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| 5 out of 5: Loved it! | 127 | 83.01% | |
| 4 out of 5: Liked it | 22 | 14.38% | |
| 3 out of 5: It was OK | 3 | 1.96% | |
| 2 out of 5: Disliked it | 0.00% | ||
| 1 out of 5: Hated it | 1 | 0.65% |
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#41
07-06-12, 3:36 AM
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abaanda said: she is not the real eureka She is eureka from first series world. |
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07-06-12, 3:42 AM
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Original Nirvash is back? Isn't it supposed to have been the "core" of the Scub Coral after the original core was destroyed in the first series? |
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07-06-12, 3:53 AM
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MiLTeK said: abaanda said: she is not the real eureka She is eureka from first series world. Yes, but it seems from an earlier time, before she gave birth to Ao. She appears to be pregnant when appearing out of the cockpit, and it's probably with Ao (Would also explain why she doesn't immediately recognize who he is). |
#44
07-06-12, 4:05 AM
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FAN BOY RAGE WHEN GEKKO APPEARED! Man! So looking forward to next week! |
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07-06-12, 4:09 AM
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jimjameswhatever said: yeahhhh so eureka is young again so it must be from another universe, or from another time. Sakuya wasn't aging, the same applies to Eureka I believe. Eureka never aged, she was still the same even when Renton's dad was around! |
#46
07-06-12, 4:15 AM
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Check episode 6 again !!! You will understand something ! |
#47
07-06-12, 4:21 AM
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No Storywriter. :( I hope they're saving that for Renton, I'll be disappointed if we don't hear it in this series. And I'm not sure there are more than one Eurekas, just one from different times. This one is clearly pregnant, and has the 'gem' on her forehead just like in the first season's last part, so even if there are multiple Eurekas, I'm pretty sure this is the one we know. Also, Gekko. I didn't expect to see it so soon, here is hoping the crew is still the same. And yeah, Type-0's reappearance is a little strange considering what happened at the end of E7. |
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07-06-12, 4:22 AM
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i can't believe how many plot holes one episode can fill in. well obviously theres another world. Well now that clears ALOT up. like why all the world goverments are around how the scrub coral is none existant except for a few clusters where renton/eureka where, what happened to the old world from season 1, where the hell the real nirvash/gekko was. I think this would be the real eureka myself possibly pregnant with ao (time travel?) or mabey this eureka is pregnant again, the last time she saw ao he was a baby remember so she may not reconigize him right off the bat.(i believe the time travel bit more). i'm wondeirng have any of you been wondering if the rest of the crew of the gekko is on the gekko? is renton on the gekko? thats what i'm hoping but who knows mabey renton is the captain of the gekko. god i can't wait for next week so many questions to be answered |
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07-06-12, 4:31 AM
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knightofdread said: or mabey this eureka is pregnant again, the last time she saw ao he was a baby remember so she may not reconigize him right off the bat. fuck. my brain again. next week im supposed to go on holiday to a small place near the sea... I DAMN HOPE I CAN FIND A FREE WLAN TO DL EP 13 |
#50
07-06-12, 4:37 AM
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Summing up everything. There are at lest 2 worlds. Both worlds are equal and paralleled (the chances that AO's world is Scub's "dream" are rather low, since these worlds literally collide atm). There is going to be a war, or invasion. I wouldn't be surprised if secrets were in fact world defenders against the Scub (the invader). We still don't know what happened to Ao's real mother. However, if you take a closer look on last seconds of this episode - you'll see similar structures to where Gazele and guys were sniffing around at the beginning (beneath GB headquarters). It looks like she's trapped between between 2 dimensions (blue glow/refletion) or... dead (spirit?). Now there is a little change in Truth guy... he's portrait in a different way (more natural, less super-villain). His father (just took the kid in) was some kind of scientist that have foreseen upcoming events (maybe he did something bad?). For a moment you can see his Phd title, when the military guy turns the page. His prophecy is called "Truth" :) What will happens next? Probably Ao's world awaits some kind of destruction. Some people already know about it (generation blue for sure... -> team Harlequin) We still don't know: 1. what's below GB base - it might be related to the real Eureka (she's trapped/imprisoned there) - Type theEnd is there too! 2. What do they need quartz for (since the space station is a kind of ark, there must be a good reason). 3. When Fleur asked Elena whenever she ever saw a trappar... she answered evasively. Someone is "playing" all the time... I guess :D |
