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Yeah, that's what I figured, but some animes have more than 12 but less than 24 episodes.

For example: http://myanimelist.net/anime/880/Ah!_My_Goddess:_Sorezore_no_Tsubasa

Now that I think about it though, it would be pretty pointless to make options for less than 24 episodes in the first place.

EDIT: Also, there are those mega-animes with hundreds of episodes like Naruto and such. Just 24 episodes out of hundreds wouldn't be enough to judge the series as a whole, and it would be unreasonable to expect that most would review it only after they finished the entire anime.

If all else fails I hope they can, at the very least, implement the "All episodes watched" and even the "24 episodes watched" ideas.

The ones between 12 and 24 would be covered by the completed category, but I understand what you're saying with the extremely long run ones. I think those are few enough that no one would really complain, though.

Funny that you used Ah! My Goddess as an example, been meaning to add that to my PTW.

The only coder MAL has right now is Xinil. I feel like I need to say this every time someone says something like "the staff" because it's just one guy.

Improving reviews would be nice, but I'd like to see things that are actually broken fixed first.

Debbie Downer post is Debbie Downer.

All we were talking about is adding a new type of filter to searches...

I don't know why you would oppose that.

Where did I say I opposed it?

I took that as opposition.

It's realism. I'd love to see MAL improve, but after you've been around for as long as I have, (as much as saying that makes me gag) you lower your expectations. And yes, things have been happening very recently, but we still have a long way to go.

I'm not trying to discourage discussion or ideas for improvement. All I'm saying is that we don't have a team of people ready to implement people's suggestions. We have one person trying to fix broken things.

I understand what you are saying, and it isn't a good idea to have one person doing everything, but it's also not a good idea to dismiss new ideas based on one persons low expectations either.

Whether he gets around to it or not, it never hurts to suggest new ideas.

As the resident negative Nancy I can assure you that number of people with low expectations far exceeds just one.

I think she was saying that even if the wanted to implement something, having only one person who can do it means you have to prioritize. And fixing already broken things takes priority over rehauling the rating system.

As a software/website programmer, I can understand that easily. I'm a bit new here (I've known about the site for a few years but only recently started getting into anime), but surely there can't be that many things broken, right? And once the broken things have been fixed, I highly doubt that they randomly break again in the future.

Also, adding a filter shouldn't really be that hard to implement. It just strikes me as odd that so many people would have low expectations for such a simple suggestion.

It's because we care about real functionality and fixing long broken things, not just something you can easily ignore or scroll past or vote down.


You need to lurk here more before saying this stuff. We can't just add coders--a company owns and controls this site and particularly its code. As broken as it can be, it's still Crave's property.

Also, this is retarded when it comes to manga as someone mentioned earlier. Since they were ignored, it apparently needs to be pointed out again. Functionality of the anime db is linked to the manga db on this site. Unlike anime, there's hundreds upon hundreds of series that are ongoing for years. Sometimes more than a decade. We should cripple this just because someone is incapable of ignoring idiots that review the first episode? A filter needs to do this for you?

This isn't happening anytime soon if ever, just saying. This topic, along with hijacking decimal guy, comes up very often and is a waste of energy, so I'm done now. Once/if the forum search is fixed (see? higher priority), you can easily search out those topics and more discussion on why the answer is "no."

Ah, well there you have it. Being realistic is a good thing, haha.

Seriously? It's a FILTER. A FILTER. It's not even a new feature, it's just an additional *FILTER*. If none of you are able to expect the coder of this website to be able to make a simple filter, then why expect him to be able to fix anything at all? I'm seriously never going to suggest anything again if this community's standards are really so low that a filter option is considered too much to handle.

We expect him to fix things that *matter*, not your stupid, pointless filter. But you ignored all those other issues anyway, so see ya~

Adding a new filter might not be that important, but it isn't "stupid" or "pointless" either. I'll be sure to remember that it's common for things to be dismissed through personal bias the next time I bother posting, because that's the way it appears to work around here.

I think to many people take the ratings way to seriously. I do think setting up a way so someone can't rate/review a show or manga before it comes out is a good idea.

Waiting to rate a show after watching all of it is only something I have seen in anime fandom. Maybe it is because we are so used to power watching box sets or streams but most other TV show randoms I've seen actually rate each episode or maybe a story arch at a time.

If I watched 3 episodes of a 26 episode series and I thought it was the worst series I've even seen. Based on those 3 episodes I feel it is fair to rate it terribly.

Also, the whole show concept as mentioned before really breaks down with long running shows like Naurto, Bleach, and One Piece. Then it falls even further apart with manga. There are a lot of manga titles that have been running even longer. I bet there are manga titles that have been running longer then most of the people posting this thread have been alive. Lets see: One Piece - 1997 - 15 years | Berserk - 1990 - 22 years | Glass Mask - 1976 - 36 years. These are all still ongoing titles!

So, yeah, no. The ratings system isn't some sort of gathering of empirical scientific data it is a collection of users personal feelings on a show.

Yes, ratings are based upon personal opinions, however they also help represent the general opinion about whatever it is that is being rated. Very low ratings are usually a red flag that the anime is probably of poor quality and most likely is not worth the time to watch it, while in contrast very high ratings are usually a sign that the anime is of good quality, but you will still need to watch it yourself to determine if you like it or not.

As a completely hypothetical example, it isn't good if someone who only watched 10 episodes of something gets their rating treated the same way that someone who has watched 30l episodes would.

Ratings should never be used to make your own personal opinions of something, though. They exist only to represent the opinion of something as a whole, therefore there will always be exceptions where you may not enjoy a highly rated show as much as one that had a very low score. Lovely Complex, for example, has really high ratings all across the board. I took that as a sign that it had a high potential for being good, but I ended up dropping it half-way through the first episode because I simply could not watch it with the animation style it has.

If I then reviewed that anime after only watching half of the first episode, would you take me as seriously as if my review was made AFTER watching every episode? Probably not, because the majority of the time someone drops something very early, it is due to a personal opinion of the show.

If someone dropped an anime and rated it "1" after discovering that it had echii in it, based solely on the fact that it had echii, should his rating be considered a fair opinion of the show as a whole? Most certainly not, as the anime could have many other redeeming qualities besides echii.

To summarize what I'm trying to say, whenever you are searching for highly-rated animes/manga, would you rather have those ratings be skewed by biased ratings from people who didn't watch it all the way through? I know I most certainly would not, and it really isn't hard at all to add an optional filter to searches that only count ratings from people who have seen the entire thing. Also, there's no reason that the same filter would be unable to work with manga either.

But that's exactly what ratings are. An opinion. And whose opinion would it be other than one's own?

>opinion
Yes.
People are free to use the rating system however they wish. Something like that is absolutely not going to be changed.

That's not what I was getting at. What I meant by that is you should not make your own personal opinion of something based upon the opinions of others.



Yes, and they should remain free to use it as they wish. People should also be able to use the search feature as they wish, which is exactly why filters exist in the first place. People should be able to rate things however they want and whenever they want, and people should also be able to search things however they want and whenever they want. If someone doesn't want to bother with ratings/reviews made by people who have only seen 1/24 (equivalent of 4%) of a show, they shouldn't have to.