| Hilarious. My post was written 4 weeks ago, and you're only responding to it now. It's almost like you're looking for the right time to post a response without me noticing. Wishy said: So you think that my word is strong enough to declare what is real and what's not? Even when talking about a series@subjetive topic? Amazing, I didn't know I was so important. No, you simply don't understand basic words. If you still don't get it, feel free to re-read the very post you quoted, and visit the dictionary.com links. They'll explain the difference between "fact" and "opinion" (this entire topic) in terms even you can understand. Wishy said: And yes, english isn't my main language, it is expected to see mistakes in my posts. It's not my original language either, but what does that have to do with anything? Wishy said: Instead of insulting me and everyone who says DN is over-rated, could you try to say WHY is it over-rated? No, I didn't insult you for saying DN is overrated, but for not understanding the difference between a "fact" and an "opinion". And since I DON'T believe DN is overrated, but is in fact an excellent anime series, why would I give reasons for it being overrated? Have you actually bothered reading anyone else's posts in this topic? Furthermore, isn't the onus on you to formulate cogent arguments for your position? Right now, you're just flailing your arms and screaming "DN IS OVERRATED! DN IS OVERRATED!" without producing a single reason. Which, oddly enough, makes Death Note's position as a fantastic series that much stronger. Even the haters can't come up with any real arguments against its quality. |
ShaolinRibiero said: Furthermore, isn't the onus on you to formulate cogent arguments for your position? Right now, you're just flailing your arms and screaming "DN IS OVERRATED! DN IS OVERRATED!" without producing a single reason. Which, oddly enough, makes Death Note's position as a fantastic series that much stronger. Even the haters can't come up with any real arguments against its quality. The impossibly flat characters is the largest beef I'd have with it. However fabulous Lights antics, he's just... flat. However entertaining Ls eccentricities, he's just... flat. Harem protagonists are more credible than the crew of shallow cardboard cutouts that make up DNs cast. Other than that, it's most fine a series. |
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| I dont believe it's overrated. i have to agree that the second arc (ep26+) sucked, but the epicness of the first 10 episodes makes up for it. |
Kaiserpingvin said: The impossibly flat characters is the largest beef I'd have with it. However fabulous Lights antics, he's just... flat. However entertaining Ls eccentricities, he's just... flat. Harem protagonists are more credible than the crew of shallow cardboard cutouts that make up DNs cast. Other than that, it's most fine a series. First of all, you gave Death Note an 8/10. Does that even qualify as being any kind of a hater? I love all the shows I give an 8 to. They're awesome. I'd imagine it would be the same for you. You can't call a show overrated when its average rating is less than a point higher than your own rating of it. (And even that small difference is due to inflated average ratings than anything) Secondly, I won't argue with you about the characters on the show. In some sense, you're even right. Trouble is, you're using an unrealistic standard upon which to judge the show. Name me an anime with characters who aren't, as you put it, "flat". Out of my 124 completed series, I can probably come up with about 10 examples, at most. With the limited format and style preferred by anime series, and the lack of inner detail of the medium relative to books, it's extremely difficult to make the characters deep. Worse, it's irrelevant. That's not what "Death Note" is about at all. |
Kaiserpingvin said: The impossibly flat characters is the largest beef I'd have with it. However fabulous Lights antics, he's just... flat. However entertaining Ls eccentricities, he's just... flat. Harem protagonists are more credible than the crew of shallow cardboard cutouts that make up DNs cast. Other than that, it's most fine a series. i don't quite see how his character is flat. also, a definition of flat pl0x? |
ShaolinRibiero said: First of all, you gave Death Note an 8/10. Does that even qualify as being any kind of a hater? I love all the shows I give an 8 to. They're awesome. I'd imagine it would be the same for you. You can't call a show overrated when its average rating is less than a point higher than your own rating of it. (And even that small difference is due to inflated average ratings than anything) Secondly, I won't argue with you about the characters on the show. In some sense, you're even right. Trouble is, you're using an unrealistic standard upon which to judge the show. Name me an anime with characters who aren't, as you put it, "flat". Out of my 124 completed series, I can probably come up with about 10 examples, at most. With the limited format and style preferred by anime series, and the lack of inner detail of the medium relative to books, it's extremely difficult to make the characters deep. Worse, it's irrelevant. That's not what "Death Note" is about at all. Yeah, 8/10 is pretty darn high. I just pointed out that the flatness of the characters is an actual lack in the series, something you asked for. I didn't call it overrated - I don't think it is, the only thing I can think of is that I am most annoyed that "psychological" is one of the largest tags, but that's neither here nor there. And yes, I agree, anime is full of incredibly flat characters - that doesn't make it any less detracting an attribute (or privation). Death Note has particularly flat characters though - they really are merely single-word-personalities, no complexity to their psyche or goals whatsoever. They never waver, never doubt, never exhibit any trait that is even remotely surprising once you've seen them for a couple of scenes. Even Mai-HiME was more complex (more - it's ridiculously flat, too, of course). As for if it's important or not for DN... I dunno. It depends on personal preferences, of course. I'd certainly have been more interested in some more complexity and lifelikeness with the characters. It'd be distracting, perhaps, but done right it'd only add to the whole work. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: Yeah, 8/10 is pretty darn high. I just pointed out that the flatness of the characters is an actual lack in the series, something you asked for. I didn't call it overrated - I don't think it is, the only thing I can think of is that I am most annoyed that "psychological" is one of the largest tags, but that's neither here nor there. And yes, I agree, anime is full of incredibly flat characters - that doesn't make it any less detracting an attribute (or privation). Death Note has particularly flat characters though - they really are merely single-word-personalities, no complexity to their psyche or goals whatsoever. They never waver, never doubt, never exhibit any trait that is even remotely surprising once you've seen them for a couple of scenes. Not true. Light's hesitation in Episode 7 before killing off Ray Penbar's wife, L's friendship with Light despite knowledge of his true identity, etc. There were a lot of details that gave the characters additional depth. Really, I just think people are annoyed that Light isn't given more motivation for his actions. Like a baby sister who was killed by kidnappers when he was a child. (Yeah, something like the transparent, emotionally manipulative bullshit in Code Geass) But he lives in a stable family, has no hardships, and little time is spent on his reasons for cleansing the world. And that was a brilliant decision. It allowed the series to showcase individual struggle and its tremendous degree of tension with as few distractions as possible. The characters serve their purpose. They're not brilliantly deep or three-dimensional, but in the context of anime, they don't stand out as being under-developed, and are excellent tools for the main action more than anything. |
