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07-12-12, 11:58 PM
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Let me get this straight. You want to change the search filter when searching a series so that it only counts scores by users to have a show set to completed?
 
07-13-12, 12:13 AM

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Kineta said:
Let me get this straight. You want to change the search filter when searching a series so that it only counts scores by users to have a show set to completed?


not that i really wish to get involved in this(considering i don't even rate) from my understanding i think what is being asked in more normal terms is having a limit on the amount of episodes lets say watched before the site even allows you to put a review through for the series...just think what was being talked about became a bit of a mess...but thats just me lol...that is of course unless the entire idea changed at some point for real then i think you would be correct
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07-13-12, 12:26 AM

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Kineta said:
Let me get this straight. You want to change the search filter when searching a series so that it only counts scores by users to have a show set to completed?


That's almost exactly what I was taking about, however the way you say it is sort of condescending...

I'm not saying you need to change the filter, I'm saying that there should be a new filter setting that only includes reviews and ratings by people who have watched the whole series.

For example, you are currently able to edit things such as what type of show it is (TV, OVA, Movie, Special, ect.) in the advanced search parameters. Adding the search filter that I am referring to would add another option to that area which would make the search only take into account the ratings of people who have watched/read all of the anime/manga.

If someone would be happier without the filter, then they don't need to turn it on.
Some parts of this post may be exaggerated.
 
07-13-12, 1:51 AM
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I wanted to be clear and concise because you're talking about something different than everything else that has been suggested.

It's not "just" a filter you're talking about. You're talking about a lot of new code so that the site would only count scores you figure are important, only display that score, go through all the reviews and see if the user has completed the series, and then selectively choose which you are going to see.

This is not worth the code and resources. We've just overcome CRON issues we had with the anime/manga stats recently and I don't see a reason to add/change things for this purpose.

People should not be able to review/recommend/rate series that are not currently airing/publishing. That is considered a bug and will be fixed at some time.

Scores are not "perfect" and never will be. There will be people who give out 10s to everything they like, people who give out 1s to everything they don't, people who score after one episode - to keep track of how they like a series or to show which shows of the currently airing series they like the best - and people who will never score. All of these basically get averaged out anyway when you're considering a userbase of our size. I doubt the scores would really change all that much.

As for reviews. 1 episode reviews are not a new subject, and setting a minimum limit of watched episodes has been discussed many times before in the past. Assuming we can get through all the lost functionality and other bugs on the site, we may look at doing something there. But this has been discussed before so there's no need for all of you to re-discuss it. The other mods that have posted in this thread are correct. We have many more things of much higher priority.

One of the reasons it is not of higher priority is because you can, of your own power, ignore these reviews. There is a spot where people put how many episodes they have seen. If you think they haven't seen enough, then vote the review unhelpful and/or don't read it. That's the reason that option is there. Then it will get bumped down and only helpful reviews will be visible on the page.

If you can't stand to do that, then there was a script running around a while back that completely removed recommendations and reviews from the anime pages. Go and download that and then you won't need to ignore.

People have become upset with you in this thread because you throw around sentences like "this is simple" and "if you can't even expect him to do this". You just started using this site; you do not know its history nor how things work here. While we are happy for you to make suggestions and voice your opinion, you don't need to be condescending either when you have no knowledge of our situation.

tl;dr: Your "filter" will not be implemented in that form.
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07-13-12, 2:21 AM

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Kineta said:
I wanted to be clear and concise because you're talking about something different than everything else that has been suggested.

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tl;dr: Your "filter" will not be implemented in that form.


I may be new to the site, but that doesn't mean I don't know how things like this work. I have already stated that I understand the filter idea is rather low priority, but people keep on insisting that I forget about it entirely.

Also, I don't think you are correctly understanding what I am trying to say. I'm not saying that the filter should remove specific things from view simply because I am unable to "ignore" them. I'm saying that it should be a search filter that ignores any ratings made by people who haven't watched all episodes yet. Since the server already keeps track of how many episodes you have watched (that is actually a major part of this website), no extra code would need to be made to keep track of that. Since I'm going to assume that the server already handles the calculations of the average scores as well, it really shouldn't be very hard at all.

Since I don't know what type of language the server-side scripts use and I don't think most people would understand it anyways, I'll just explain it like this:

- If the filter is on, check only for ratings by people with the same amount of episodes watched as the amount of episodes available.
- Calculate the average of these scores as normal.
- Display results.

All it would be doing is giving a slightly different score in searches if it is set to on. It wouldn't be some customizable option or a total overhaul of the search system. It wouldn't fix the rating system. It's simply just a basic work-around that works like all the other filters do, by giving you customized search results. It would help when using the search feature because if you sort them by score, because you would be seeing them ordered based on the scores of people that actually finished the series.

Sure, it wouldn't fix the problem totally, but it would be a decent and welcome work-around until(if) it gets sorted out officially.

I'm not trying to demand attention and/or priority for this, I am just trying to make a serious suggestion, but I have only been met with skepticism and condescension. I don't even really care if it doesn't get implemented, I just want it to be taken with serious consideration.

I must apologize for my part as after reviewing all of my previous messages, I can easily understand how someone could perceive what I was saying in a totally different and unintentional manner.

Now, I could be completely wrong and for whatever reason it would be extremely impractical to try and make, but considering the fact that I can make a similar system in other programming languages in as little as 3 lines of code, I doubt it would be much harder for this website.
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07-13-12, 2:41 AM
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The "three lines of code" you're talking about are doing the score calculation every time a request is sent, which already says you don't really understand what it is you're talking about. So yes, you are wrong, and do not understand what your proposed changes would entail. I don't have a full understanding as I do not know the code nor have I ever coded a site of this size, but it seems I certainly have a better idea than you. So please trust me when I say,
This is not worth the code and resources.
(Note: time is included in "resources".)

Let's leave it at that.
 
07-14-12, 1:46 AM

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I find the rating system a bit bias. Whenever there's an ecchi or harem anime, females generally give an automatically 5-7 . In contrast, shows like Hyouka gets an auto 9 or 10 ( most likely cause they enjoyed previous works from KyoAni) after one ep.
 
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