#51
07-06-12, 5:00 AM
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what a great episode its a joy to see the Gekko State and Eureka!!! |
#52
07-06-12, 5:16 AM
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-Jaw drop- Gekko coming out a scub. By the looks of the subs, it looks like we will get info on what happened to Eureka and Gekko when they came to the new world through the beam of light. Also Ep. 6 has some guy stated somewhere shows truth seeing the Nirvash pilot coming out of the beam of light which was Eureka back then, this is why truth was so surprised in Ep. 6 to see Ao pilot Nirvash Modified by Tyrel, 07-06-12, 5:25 AM |
#53
07-06-12, 5:47 AM
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Holy fucking awesomeness...... Eureka is back... <3 5/5 |
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07-06-12, 6:11 AM
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I absolutely loved this episode. So much happened and some nice pieces of information were given to us. 1) In the beginning of the episode, we get to see Naru and Truth and their discussion. Naru appears to still care about Ao, and has some Coral inside of her. Truth claims that he and she are the same- whether or not that has to do with them both "seeing the truth" or being Coralian (at least in a sense) seems unclear – and once again affirms that he wants Ao to see the truth. It is also "nice" to see the "kind" side of Truth in their discussion, although I'm sure the choice to display the dead bodies around them as the word "kind" hits the screen is no accident (not that I personally needed it, I have been complaining about the senseless killing every discussion). 2) Nothing happens much with the Gazelle group, but it seems that they might actually be looking into the matter of quartz in their own independent manner. Perhaps they might discover something shocking in the next few episodes. 3) I found the discussion between Truth and the Japanese guy (whose name eludes me, even though I searched for a minute- lazy I know) to be extremely enlightening and of interest. First off, Truth displays professional hacking capabilities and hacks the Fire Cracker (which annoys me slightly as he is already formidable in battle, now he's a genius in technology as well? But that's my minor pet peeve.). Is the Fire Cracker the satellite that Truth hacked, or is it a larger object or cyber system (like access to all Japanese satellites or something)? The fact that he came to the Firecracker man (That is definitely his name...) just to report seems to suggest that the guy will serve a very important role for/along with Truth, strongly suggested to be involved with their talk of interplanetary war (shows that Truth can cooperate as well, which is a nice addition to his seemingly indestructible nature). The only other "planet" I can imagine being involved in the conflict is that of Eureka's original world. 4) J. Johansson's introduction was probably the second most important event in this episode. He appears to have "adopted" Truth, or possibly have been a "father", guide, or friend of Truth and is viewed by Rebecca as a quack scientist. Clearly, Truth and Johansson share the same view of the world - that the world is mistaken - and Truth seems to speak of him reverently, which adds to Johansson’s importance and gives a little insight to Truth’s past. Furthermore, Johansson's suicide perks my interest. I have a feeling that no such suicide occurred, and I am leaning towards either him being killed or reaching Eureka's world or merging with the Scub Coral. The fact that his book seems to be considered a "prophecy" by many suggests to me that he had some sort of special knowledge that others didn't- possibly relating to Scub Coral or Eureka's world or the elusive "truth" that many are seeking. 5) Team Harlequin's rumored reputation of not dying when others would confuses me. Does it mean that if the world was destroyed, they would be safe up in space or that they are somehow resilient to danger? Their seemingly advanced understanding of Ao's dilemma of not seeming trapar as usual raises flags for me. I cannot guess or speculate any more than that. Ivica seems to be wary of them wanting to take Ao away. Maybe they do “alien” research. Speaking of Ao's dilemma, I have some issues with it. First off, how could he not have known that it wasn't normal to see trapar. He never spoke of it? That would be like never mentioning the wind or rain. Furthermore, he should have noticed that no books or art ever depict trapar. Also, why does he care if he cannot see it? He needs it to pilot properly or something? I assume there normally isn't trapar in the ocean flowing like in the wind, yet he had no problem underwater. 6) The big one. First off, obviously surprised that the Gekko was inside that Scub Coral, which seems to confirm that the Coral is traveling from another world to this world. SUPER SURPRISED to see the original Nirvash typeZERO (Spec2 right? Physical difference between 1 and 2 seem small. 