaged, and ended up taking Eureka back to her time, correct? |
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
BRSxIgnition said: Still think that Elena Peoples is related to Anemone and Dominic. She has to be somehow, for her to have such a deep-seated grudge towards Eureka. I'm guessing that something happened between the 'families', causing the war that they are talking about. ... Also - where did the Nirvash come from when Naru got into it? Could someone explain that to me? I don't quite get what happened in that 30 seconds or so - considering the Nirvash got extremely damaged, and ended up taking Eureka back to her time, correct? The Nirvash Naru got into was the one that crashed into the ocean with Trurth earlier in the episode (the same one that ejected Eureka against her will). It's unclear how it repaired itself of the damage Truth caused it. Anyways, the extremely damaged Nirvash that grasped Eureka before disappearing into the scub burst was the Mark I (not the typeZERO); Renton was likely piloting it. As for why it was so damaged, what Eureka said while giving birth to Ao, about Renton, probably explains it, to some extent. |
BRSxIgnition said: Still think that Elena Peoples is related to Anemone and Dominic. She has to be somehow, for her to have such a deep-seated grudge towards Eureka. I'm guessing that something happened between the 'families', causing the war that they are talking about. ... Also - where did the Nirvash come from when Naru got into it? Could someone explain that to me? I don't quite get what happened in that 30 seconds or so - considering the Nirvash got extremely damaged, and ended up taking Eureka back to her time, correct? If anything is certain so far.....It's that with this series they're really playing with our heads enough....x_X. No shortage on that end. |
Dangerr said: BRSxIgnition said: Still think that Elena Peoples is related to Anemone and Dominic. She has to be somehow, for her to have such a deep-seated grudge towards Eureka. I'm guessing that something happened between the 'families', causing the war that they are talking about. ... Also - where did the Nirvash come from when Naru got into it? Could someone explain that to me? I don't quite get what happened in that 30 seconds or so - considering the Nirvash got extremely damaged, and ended up taking Eureka back to her time, correct? The Nirvash Naru got into was the one that crashed into the ocean with Trurth earlier in the episode (the same one that ejected Eureka against her will). It's unclear how it repaired itself of the damage Truth caused it. Anyways, the extremely damaged Nirvash that grasped Eureka before disappearing into the scub burst was the Mark I (not the typeZERO); Renton was likely piloting it. As for why it was so damaged, what Eureka said while giving birth to Ao, about Renton, probably explains it, to some extent. I see - so the one that crashed into the sea wasn't the one that appeared out of the pillar of light? That would make more sense - if that damaged Nirvash was one from the time Eureka needed to back to. Still, I wonder how Truth managed to not only stop the Nirvash that was attacking him, but also move and repair it, for Naru to use a few hours later when fleeing from the hospital. Also - is Naru now confirmed to be a Coralian? Is she something different? Those 'horns' on her head also look like they make be similar to the 'headphones' Eureka is wearing a lot of the time. |
| "Evidently... There's no such thing as 'meaning' in this world. But that in itself is wonderful... isn't it? Since if there isn't a set meaning, then you can just find one on your own." - Filicia Heideman, So Ra No Wo To |
| Damn what a twist. |
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| OK for Renton in the opening. All i can say is, im gonna lmao if its one of those moments where ppl look good from the back but then not as much from the front. Theories ( i could be COMPLETELY OFF BTW and maybe get schooled but here i go) could it be that Eureka is controlling the secrets and trying to stop humans from destryoing the scub coral and Thruth is actually the good guy? and really this is a huge misunderstanding??? That Nirvash that grabed Eureka the the pillar of light could be the one that Renton was working on and was piloting it Could Eureka be the bad guy or is Ao misunderstanding the situation I forgot about 2 or 3. Feel free to respond and school me! cuz i could be way off |
FreeK200 said: So, Ao is growing breasts... Anyways, I wouldn't doubt that Elena is Ao's older sister. It's been confirmed that she's older, and we've seen several shots of Elena People's tanning... Lmao xD i dont even want to get into that. . . |
