Time for a re-watch?

King_jpem_II said:


Eh Arrancar is probably the most painful shounen arc i've watched. Doing some episodes then switching to filler then some more then back to filler for pretty much the entire arc was grueling. At least for the most part the other 2 keeps the filler in between arcs from what i remember.

-Shuda- said:
I'd say One Piece still did a better job with it's anime overall. It all comes down to personal preference in the end though. I like Bleach more and have it on my favourites, yet I can outright admit OP is the superior-done anime and has more variety of impacting OST, (they freaking played Mozart in the Luffy VS Crocodile lol). Not to say Bleach doesn't have it's share of amazing soundtracks, I just feel OP had more. Both are unique in their own way though, one takes place on the seas/islands/travel/powers/DF, while the other in a town/school/spirit world/swords/Zanpakuto setting.

Candor said:
As I said 'excluding the the range between 110 & 167', they were horrible for me too (when I re-watched them), that's probably because it was getting close to the manga, but I've never suffered from pace/artwork problems in any other arc. Naruto has mainly its re-caps/Flashbacks problem, that's getting too annoying, not to mention the bad animation at some points, do I even need to talk about it ? One Piece had also the worst pace I've ever seen in any anime, and the animation was at its worst at some of the best moments, for example *Spoiler*the goodbye-(their ship) arc*Spoiler*, it's not that I didn't enjoy it though. Bleach between ep.190 and 366 had great animation and pace (pace was also great in the first 63 episodes), I don't remember facing any bad-artwork or bad-pace problems. Anyway I'm talking about re-watching here and the re-watch value, although I've enjoyed (to some point) One Piece and Naruto I'd never re-watch them, maybe I'd read the manga but not re-watch the anime. But well if you didn't enjoy Bleach (or any other show) the first time you probably wouldn't want to re-watch it.

IntroverTurtle said:


I have rewatched Bleach two times, one time like a week before the last episode. But those fillers, i checked on the wikia and around 157 episodes are fillers that is almost half of the anime, that's not good pacing.
And you do realize those filler episodes that you say are horrible are part of the pacing. 157 filler episodes in like 5 big filler arcs that take place inside of another arc( also the fact that the bount arc is basically a copy of yu yu hakusho's second arc tailored to fit bleach). Did you watch it as it was airing? Whenever it started to get good they would take a filler break for like 6 months. One piece on the other hand has around 80 filler episodes which is about half of bleach's even though it's has 190 episodes more and it puts only like maybe 10 filler episodes max at the end of each arc usually only like 3 episodes, so who really has pacing issues?
And Bleach does have good artwork, but I don't really find OP artwork ever lacking, or not ever enough to affect my watching experience. I believe that the first 63 episodes were probably the best of the anime, The music is great i still listen to it, The characters were pretty good except everybody in the main group besides kurosaki was weak. It is a good show I will probably watch it again and am hoping that one day they might continue, but really what was up with everybody losing their powers multiple times.

Candor said:
At least when you want to re-watch Bleach you won't have to watch 500 episodes. 157 filler episodes that means there's about 209 canon episodes, for me 209 well-paced canon episodes are better than 555 dragged out episodes. I started Bleach when the Zanpakuto arc was airing, so I haven't really suffered much while watching it, but by re-watching I could say the Bount, half of the episodes between 110 & 167, the artwork of the Amagami Taicho were the worst parts of the adaptation, otherwise I don't remember having any troubles with it, I'm on my way in watching Bleach to see where it went wrong, but I could say that range between 64 and 190 is the reason alot of people dropped Bleach.

about OP: I'm not really enjoying the adaptation that much, each arc is getting too dragged out, except for the Marineford arc. I can tell the promise OP shows as the best of the big 3, but that's because of the story not because of the adaptation, it's probably due to the 1ch.=1ep. pace. I'm enjoying the manga more so I'm considering continuing with the manga from now on.

Anyway it's probably personal preferences, as Shuda said.

Klonoa79H said:
No, find a good anime to watch instead.

IntroverTurtle said:
Well then it's about episode preferences because 555 well paced episodes seems way better than 366 crappy paces episodes, I don't consider a show good if i have to skip half of it for it to be good. I watched it since episode 112. If what you say about one piece is true about the 1chap= 1ep thing, then that's a good thing because they have never really caught up so we don't get bombarded with crappy fillers, And the story doesn't seem dragged out to me.