95% sure it is Spec2) come out of that hole (oh-ho silly Renton and his antics….this is his hole right?). Seeing both Nirvashs at the same time was amazing. The music playing and the scenery were absolutely incredible. Seeing Eureka again in person even more so. Now here is where I may diverge with some of your thoughts. I am tending to believe that no time paradox occurred and that this is the Eureka that gave birth to Ao. Mainly for the following reasons which either suggest she and Ao get along (which wouldn’t happen if Ao claimed she was his mother and she denied it) or negate arguments made in favor of a time-paradox: 1) The episode preview doesn’t mention such a huge issue, only that she has “eccentricities” and that he “unexpectedly gets to spend time with his mother on the Gekko”. 2) The aging argument seems to hold no sway, since it appears human-form Coralians don’t age (or at least as quickly or noticeably as regular humans). 3) She generally appears happy in the preview, which if she disagreed with Ao’s assertion of him being her son wouldn’t likely be the case, as she surely would show some distress for a kid holding her to such a mental image. 4) Some people may think that her greeting to Ao shows she doesn’t know him. Many years have passed since they last saw each other and they have grown since then. It probably didn’t immediately click in her mind that she would meet him so soon, with blue hair and all grown up. 5) She does appear to be pregnant. No reason she can’t have another kid. 6) Some have noted that she looks different. Perhaps she can change her appearance. In this episode, she doesn’t have wings, but in one scene of the preview, she does. Maybe it can be changed at will. 7) She doesn’t seem surprised that she spawned inside of a Scub Coral falling into the atmosphere at high speed and baffled that a machine almost identical to her Nirvash has appeared on the top of the Gekko. Which to me suggests she has “experience” with this and/or has been to this world before. 7) Mentioning the Gekko, I wonder if anyone is inside. The next episode preview doesn’t show it flying, so probably she is the only one in it (can’t fly a ship with only one person probably). Why does she have it? What purpose will it serve? It would be super awesome if Holland or Renton were in there (most likely not). What’s Gekkostate doing without the Gekko? 8) I had a few lols or amusing moments during this episode. First was imagining Noah in space. Second was Ivica getting his in the face with coffee. Third was Truth feeling the need to destroy Firecracker man’s smoke ring. Fourth was Eureka’s Nirvash flipping over and dropping her in the recording. Fifth was the Ao’s Nirvash getting abruptly eaten by a space snake and sucking into a random geometric object in space. That seemed kind of weird. Speaking of that Secret, when he was inside (especially when the sides started flashing), I thought he was going to be teleported to Eureka’s world. SUPER LONG POST: I had a lot to say. Sorry if it seems to jump around a lot, skim certain topics or just generally be confusing. It was a bit tiring to write, so my thoughts might not be as organized, clear, or detailed as I might have liked. I did a check for overt grammar mistakes, so sorry if I missed a few. EDIT: I would just like to add that I am extremely pleased with how the series is heading at the moment. Ever since episode 4 or 5, I felt that the series was taking a turn for the worse. I had much to bash about and i did so in the discussions. Episode 9 or 10 started to bring that up for me and it steadily and slowly raised to this episode, which completely changed my negative view on this series' direction and really launched this series up for me. I almost literally cannot wait (yea, that's right. ALMOST LITERALLY. Literally means literally. You can't use it in exaggerations I say. Wanna fight about it?) for the next episode. I cannot remember a time when such a huge reversal occurred in a anime. Modified by Raigerzero, 07-06-12, 6:26 AM |
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07-06-12, 6:34 AM
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Raigerzero said: 6) Some have noted that she looks different. Perhaps she can change her appearance. In this episode, she doesn’t have wings, but in one scene of the preview, she does. Maybe it can be changed at will. that are prolly the Gekko's wings/or the wing like thing it got on front ( actualy im pretty damn sure its that ) |
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07-06-12, 6:36 AM
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Eureka is so beautiful. This series just got a whole lot better. Modified by Cassper, 07-06-12, 6:47 AM |
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07-06-12, 6:42 AM
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DAHSdhadhs. I'm so happy that I can see Eureka actually take part in this series. Will agree with that pregnant and time paradox theories as ppl before said. Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the General Forum Guidelines. |
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07-06-12, 6:45 AM