| Such an eventful episode. Tbh, Ao rubbed me the wrong way as well, when he offered to protect Naru. It seems slightly condescending though exusable and Naru obviously wanted to stand on equal grounds with Ao and not to get looked after by him. |
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FreeK200 said: So, Ao is growing breasts... Anyways, I wouldn't doubt that Elena is Ao's older sister. It's been confirmed that she's older, and we've seen several shots of Elena People's tanning... I would agree with the tanning thing, but in episode 11 when they show Elena younger she is still way darker than Eureka. http://animetide.blogspot.com/2012/07/eureka-seven-ao-episode-11.html?m=1 Just thinking. Sense her skin is darker. Maybe she is the kid of Moondoggie and Gidget? |
| Naru: Ao, I wanted to fly together with you, not embraced by you. Go Naru, fight for the feminist movement! Jokes aside, the episode was the culmination of epic side character development. Nakamura changes from the naive and death-fearing soldier to a master manipulator. The people of Okanawa redeem themselves by blindly throwing themselves at Nakamura to stop the shooting of Ao. Ivica never provokes others into retaliating against the Japanese, just slams his fists into the desk when he hears about the capture of Ao. The president, Blanc , remains nonchalant as he always is. The side characters make E7 Ao enjoyable for me. As for the main characters, Ao, Elena, Naru and Truth, they have gone beyond my comprehension. Naru has a dream of Ao sleeping inside a Scub Coral, while we are given explicit proof that Ao is Eureka's child. Naru claims to understand Truth, almost as if she transcended Truth's truth and Eureka's truth. Elena flips out. Truth is flabbergasted in seeing Eureka's Nirvash try to kill him. Ao is probably the most normal of the four. He is just plainly confused by the other three freaks. It's a mystery and like any mystery, we, the audience, is left confused. |
| Argggg my brain hurts from mass confusionssss. But a few things that I think will be critical to answering over the coming weeks: 1. The war: It appears (emphasis) that there are certain camps forming. (a) The Secrets (apparently allies with humans) v Nirvashes (revealed by the Japanese) (b) Truth + Naru (for the Scub Coral) v Future Eureka (against the Scub Coral in the past - which is odd, seeing as she is Coralian - why go against her own???) (c) Humans/IFOs/Nirvash v Scub Coral (this one has been going since ep1) 2. Truth: As Elena put it, what the hell is he? - He appears to have Scub Coral within him (admitted it in earlier ep), yet he also can form himself as part Secret (unlike Naru) - He likes Naru; dislikes Eureka; meh about Ao; meh about humanity in general; confused by Nirvash - Named after the book by Johanssen, as shown by Nakamura (who then DOESNT LET US in on the damn knowledge - selfish bastard :P) 3. Mutli-time dimensions - Broadly, there is the past world (Astral Ocean setting) and future world (E7 setting) - However, as we've seen, there's several different sub-categories of the future world intercepting the past world at different times - Scub Coral (Coralians) appear to be doing it on purpose, and control the time jumps (bringing the Secrets with them???) - But also, in this ep, there was the Mk1 in the time-thingy (bright light) which was either half broken - OR half-built, as Renton was building one. Its the same make as Ao's now. But again, my key question, is WHY does Eureka want Ao to destroy the Scub Coral, when essentially, Ao, Eureka and mystery-sis come from them and the Coralians??? |
| elena is almost confirmed as a humanoid-coralian truth might be a humanoid-coralian too naru is mutating to be a humanoid-coralian elena and truth and naru hates eureka, wtf why? looks like the scub corals are misunderstood as enemies here but the secrets are also not the enemies as said by eureka on last episode so i guess the secrets are part of scub corals (coralians) too seems like eureka and renton are hated by coralians/secrets for some unknown reason/s and that renton is currently fighting somewhere |
| This is really messing up with my head. |
Apologies, I just can't avoid to rant. |
| That Op was EPIC and Renton looks completely BA Even though there r a question of mysteries and questions this is definitely getting way better the how it started |
Barion-ZaraJul 20, 2012 3:56 AM
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| Isn't Truth a humanoid Secret? They're showing the same Secret Eureka defeated in the past in the OP while they're showing Truth and that would explain why he hates Eureka. Also, I don't think Eureka meant that he wants Naru to help Ao destroy the Scub Coral. It felt more like she was asking Naru to stop him, thus saving him. |