Candor said:
A chapter of One Piece's manga has more stuff in it than a chapter of Bleach, Bleach's manga has a horrible pace, that's for sure, although the action is better in Bleach imo, but at some points in OP's anime the episodes feels dragged out, like nothing happening at all, but that's probably because I didn't get into OP's anime that much in the first place, the same way people watch Bleach without getting into it that much (and start nagging for months or years about how horrible Bleach is). The difference is that One Piece has a better story than Bleach, but I still think Toei could do a better job on it considering how famous OP is, the artwork were horrible as I said in some of the best parts in the story, it's getting better recently (although the pace is still horrible, for me at least), but it still had some of its bad times, but now that I think about it, all 3 adaptations had gone through horrible times, actually that's why lots of people tend to avoid them .

IntroverTurtle said:
I believe that story affects the fighting, in bleach most of the time he doesn't want to fight the person or talks to them while they are fighting, you know about their objectives and their reasons and tries to convince them that their wrong. And my favorite the "you are so strong so why are you fighting for him" line or the "I have already beaten you stop trying to get up line". While in one piece it is he did something to me or my nakama i am going to kick his ass which is more simple but it makes more sense to me, and it is a more shoot first ask questions later type of anime. And you can get into it more if the main character has a set goal in a fight which bleach usually never has, he has one when he fights byakuya for rukia in the first arc and a couple of other times like the last battle with aizen and Kujo. However when he fights zaraki, kariya which is a filler but i'm still going to say it because they tried to make ichigo grow as a character in that arc, and Grimjow, nnoitra, and that first dancing ex espada dude, and gin it takes him forever to get serious.

Candor said:
I enjoy watching/playing sword-based Anime/Games most of the time, so I think that's a plus for me for enjoying Bleach, and I enjoy historical themes also, another plus for Bleach and OP (the Void).

Some of the fights in Bleach are like Grimmjow said when he asked Ichigo for his reason for fighting, they simply thirst for fighting, like Zaraki or Nnoitora for example, which portraits some of the people of the old times, they simply fight for the sake of fighting and showing who's more powerful, basically conflict, that's a human-trait that remains until our time, but at some other points the reason is simply like any other shounen, protecting nakama, countries, lovers or revenge, benefits..etc. One of the best conflicts in Bleach imo are the scientific conflicts with Mayuri (vs Apollo or Kageroza).

On the other hand One Piece deals with large-scale supernatural stuff, every arc has something like this, which is really interesting, but it lacks abit when it comes to action, unless Luffy is fighting (Luffy vs Lucci was the best fight in OP imo). I think Oda concentrates on creating lands and the story which are the best things in OP, Oda is really creative when it comes to these stuff, he's also creative when it comes to powers (the robot in the end of Fish-men arc was amazing), but there's a lack of action imo, but the story and Oda's creativity makes up for it I guess.

Candor said:
There are some decent sword fights, although not about swordmanship and these stuff but they're still decent, and them having special powers is also interesting, it actually keeps the excitement for new Shikai or Bankai that's coming later, for example Urahara, Shinsui (the Bankai that should never be revealed, at least in fake Karakura), Ukitake, Yama-ji, and some other new captains and the royal guard when they're introduced.

Haki is really great, the way they revealed it also is great, I'm looking forward to see how things are gonna develop with this power, especially now that Coby has it, and actually I like where One Piece is heading generally, although there are some arcs I didn't like or didn't get into (Skypiea saga, Alabasta saga, Fishmen arc) but seriously I like where it's heading, unlike Naruto, I'm not liking the war arc, and I actually didn't get into the world of naruto in the first place, but interested to see where it's heading and how it's ending.

I like where Bleach is heading too but I hope Kubo won't ruin it, and about the power losses and gaining them back it's pretty simple actually, there's nothing much to think about:
Ishida's power was immature, he may have learned them wrong or something, he lost his immature powers but then got his own full power with full potential, they're teachings after-all.
Ichigo's powers came back by giving him a huge amount of Reiatsu even greater than his old one (that explains why he got stronger), they are a combination of the captain's Reiatsus, he got them back the same way he got them in the first episode, the difference is that in the beginning he had some Reiatsu, but in FB arc he gained Reiatsu by turning into a Full-bringer that was hidden inside him or his Compass (can't remember exactly), I guess that'd make sense if

That's typical shounen for you, even in other matters like sudden power-ups or Ichigo going back to life by Orihime's godly-like powers, they're too simple that you think they're mysteries, but they're not.

