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Jul 2, 2012 10:40 PM

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THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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Am I blind or nobody created a topic yet? Raws are out since yesterday.
Art style changed a bit again, sometimes characters look very yaoi. I hope Hoshino won't continue drawing like this, but, urgh, I know, hope...
 
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Nea and Cross seems very friendly as Nea is sad when he know Cross is death.
OMG, "ALLEN" really plays a freaking big role that he even involve in the past incident 35 years ago.
I can't believe Nea knows "Allen" and they seem very close friend. Because if refer back to chapter 198, I thought Nea and Allen does not know each other as Nea does not surprise Allen does not know him. Nea even introduced himself to Allen back then.
Oh No...Kanda becoming FALLEN? he's in big trouble.
At least I'm glad Johnny is safe...for now. Science department invention never fails to make me laugh.xD
It seems like Nea is able to slowly control Allen from the look of it.
Allen's CC is more not stable from the look of it. APO really did one hell of a mess to Allen.T_T
Oh my...TIM cried!!! Poor thing. T_T
At the end.....APO arrived!!! Been waiting to see how this goes.

An Awesome chapter with new confusing information instead of answering things. @_@
 
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Jul 4, 2012 11:14 AM

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I don't like Hoshino's current drawing style -_- And one chapter per month?! T^T
 
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Guys, can you provide a link with Eng TR please? It is not available yet on manga web-sites.
 
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Jul 4, 2012 9:41 PM

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Ringa said:
I don't like Hoshino's current drawing style -_- And one chapter per month?! T^T

You can always stop reading, nobody is forcing you.
 
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Does anyone know why there're no english scans yet? I don't remember such a delay any time before.

@sevki
They've posted a translation on Animeprodestiny - http://animeprodestiny.forumcommunity.net/?t=51171819 but it's very uncomfortable to read. Anyway, it's better than nothing.
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The art is like those in yaoi mangas -.- hope we'll get the old art back soon :(
 
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This chater looks awesome, I am very excited even looking at it. I am so happy that the chapter came out early for once. If only I could read Chinese...
Did anyone post a good english translation yet? ^w^ The translaters seem to be a bit late...
 
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Ringa said:
I don't like Hoshino's current drawing style -_- And one chapter per month?! T^T


The art work isn't that bad. Her art work is always changing, and it'll most likely change again. Better get use to it.

You must be new to reading this series online. It's been monthly for a long time now. And I doubt it will change any time soon.

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This chater looks awesome, I am very excited even looking at it. I am so happy that the chapter came out early for once. If only I could read Chinese...
Did anyone post a good english translation yet? ^w^ The translaters seem to be a bit late...


Well, the 4th was a holiday and all, but it is taking quite a while. I don't know if they're just being lazy or if they're all busy with other things; it usually isn't this late...
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Surprised there is topic up (thanks Samang), really looking forward for the translation to be out since this chapter stated something about Neah and Allen knowing each other. Allen has a much more important past than I thought, haha but I'll wait till the translations are up to be sure.
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OmoshiroiKyoki on DA translated it, link.

After reading the translation from animeprodestiny, week or smth ago, I felt as if I was kicked. Well, I still do a bit.
The chapter was good, but there were longueurs, again.
 
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Samang said:
OmoshiroiKyoki on DA translated it, link.

After reading the translation from animeprodestiny, week or smth ago, I felt as if I was kicked. Well, I still do a bit.
The chapter was good, but there were longueurs, again.


Thank you Samang! Owing to you I managed to read the scan before it's translated on the manga pages.

About the comment; seriously, WTF is wrong with the mangaka? IT is already a monthly release, why is she taking everything so slowed down? If this keeps up, then we will never get to see an ending.

For example, what about LAVI, Katsuro? Speed up woman.
 
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sevki said:
About the comment; seriously, WTF is wrong with the mangaka? IT is already a monthly release, why is she taking everything so slowed down? If this keeps up, then we will never get to see an ending.

For example, what about LAVI, Katsuro? Speed up woman.


Right now, she's focusing on Allen. We don't want her to do a crappy job on the current arc just so we can all see Lavi again. Many believe Lavi will get his own arc soon enough. You all just have to be patient.

And Hoshino also has some health problems at times, as well as having back or wrist problems. We don't need her pushing herself to the point where she has to take a long hiatus again. Be happy we get it monthly. It's better than nothing at all.
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Here is another link, I didn't compare it with the other one, though:

What the hell is Hoshino doing with the art, Allen seriously does not look like Allen anymore?!