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Holy crap, the Gekko and Eureka are here, fucking magic moment! |
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07-06-12, 6:53 AM
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triforcebih said: Raigerzero said: 6) Some have noted that she looks different. Perhaps she can change her appearance. In this episode, she doesn’t have wings, but in one scene of the preview, she does. Maybe it can be changed at will. that are prolly the Gekko's wings/or the wing like thing it got on front ( actualy im pretty damn sure its that ) I think you're right. When I look at her, I can see part of the Gekko head between her and her "wings", so they aren't connected. Plus, the Gekko has three extensions per side, same as the number of "wings" per side. The angle of the extensions seems way too high though, even from that vantage point. Probably a minor drawing error. Thank you for catching that for me. |
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07-06-12, 6:56 AM
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Raigerzero said: I absolutely loved this episode. So much happened and some nice pieces of information were given to us. 1) In the beginning of the episode, we get to see Naru and Truth and their discussion. Naru appears to still care about Ao, and has some Coral inside of her. Truth claims that he and she are the same- whether or not that has to do with them both "seeing the truth" or being Coralian (at least in a sense) seems unclear – and once again affirms that he wants Ao to see the truth. It is also "nice" to see the "kind" side of Truth in their discussion, although I'm sure the choice to display the dead bodies around them as the word "kind" hits the screen is no accident (not that I personally needed it, I have been complaining about the senseless killing every discussion). It's quite surprising - Naru is just "smiling", despite all these dead people all over the place. She must truly believe that "this" world is a fake (or their death was unavoidable anyway). Raigerzero said: 2) Nothing happens much with the Gazelle group, but it seems that they might actually be looking into the matter of quartz in their own independent manner. Perhaps they might discover something shocking in the next few episodes. 3) I found the discussion between Truth and the Japanese guy (whose name eludes me, even though I searched for a minute- lazy I know) to be extremely enlightening and of interest. First off, Truth displays professional hacking capabilities and hacks the Fire Cracker (which annoys me slightly as he is already formidable in battle, now he's a genius in technology as well? But that's my minor pet peeve.). Is the Fire Cracker the satellite that Truth hacked, or is it a larger object or cyber system (like access to all Japanese satellites or something)? The fact that he came to the Firecracker man (That is definitely his name...) just to report seems to suggest that the guy will serve a very important role for/along with Truth, strongly suggested to be involved with their talk of interplanetary war (shows that Truth can cooperate as well, which is a nice addition to his seemingly indestructible nature). The only other "planet" I can imagine being involved in the conflict is that of Eureka's original world. It's probably more the scub-coral vs ao's world planet earth. Raigerzero said: 4) J. Johansson's introduction was probably the second most important event in this episode. He appears to have "adopted" Truth, or possibly have been a "father", guide, or friend of Truth and is viewed by Rebecca as a quack scientist. Clearly, Truth and Johansson share the same view of the world - that the world is mistaken - and Truth seems to speak of him reverently, which adds to Johansson’s importance and gives a little insight to Truth’s past. Furthermore, Johansson's suicide perks my interest. I have a feeling that no such suicide occurred, and I am leaning towards either him being killed or reaching Eureka's world or merging with the Scub Coral. The fact that his book seems to be considered a "prophecy" by many suggests to me that he had some sort of special knowledge that others didn't- possibly relating to Scub Coral or Eureka's world or the elusive "truth" that many are seeking. He was probably killed, or found a way to "reach" the scub (just like Renton's father). We haven't heard full prophecy - just something about burning the world. Raigerzero said: 5) Team Harlequin's rumored reputation of not dying when others would confuses me. Does it mean that if the world was destroyed, they would be safe up in space or that they are somehow resilient to danger? Their seemingly advanced understanding of Ao's dilemma of not seeming trapar as usual raises flags for me. I cannot guess or speculate any more than that. Ivica seems to be wary of them wanting to take Ao away. Maybe they do “alien” research. Speaking of Ao's dilemma, I have some issues with it. First off, how could he not have known that it wasn't normal to see trapar. He never spoke of it? That would be like never mentioning the wind or rain. Furthermore, he should have noticed that no books or art ever depict trapar. Also, why does he care if he cannot see it? He needs it to pilot properly