IntroverTurtle said:
What I'm saying is it doesn't matter if they had swords because they would fight almost exactly the same even if they were using spoons as weapons. I would like the show more if he actually trained his swordsmanship. Like when he fought byakuya at the execution hill, he took out 3 vice captains without his sword. That was kickass, but after that arc he would have trouble even with the weakest of opponents. Zaraki is more of what i'm talking about, his fight with nnoitra was more about the actual swords rather than powers, compared to hitugaya and harribel their swords rarely touched each others, it was just water against ice. So if it was a mix between those two fights i would love the show. And I do like the special powers, you can still be excited about a new shikai or bankai without them having them having to use their powers all the time.

I think they are trying to make a roger+garp relationship with luffy+coby, which is cool but i don't think coby will get strong enough to be able to fight evenly with luffy, which is good i don't think the world would be fair if he could. yeah the skypia arc was kinda boring until the end. I think when they get a new crewmember it makes the following arc more interesting to me. I do like the war arc in naruto though, but i am always dissapointed because i believe naruto is the show that invented that filler pacing that bleach has. the past like 100 episodes in naruto we have had like 45 filler episodes, which brings down the excitement. But I am looking forward to seeing how each person gets stronger in both naruto and one piece.

I don't think it was because he was taught wrong because his grandfather was a strong quincy, but i do believe his powers are immature , didn't he use a quincy tool that no matter how strong of a quincy you are if you take off the metal things on the glove you get a burst of power and then you can't use your power anymore. that doesn't sound like it had anything to do with skill. And i just don't like the fact that the say that he is going to lose his powers permanently, when everytime there is some way to get his powers back, it sounds like they are trying to make everything dramatic.

But them being so simple you wonder why don't they use those powers all of the time if they are so simple, not just at certain times.

Candor said:
Yea you're right about the swords, most of fights that are enjoyable are the ones where there is some clash of swords.

I think Coby will get strong enough to be an equal for Luffy, but the fact that Akainu took the place of a fleet admiral after Sengoku is dangerous and the corruption will increase, he is a sly bastard, I don't think those with some sense of justice will allow him to do things his way, namely Aokiji, Coby, Garp, Sengoku, maybe Smoker, I think they will turn sides and fight side-by-side against Akainu, but whatever is gonna happen there'll probably be a huge show-down at the end of the series, or huge battles as the series goes on, OP has the best potential of a shounen manga I've ever read.

The way Ishida got his powers back it was simple for us to understand, something too shounen-like, like awakening your own hidden Quincy powers, but anyway the Quincy are gonna be explained thoroughly in this arc so we might even have more exact answers. The "he's going to lose them permanently" is meant to be dramatic, although it might be not logical or stupid, like Ichigo's death and coming back to life by Orihime's godly-like powers, but that's typical shounen for you.

By simple I meant they're easy for us to understand, there's no huge mysteries behind them, not simple for them to use, but again, that's typical shounen for you.

IntroverTurtle said:
how big really is soul society? they say nobody finds their family because it's so big but they have only told of us of like 3 towns. Ii know its an anime but you don't really see anybody of any different culture or race in soul society. How is someone born in soul society when they are just supposed to be souls waiting to be reincarnated. And those are just some of the setting plot holes or more really things that aren't explained at all. there are probably more but i haven't watched the whole show in about 5 months.They might explain it in the manga but i personally am waiting for the anime. And they did say that Chad's and Orihime's power was because of Ichigo. I know what you meant but some of the time they eventually explain it, and if you dismiss something as typical shounen stuff then you might miss out on the real reason.

Shaduge said:
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bleach has as many plotholes as there are stars in the sky, it's that simple

IntroverTurtle said:
I know about the bleach wikia and that doesn't explain everything, everybody in the world from about the past 100 to 2000 years living in 80 districts all in a place that looks like fuedal japan, with all of the cultures in the world, japan. And dead people having babies, isn't having a baby considered giving berth to life, how can you give berth the dead life. And a whole bunch of minor plot holes make a big problem with the show.