And I'm still pissed about the storytelling, it just gets more and more confusing, so was that Allen in Neah's flashback, telling him he would keep his memories? That was definitely Allen's sword there that Neah used, so he got all of his powers from Neah and Allen is apparently way older than we thought he was, just what is he?

Kanda's health doesn't seem too good, heck, I don't even know how he could still be alive.

Seriously guys, can you still follow the story, like do you know most of the stuff that happened, plot details, characters etc.? I caught up last summer and I know that I already got confused during that time and now I feel like I'm totally lost. Re-reading every chapter is gonna be a pain in the ass, I will do it anyway but that doesn't change the fact that it's still confusing.
 
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I loved it!! And I'm still following it just fine.
Now, I don't think it's confusing OR necessarily inconsistent. Neah apparently knows that Allen wouldn't remember him. I'm guessing memory loss of SOME sort is involved.

The only thing that IS weird is that Allen has been shown as a child... presumably only a realistic time before the present. Neah COULD be confused, or a lot more could have happened between his past and the present... But, yeah. I'm waiting for it all to be explained to make any solid opinions regarding consistency.

What I can say is that I love it right now, ridiculously so.

I don't get the complaints about the art... I think it looks great? It's very expressive and still has the D Gray Man soul. If Hoshino wants to expand and grow a little with the style, I think that's great. A great story told in not one great style, but two. Not to mention, look way back... Then look where it is now... The characters, in general, are way more realistic and attractive. I completely understand preferring one over the other, but let's relax with the hating, yes?

Timcampy cried. Oh lord <3
I finally accept Johnny. That was... Just a little bit nice.
Kanda WILL NOT BECOME A FALLEN. HE WILL NOT. I WILL NOT LET HIM. AND IF HE DOES I WILL NEVER RECOVER.
Poor Allen :( He's been getting more and more lonely and moody...
And who IS Allen, really? Apparently not exactly how we've always seen him...
Neah's adorable and likable, I think.
Lastly... Where's Lavi? Last time we saw him, it wasn't good.
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Jul 17, 2012 3:00 AM

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When I first read the chapter I thought that the author didn't make the deadline. Granted that also had to do with the scanlation quality but the art just completely changed to a shoujo manga style.
 
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GOD...i'm a big fan of D.Gray-man ... but srsly .. the art in this chapter was "iak"...i mean i LOVED the art in the chapters before .. it was amazing ....and yeah i can agree with @Zhou ... this chapter was confusing :|...

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Looks like 14th is getting ready to wake up..
and Apocryphos is here again. I wonder if they are going to defeat him this time.
 
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Timcanpy crying made me cry!!! OMG!!! I'm a lil confused abt something.

Right after Kanda stepped into the room, did Allen turn back into Allen or was he still the 14th?????


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I thought it was really funny how the science dept.
the art style changes, seems like if she was in a rush, I mean the blushes and the expressions were different and it felt rushed reading it too.
Poor Timcanpy, why is he crying.
Kanda becoming FALLEN NOOOOOOO!!!
oh crap that guy is there too Apo.
Allen's hair is so long now I love it!!!
 
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So guys, english translation is out, something has me wondering... when Johnny was all "as your friend I want to help you" to Allen, and Allen went blushing like crazy and Kanda went stiff, was that just them being all shocked or am I missing a point here...?
 
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So guys, english translation is out, something has me wondering... when Johnny was all "as your friend I want to help you" to Allen, and Allen went blushing like crazy and Kanda went stiff, was that just them being all shocked or am I missing a point here...?


I think its just coz they were shocked. Kanda was like "has he finally caved in" or something about Johnny thinking he might have given up on going with Allen maybe. So he was surprised when Johnny went on to say that. And Allen, I think he just wasn't expecting that at all lol.
 
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Shit's so damn confusing.
 
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So Allen is getting younger? Did I understand that correctly.

Looks like the plot continues to get most complicated. I am excited.

Also, no new chapter until September :(

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So Allen is getting younger? Did I understand that correctly.

Looks like the plot continues to get most complicated. I am excited.

Also, no new chapter until September :(


not known. Either he is getting younger(which he is not since he clearly ages NOW), or he GOT younger somewhere in the past, which is more likely.

Basically Allen for whatever reason made a deal with 14th, then erased his own memories and became younger.
 