All i'm interested in is figuring out wtf happened to this nirvash and where it came from  Also I wonder why there weren't any secrets in the original series if they are still on the same earth |
Momoko11 said: I would agree with the tanning thing, but in episode 11 when they show Elena younger she is still way darker than Eureka. http://animetide.blogspot.com/2012/07/eureka-seven-ao-episode-11.html?m=1 Just thinking. Sense her skin is darker. Maybe she is the kid of Moondoggie and Gidget? I never thought of that, that's a good possibility as she does look quite like Gidget but I think the story would be a lot more exciting if it was Dominic & Anemone's child :P |
| I didn't like the first opening and same goes for second. But finally we can see Renton in opening. He looks like a mad scientist... and the rest  |
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s2012k1993 said: Naru: Ao, I wanted to fly together with you, not embraced by you. Go Naru, fight for the feminist movement! Jokes aside, the episode was the culmination of epic side character development. Nakamura changes from the naive and death-fearing soldier to a master manipulator. The people of Okanawa redeem themselves by blindly throwing themselves at Nakamura to stop the shooting of Ao. Ivica never provokes others into retaliating against the Japanese, just slams his fists into the desk when he hears about the capture of Ao. The president, Blanc , remains nonchalant as he always is. The side characters make E7 Ao enjoyable for me. As for the main characters, Ao, Elena, Naru and Truth, they have gone beyond my comprehension. Naru has a dream of Ao sleeping inside a Scub Coral, while we are given explicit proof that Ao is Eureka's child. Naru claims to understand Truth, almost as if she transcended Truth's truth and Eureka's truth. Elena flips out. Truth is flabbergasted in seeing Eureka's Nirvash try to kill him. Ao is probably the most normal of the four. He is just plainly confused by the other three freaks. It's a mystery and like any mystery, we, the audience, is left confused. I think Gazelle despite not having much screen time this episode was also handled well. It added some depth to the character as he was willing to let go of Eureka with at least physically not much protest (from previous episodes Gazelle has shown that he's not discreet with his emotions so I think it's safe to assume if he seems at peace physically mentally is likewise). He realised that following his objective of seeing the truth with his own eyes was at the expense of Ao and possibly others in the future so he let Ao have his way. In other words his objective doesn't define his character rather his character is refined by it. In addition this episode was also consistent with Gazelle's perhaps subtle trait of being sensitive to the feelings of others. I was certain that it was Eureka not Ao in the scub coral as the figure seems to have been an adolescent sized body and seems feminine i.e. the eyelashes or choice of posture and it has turquoise hair (Ao didn't have any till he first piloted the Mark 1) . I think it's Eureka as it could possibly explain the connection between Naru and Eureka as it appears that Naru had a hand in creating Eureka. Naru I think is consistent with the opinion I had of her when she said earlier in the series that Ao was useless without her. I'm not saying that Ao is useless but that Naru character embodies some mature or perhaps motherly traits. For example when Ao left Okinawa she said something along lines of "this is all I can do for you." Furthermore in episode 14 I got the impression from the scene with the two on top of the hospital that Naru is the more settled and wise of the two. She was also consistent in that she's generally reserved even when crying. As for thinking that she knows what truth is, I see it as showing the conceited part of her character as given what she saw most people could up with decent a hypothesis as to what truth is. Though I think I understand where you're coming from she does appear to have reached "enlightenment" and her stoic countenance and monotone voice definitely helps. However I think she appears so thanks to the combination of being reserved and having access to valuable information. On side note what does everyone think of the religious symbolism (if you think it exists) with Naru like her change in clothing or her posture when calling the coral (was it?). I have a couple ideas about Elena but she really is a mystery. Though I like how they focused on the reactions of each of the characters and groups to the plan for Eureka's departure it made for me Ao's sacrifice more poignant. I'm not sure about Truth but I did enjoy to see him struggling for a change it makes him more palatable. |
terribadJul 20, 2012 4:27 AM