or something? I assume there normally isn't trapar in the ocean flowing like in the wind, yet he had no problem underwater. If a planet like earth is being hit by a planetoid, you basically get the same effect. Psychical collision between Earth and Coral Scub? Trapar-seeing things is just simplification. It's just an anime, so it's safe to imply that Ao wasn't aware of his own uniqueness. Ivica is like a father, he "shields" his kids from the danger ...any (both psychical and mental). Even if it means avoiding the truth. Raigerzero said: 6) The big one. First off, obviously surprised that the Gekko was inside that Scub Coral, which seems to confirm that the Coral is traveling from another world to this world. SUPER SURPRISED to see the original Nirvash typeZERO (Spec2 right? Physical difference between 1 and 2 seem small. 95% sure it is Spec2) come out of that hole (oh-ho silly Renton and his antics….this is his hole right?). Seeing both Nirvashs at the same time was amazing. The music playing and the scenery were absolutely incredible. Seeing Eureka again in person even more so. Now here is where I may diverge with some of your thoughts. I am tending to believe that no time paradox occurred and that this is the Eureka that gave birth to Ao. Can't agree with that. Final few seconds of the video shows another Eureka (different outfit) flying above something in a strange "blue" glow (the place looks like GB bunker). These are not the same characters. Raigerzero said: Mainly for the following reasons which either suggest she and Ao get along (which wouldn’t happen if Ao claimed she was his mother and she denied it) or negate arguments made in favor of a time-paradox: 1) The episode preview doesn’t mention such a huge issue, only that she has “eccentricities” and that he “unexpectedly gets to spend time with his mother on the Gekko”. That means she's not a fake copy created by Naru/Truth, but it doesn't mean it's the same Eureka. It's highly possible that "this" Eureka will play now a major role in the show, but I'm pretty sure we'll see "the right one" at the end of the series too. Raigerzero said: 2) The aging argument seems to hold no sway, since it appears human-form Coralians don’t age (or at least as quickly or noticeably as regular humans). 3) She generally appears happy in the preview, which if she disagreed with Ao’s assertion of him being her son wouldn’t likely be the case, as she surely would show some distress for a kid holding her to such a mental image. This Eureka appears to behave a bit more childish... then Ao's mother (but in typical for her way) Raigerzero said: 4) Some people may think that her greeting to Ao shows she doesn’t know him. Many years have passed since they last saw each other and they have grown since then. It probably didn’t immediately click in her mind that she would meet him so soon, with blue hair and all grown up. Mother not recognizing her son immediately...hmmm... nahh... and another child? Renton should really start buying condoms... Raigerzero said: 5) She does appear to be pregnant. No reason she can’t have another kid. 6) Some have noted that she looks different. Perhaps she can change her appearance. In this episode, she doesn’t have wings, but in one scene of the preview, she does. Gekko had these fancy fins around its head (3 at each side). These are not wings ;) Raigerzero said: Maybe it can be changed at will. 7) She doesn’t seem surprised that she spawned inside of a Scub Coral falling into the atmosphere at high speed and baffled that a machine almost identical to her Nirvash has appeared on the top of the Gekko. Which to me suggests she has “experience” with this and/or has been to this world before. The key thing is that Nirvash MK1 is not really similar to Nivrash typeZero. They are very different :)... Raigerzero said: 7) Mentioning the Gekko, I wonder if anyone is inside. The next episode preview doesn’t show it flying, so probably she is the only one in it (can’t fly a ship with only one person probably). Why does she have it? What purpose will it serve? It would be super awesome if Holland or Renton were in there (most likely not). What’s Gekkostate doing without the Gekko? The hole in Gekko looks quite similar to what we've seen in the 1st series. However I'm pretty sure Eureka was the only passenger. Raigerzero said: 8) I had a few lols or amusing moments during this episode. First was imagining Noah in space. Second was Ivica getting his in the face with coffee. Third was Truth feeling the need to destroy Firecracker man’s smoke ring. Fourth was Eureka’s Nirvash flipping over and dropping her in the recording. Fifth was the Ao’s Nirvash getting abruptly eaten by a space snake and sucking into a random geometric object in space. That seemed kind of weird. Speaking of that Secret, when he was inside (especially when the sides started flashing), I thought he was going to be teleported to Eureka’s world. SUPER LONG POST: I had a lot to say. Sorry if it seems to jump around a lot, skim certain topics or just generally be confusing. It was a bit tiring to write, so my thoughts might not be as organized, clear, or detailed as I might have liked. I did a check for overt grammar mistakes, so sorry if I missed a few. |