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So that's why Allen looks younger at Mana's grave, just because when he was at the circus, before the dog's grave he was taller.

So basically Allen met Mana when the dog died, and that time Nea. Then he grew up and got Nea's memories. Later Cross or he done something to himself and became younger, lost his memories, and being with Mana for some time. Later Mana died and Allen got to Cross's side. Now he's having different life goal what he had before the memory loss.
LOL this is a bit bad luck I think.

But now I'm interest in Allen's real past really:D

And... I want a second season of the animeT_T

What if the heart is in Allen or something?XD Just because the innocence is too overprotective with Allen, and that man(the glasses guy who almost killed Allen, and chasing, I don't remember his name>.>) said something about the heart that it is worry for Allen or something like that.
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So that's why Allen looks younger at Mana's grave, just because when he was at the circus, before the dog's grave he was taller.

So basically Allen met Mana when the dog died, and that time Nea. Then he grew up and got Nea's memories. Later Cross or he done something to himself and became younger, lost his memories, and being with Mana for some time. Later Mana died and Allen got to Cross's side. Now he's having different life goal what he had before the memory loss.
LOL this is a bit bad luck I think.

But now I'm interest in Allen's real past really:D




Barbara-chan explained better than what i understood but i'm still confused about Allen's past and can't wait to see the 'memories' 14th mentioned.

I like Allen a lot, i really do but the consept of a Noah with Inocescence - and a parasytic type at that - is so intriguing i want him to become 14th to see what will Nea do with an Inocescence ;P
 
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Barbara-chan explained better than what i understood but i'm still confused about Allen's past and can't wait to see the 'memories' 14th mentioned.

I like Allen a lot, i really do but the consept of a Noah with Inocescence - and a parasytic type at that - is so intriguing i want him to become 14th to see what will Nea do with an Inocescence ;P


Thx^^

And, the innocence was Nea's I think, because on one picture he had the weapon what Allen had, and the Earl, but this we had figured out that time when Allen first had the new innocence, I think. And I over thought, so I think the heart is protecting Nea, not Allen.(Ok I just forgot some pieces from the manga in the past yearsXD)
 
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My theory is actually that Allen's memories were distorted—his ability or the 14th's?—so that he would have a different memory of his childhood—one wherein he grew up with Mother and Barba and Mana and Cross. The 14th doesn't know why Allen didn't age, so it couldn't be his conscious doing. I think...it could be a result of having the 14th's soul or whatever—since it seems like Noahs don't age at all.

The tricky part would be the memories of the people whom he "grew up with." It could be another distortion of memories too.

Rereading Chapter 214(?), there's a name mentioned that might be real Allen's name: Cyrus. It was a very brief mention, but I think it's relevant—as always.

Hmm...What if Allen made a wish on the Ark? We clearly forgot that bit of music playing that resurrected Kanda and the others (or brought them back from whatever abyss). Maybe Allen knew the score even before Nea's memories were placed in him. If they grew up together...If they knew each other. The thing is, only after seeing Timcanpi's recording of Allen did he say that stuff about Allen not aging, and since Timcanpi has been with Cross and Allen throughout many years, the recording probably triggered the 14th to remember who Allen was previously and why his (14th) memories are in him. Also, Tim's recording probably showed how Allen didn't age. So...hmm another thing that goes in my mind is that maybe Cross knew that Allen doesn't age. Mana...was there a mention that he's Nea's twin? He might be a player in whatever distortion of Allen's childhood memory there is.

Hmm the more I speculate, the weirder my theories become lol Anyway, The inconsistency might be attributed to Nea's amnesiac tendencies or something. =.=
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this chapter confused me for some reason... maybe it's because my computer was always freezing up... oh well i'll just reread this chapter later! I may have missed something!


 
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Allen is starting to look a bit older
 
Jul 20, 2012 5:13 AM

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Damn, there are so many questions left without any answers.
I'll be looking forward to the next chapter, whenever it comes out at least.
 
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Don't you guys think of the possibility of someone might be temporarily drawing D.gray-man, in place of Hoshino? In place of her when she's ill or whatever condition she has.
It's like, Hoshino do the story and someone or more like her assistants draw it. Of course, I guess the drawings are still under her supervision.
I know about Hoshino's time to time change of drawing style but isn't it just too much of change? that it almost feels they're not the characters anymore.

Btw, It's not yet proven that Cross' dead, right?