bastek66 said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- New OP by Flow at last. Renton will be back Wow looks like Renton is grown up can't wait to see him Anyway it's already14 episode and I still don't really have a clue with what's going on with the story,and what's up with Naru she grew a horn or something and why the hell is she still with that guy !? |
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| After comparing the two OP's and ED's, I am really getting an impression that Naru's role was completely changed from lead's love interest into a villain(ous sister). Anyone else feel like that? Rayizrambo said: Honestly, they are making Naru out to be the bad guy with her actions. But this makes it all the more reason to think that shes actually a good guy because they might be trying draw you away from her being good for a future twist~ Ao should've went with her. Also, why do you think despite Ao's rebelliance toward Truth he would still allow Ao to join him. [If he joins Naru, then he's basically teaming up with Truth to.] I honestly can't imagine Naru and Ao joining up. Ao is protective of humans while Naru doesn't seem to give much shit about humans being slaughtered... and will no doubt increase the death count. Her opposition to Eureka also doesn't paint her into protagonist colors either. I am not saying her goal will necessarily be bad, but somehow I think her methods will be too radical for Ao to accept. |
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| Eureka said something about the risk of being pregnant in an environment with high trapar concentration, may sound stupid but what if it caused a gender change? To be honest, the older sister came out of nowhere although it seems possible that either Elena or Naru could be Ao's sister and it looks like the grandpa knows something about it. Naru is a bitch, Ao knows shit about what's going on and and she wants him to decide while he can't grasp the situation. triforcebih said: AdolChristin said: did we watch the same episode ?How do Truth and Naru have the typeZero now? Didn't Truth started destroying it while falling, and didn't it go back with Eureka in its half-destroyed form? and also lol at people who cant make out the difference between MK I and Zero It's a legitimate question, smartass. |
| so many thing comes in this episode! begin to love this anime!! :) |
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| Naru must die >.> Ao X Fleur !! |
| OMG THAT'S RENTON RIGHT? He looks amazing in the OP! Just what Naru, Truth and Elena are? And give me back the previous ED. |
KuriniJul 20, 2012 6:49 AM
| I don't think the secrets are the "natural defense mechanism" as the one so claims to be. The secret that they conveniently "captured" looked a lot like Truth's secret form Eureka destroyed years before the series began. So who's to say that Truth isn't controlling what the head is saying so that way he has an excuse for the nations to fight Generation Bleu and make them out to look like enemies. As Generation Bleu and Eureka are the only threats to Truth worth considering. As for Naru, i think she has disdain for Eureka because of something that we haven't been shown yet. In example, if Eureka wanted to leave this timeline and take Ao with her after dealing with everything. Naru could hold ill will towards Eureka for that. It's just a thought though.....There could be a number of reasons as to why. |
the_trainman said: s2012k1993 said: Naru has a dream of Ao sleeping inside a Scub Coral, while we are given explicit proof that Ao is Eureka's child. I think that was Eureka in the Scub Coral, that was her 'birth' scene from the original series, again I *think*. It is Eureka, since it was a female body. |
| Lol. I think its obvious BONES want us to hate Naru now. I mean, swiping at the hologram of Eureka is like punching a puppy in the mouth. PUPPY MURDERER NARU!?!?! Sorry, got a bit carried away there :P |
| At first I was thinking that Naru was supposed to be the love interest but seems now she might turn out to be Ao's sister. Tbh I dont want her to be the love interest anymore starting to dislike Naru a lot. Actually there hasn't been much romance in this like E7 did. I think that the broken down Nirvash was being piloted by Renton. Eureka did say Renton is out there fighting. So maybe this is the damage that has been done whilst he was fighting. Kinda makes you wonder what the hell he was fighting to cause that much damage. Didn't like the way Naru swiped Eureka off the screen. Perhaps Naru dislikes like Eureka because she was abandoned just like how Ao felt about Renton because he thought Renton abandoned Eureka. Awesome episode though still confusing. |
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