| I think him growing up in a completely stable family gave a lot more reasons for being the magnificent sociopath he was than any trauma could'ave: none of those possible venues were even remotely addressed, though. And since it tried to portray a gritty world, and a lot of time was spent inside the characters' heads, it, at times, felt more as a lack than an artistic decision opting for focus on the marvelous plans. So anyway, I was just pointing out a possible complaint about the series, and the one which was responsible for Death Note not earning any greater a score than it did with me. I can imagine complaints being raised about the animation too - while the art was generally great, the animation was inconsistent. |
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| No, not overrated. I'd give it a 9/10, and that's pretty much the average rating it gets here on MAL. |
| Deathnote bored me from ep 1. X_X |
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| whats overated? |
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hounddog said: Yes. And I feel sad for people who think it's the best thing ever. Vouch Kaiserpingvin said: I think him growing up in a completely stable family gave a lot more reasons for being the magnificent sociopath he was than any trauma could'ave: none of those possible venues were even remotely addressed, though. And since it tried to portray a gritty world, and a lot of time was spent inside the characters' heads, it, at times, felt more as a lack than an artistic decision opting for focus on the marvelous plans. So anyway, I was just pointing out a possible complaint about the series, and the one which was responsible for Death Note not earning any greater a score than it did with me. I can imagine complaints being raised about the animation too - while the art was generally great, the animation was inconsistent. Can you even qualify that bolded statement? Otherwise, being a major in both psychology and philosophy I can tell you that what you're saying is complete bullshit. |
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mosdefind said: i don't think its overrated. its a good anime and it deserves the credit for being one too |
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Sin said: Kaiserpingvin said: I think him growing up in a completely stable family gave a lot more reasons for being the magnificent sociopath he was than any trauma could'ave: none of those possible venues were even remotely addressed, though. And since it tried to portray a gritty world, and a lot of time was spent inside the characters' heads, it, at times, felt more as a lack than an artistic decision opting for focus on the marvelous plans. Can you even qualify that bolded statement? Otherwise, being a major in both psychology and philosophy I can tell you that what you're saying is complete bullshit. Ah, damnit, I were about to write "a lot more interesting reasons". My fault there. |
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Dima said: I maybe the only one, but I think Death Note is definetly overrated. Don't understand me wrong DN is good, but not as good to cause such a hype. IMO the mafia arc was really boring and Near & mello aren't by far such a good oponent like L. The end was also really bad. I mean DN was a really original anime, but the end is standard. Thats a big part which isn't good at all. Most of DN is better that, but I won't forget the bad sides of DN and consider it as the best anime. There are better Animes. Agreed. Only some parts were outstanding. after that, it got extremely boring, yet people tried to delude themselves to thinking it's awesome, because everybody else said it was awesome, and the first part was awesome. |
| people say every good show is overrated. Death note definitely deserves the hype that it gets. |
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| DN is Overrated. It really started going downhill Misa showed up. Not to mention EP 27 - 37 Is where I start to despise the show. Light just became a giant asshole at the end. |
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| Lol, at least is better than anime these days |
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| If it wasn't around 2007-2009, after several years of hype and popularity it certainly has become overrated. Don't get me wrong here, it definitely is one of the best anime out there and can stand its ground, but the way people treat it like it's "THE" best anime is what makes it overrated. Also, if the story hadn't gone downhill after L's death, I wouldn't be saying it is overrated at all. This is one of those anime that although is overrated but not to a very large degree and deserves a high percentage of the praise it gets. |
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| lol no it isn't it deserves all the hype it got |
| Filthy 2007 anime hipsters think they're hot shit |
simo000 said: No, not overrated. I'd give it a 9/10, and that's pretty much the average rating it gets here on MAL. hello my 17 year old self. looking good. your grammar was better back then. your opinion on death note wasn't bad, though you didn't back it up with anything, in other words what a POINTLESS fucking post. much like this one |
| is one of the few anime i can call it a Masterpiece in this shitty industry |
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| Well, just like your favorite anime. |
| Why the thread necromancy ? TheBuddahman said: Legend of Galactic Heroes is what you're looking for my friend.How could the anime with objectively the best mind battles out there (i guess) be underrated? However, if you think that Usogui, a psychological warfare manga that is so superior to Death Note that it makes it look like a dumb show, is quite unknown then yes, Death Note could be viewed as overrated. |
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| People don't know what greatness is if they think this is overrated. Its one of the best Anime/Manga ever made |
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