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Don't you guys think of the possibility of someone might be temporarily drawing D.gray-man, in place of Hoshino? In place of her when she's ill or whatever condition she has.
It's like, Hoshino do the story and someone or more like her assistants draw it. Of course, I guess the drawings are still under her supervision.
I know about Hoshino's time to time change of drawing style but isn't it just too much of change? that it almost feels they're not the characters anymore.

Btw, It's not yet proven that Cross' dead, right?


If you're just referring to this chapter (215), it wasn't just DGM that had "sketchy" art work this month. It turns out there were a few other series as well, some that appeared even far more "sketchy" than DGM.

I wouldn't be surprised if she did have assistants, but I don't think she would allow someone to do all the drawing for her. If that were the case, there would be no need for her to take a hiatus at times.

As for Cross, we know he had an encounter with Apocryphos, but since Cross' body disappeared soon after it was discovered, I guess it's not a 100% clear if he's dead or not. In my opinion, I think it's in the air as of now whether he's truly dead or not. Knowing Hoshino, it could be either.
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Hm....I noticed that a lot of people were commenting on the art style changing, I noticed this as well but I don't dislike it. It suits the manga and its characters in my opinion. I don't dislike the pace the manga's going at, I look forward to each chapter.

About the chapter... I think we're going to be revealed something crazy soon enough. I just hope it's consistent with everything. And Nea said Cross is dead! I thought he was just MIA.

Oh yeah and about the Heart, like the manga says it's prolly in Lenalee or Allen, but after seeing that Kanda also crystalized his Innocence I think it's more likely to be with Allen. He'll prolly have to go through some crazy rehab again to fix it after what Apocryphos did to it.
 
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I just don't get it xD . D.Gray-man is so confusing right now n-n
And i want to see Lavi q.q
 
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After what, two dozen chapters (?) of constant art changes people are still complaining about it as if it's new. Get used to it and get over it.

This chapter got me even more worried, but at least Neah didn't take control of Allen's body for good or started pretending to be him, which is what I assumed was going to happen after last chapter. And Kanda's increasingly more problematic situation also doesn't please me, because I love much and after the whole Alma ordeal I was hoping things would get better for him, not worse T_T
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This chapter was as confusing as ever but it was worth the wait :)

haha so after rereading the chapter I think that Allen most likely volunteered to become the one that neah will awaken in. on page six the line "near, use me" i think that was a typo for neah, use me it looked like neah was at the verge of death. if that really was a typo than "Allen" knew that neah needed to leave his memories in someone and thus volunteered to be the one.(if you think about it the the line " I will protect your memories from the others, no matter how long it takes for you to awaken " fits perfectly, one more thing is that neah and "Allen" seemed to be really close so it is not weird that "Allen" wanted to protect neah's memories.

The thing about Allen becoming younger, there are many possibilities but it could also have something to do with the last line on page six "no matter how long it takes untill you awaken, no matter what" my theory is that in order to protect the memories until neah awakens. "Allen" needed to make sure that he survived until then so he did something so that he could be younger and prolong his life. and because of that he lost his memories with neah (or he returned to the time when he has not met him yet) that explains why neah did not know why allen was so young.

One last thing but maybe "Allen" used the innocence that neah left behind to make himself younger because (again) on page six the 14th that awakened in allen was like, "innocence. What did you do..?!"


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Artwork was a little different this time. I wonder why it's been changed. Hopefully it's just for this chapter.

Timcanpy cried... I didn't even know he had eyes.

The 14th is a wuss. He quickly reverted back to Allen when Kanda was about to open up a can of whoop-ass. Fortunately, you can't get anything past Kanda. He's awesome like that!

I'm now curious as to why it's been 35 years and Allen hasn't aged. Is it his innocence, or something else?

BTW, I still refuse to believe that Cross is really dead!
 
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Anyone laugh a bit at the “Rinali”, “Near”, and “Mari” names used in this chapter?

I feel that this comment on the chapter is late but the translations were too

On one page Allen looked like some fallen angel. But the blushes, so many blushing Allens.

Anyways, I’m so glad this turned out to be so complicated. I was looking forward to learning about Neah’s past, but now there seems to be something up with Allen. Before with the other translation (I think I read more than one translation) I had assumed Allen is continuing to deage, but that isn’t the case. It is most likely that he had become younger which is probably to the age of six or seven since in the reverse novel he didn’t have any memories before that age and then grown to become the present Allen we all know. But I have so many questions and assumptions. Such as if Neah was blaming Allen’s innocence or the Apocryphos for the whole deaging scheme? Which leads me to think if Allen was actually born with innocence or it was just implanted? The questions...

Kanda a fallen one...? He just came back, I doubt it. Might be a reaction to Apocryphos and it’s not like Kanda has betrayed the innocence even with what Link had said it wouldn’t be likely. Suman helped a Noah so he can live and the innocence didn’t like it. So maybe it’s just a crystal type thing, then again there isn’t enough information about crystal types so I’m making assumptions.

And does anyone know if the next chapter will come out on September? With chapter 214 and 215 actually coming out on time would the next chapter be bi-monthly? Or would Hishino do it again. I’m actually not going to get my hopes up.
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And does anyone know if the next chapter will come out on September? With chapter 214 and 215 actually coming out on time would the next chapter be bi-monthly? Or would Hishino do it again. I’m actually not going to get my hopes up.


The next chapter should come out as it usually does so long as Hoshino is in good health.

People, chapter 215 WAS on time this month. It was the TRANSLATORS who took so long.

I understand some people don't like reading or seeing spoilers, but I would suggest to you to at least skim for some before declaring if a chapter is late or not. RAWS/spoilers are usually out no later than the 5th. If you see no signs of spoilers/RAWS then you can start worrying about there not being a chapter.
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There is no new chapter this month - we have to wait until September, for anyone who wants to know. I love Hoshino and D. Gray-Man, really, and I don't want anyone to think I don't appreciate the work that she puts into this manga, but seriously? Why does she take so many breaks? At this rate, D. Gray-Man is gonna take FOREVER to finish (not that I want it to be over, ever). But we still have a lot to cover in this manga, and with so many breaks and only 30-something pages when we do get a chapter, it's gonna be a long time coming to get any answers. And this manga has already been going on for quite a while (I'm not sure how long exactly, though).
I don't want someone to say that I should just stop reading the manga if I'm unhappy with it or something along those lines, because I love D. Gray-Man so much and plan on sticking with it until the end, but I just don't understand why there are so many breaks. *sigh*
Let's hope the next chapter is a good one with lots of action and hopefully some answers. *crosses fingers*
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marmalah said:
There is no new chapter this month - we have to wait until September, for anyone who wants to know. I love Hoshino and D. Gray-Man, really, and I don't want anyone to think I don't appreciate the work that she puts into this manga, but seriously? Why does she take so many breaks? At this rate, D. Gray-Man is gonna take FOREVER to finish (not that I want it to be over, ever). But we still have a lot to cover in this manga, and with so many breaks and only 30-something pages when we do get a chapter, it's gonna be a long time coming to get any answers. And this manga has already been going on for quite a while (I'm not sure how long exactly, though).
I don't want someone to say that I should just stop reading the manga if I'm unhappy with it or something along those lines, because I love D. Gray-Man so much and plan on sticking with it until the end, but I just don't understand why there are so many breaks. *sigh*
Let's hope the next chapter is a good one with lots of action and hopefully some answers. *crosses fingers*


Mostly due to Hishino's frequent illness and back problems. Wondering if this absence is also because of an illness? You shouldn't stop reading something you like, the updates maybe slow but it is worth it...well in my opinion it is ^^,
 
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I'm VERY confused. Did Allen came back to his senses? Or was it Nea the whole entire chapter?!! I'M CONFUSED T_T
 
Aug 5, 2012 11:49 AM

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allen is getting younger? he hasn't aged? this is a some need infomation
 
Aug 5, 2012 2:23 PM

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This whole thing is getting way too convoluted...
 
Aug 11, 2012 12:58 PM

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So confused.

I wonder if Kanda realized that was Apocryphos.
 
Aug 16, 2012 4:53 AM

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So the 14th is basically in control but he's letting everyone think Allen is still around. Seems Timcanpy has mixed allegiances between the 14th and Allen too.
 
Aug 26, 2012 3:41 PM

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I thought it was really funny how the science dept.
the art style changes, seems like if she was in a rush, I mean the blushes and the expressions were different and it felt rushed reading it too.
Poor Timcanpy, why is he crying.
Kanda becoming FALLEN NOOOOOOO!!! T-T
oh crap that guy is there too Apo.
Allen's hair is so long now I love it!!!
 
Aug 29, 2012 7:44 PM

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The art has really been taking a hit recently, very little detail, very little filling. Wonder what's up
 
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