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Oct 9, 2008 7:13 PM

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WHY IS EVERYONE BLAMING REIRA?????????
explain because I'm lost
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Oct 10, 2008 10:15 AM

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girliegirl625 said:

Ren is takumi child. while this whole accident happen hachi will give birth to Sa-chan and sleep with takumi and have Ren before they actually break up.


Yes, little Ren is Takumi and Hachi's child, and Satcuki's brother. I rather think twin brother. Hachi didn't wanted to know the sex of the baby, so the doctor didn't tell her that she will have twins.
 
Oct 10, 2008 11:19 AM

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Bi said:
girliegirl625 said:

Ren is takumi child. while this whole accident happen hachi will give birth to Sa-chan and sleep with takumi and have Ren before they actually break up.


Yes, little Ren is Takumi and Hachi's child, and Satcuki's brother. I rather think twin brother. Hachi didn't wanted to know the sex of the baby, so the doctor didn't tell her that she will have twins.


I've been thinking the same thing. Twins, they seem to be of the same age. Because she would have to get pregnant almost immediately after her birth to have the second child so near in age. I just don't see that happening at all. Not with the way their relationship is heading.
 
Oct 10, 2008 3:38 PM

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WHY IS EVERYONE BLAMING REIRA????????????
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Oct 10, 2008 4:28 PM

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girliegirl625 said:
WHY IS EVERYONE BLAMING REIRA????????????


Because Ren was headed to her mother's house to take her back. She ran away for his sake, you remember?

If he wasn't going for Reira he would be in Osaka with Nana and there wouldn't be paparazzi following him and waiting for his second meeting with Reira to take picture and make a story. Also, the heavy snow was only in their home town, where is more colder through the whole year, but in Osaka was only raining. If Reira hadn't escaped, nothing of this would have happened.
 
Oct 10, 2008 8:41 PM

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But she escaped for his sake so.... i don't entirely blame her. she is going to be the problem between Hachi and Takumi i'm sure that i blame her for.(if it true) i don't entirely blame her i blame their director 2
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Oct 11, 2008 2:57 PM

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what's more sad than Ren dying is the fact that he died alone in the snow, basically abandoned. just like how he was as a child ><
i guess that's the theme of how "human nature is to be lonely" at it's climax
poor Ren...i always wanted a happy ending for him and Nana, but i guess her pride and ambition got in the way whereas he was willing to throw away everything for her ;_;
facasdfk . this should be a lesson to all of us to treasure true love :3

such a sad chapter
 
Oct 11, 2008 5:20 PM

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girliegirl625 said:
But she escaped for his sake so.... i don't entirely blame her. she is going to be the problem between Hachi and Takumi i'm sure that i blame her for.(if it true) i don't entirely blame her i blame their director 2

She could have escaped earlier for his sake, but she stayed so long just so she could be with Takumi. And I doubt she would have escaped at all if she didn't get all angry with him.
 
Oct 11, 2008 9:25 PM

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karkarr said:
what's more sad than Ren dying is the fact that he died alone in the snow, basically abandoned. just like how he was as a child ><
i guess that's the theme of how "human nature is to be lonely" at it's climax
poor Ren...i always wanted a happy ending for him and Nana, but i guess her pride and ambition got in the way whereas he was willing to throw away everything for her ;_;
facasdfk . this should be a lesson to all of us to treasure true love :3

such a sad chapter

I couldn't agree more with everything you posted.
 
Oct 12, 2008 9:50 AM

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mommyslttlmnstr said:
Bi said:
girliegirl625 said:

Ren is takumi child. while this whole accident happen hachi will give birth to Sa-chan and sleep with takumi and have Ren before they actually break up.


Yes, little Ren is Takumi and Hachi's child, and Satcuki's brother. I rather think twin brother. Hachi didn't wanted to know the sex of the baby, so the doctor didn't tell her that she will have twins.


I've been thinking the same thing. Twins, they seem to be of the same age. Because she would have to get pregnant almost immediately after her birth to have the second child so near in age. I just don't see that happening at all. Not with the way their relationship is heading.



You guys are forgetting that Takumi slept with Reira while Hachi was still pregnant. Ren could very well be Reira's son, which would explain why he was in England with Takumi and Reira.

*edit*

and it would also explain why he looks like Shin a little bit :> but that's getting into some weird theories.
 
Oct 12, 2008 6:30 PM

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The thought of Ren died make me cry too but then I wanted to go back to last chapters because sth doesn't make sense to me and read the future parts again, in the chapter 42(page 18) where the future parts began, Nobu asks if Ren will get there and Hachi says he wil be there before the fireworks and Yasu says "he always take his time, that guy" and with not sad reminiscencing face... and also when they get the news about where Nana is, England, when Yasu and Shin talking in the car about that Hachi thinks the man who put the informations in the mailbox is Ren, Shin takes it as a joke but Yasu say maybe so and Shin gets surprised (Chapter 66, page 20-21), I don't think Ren is dead I think Takumi exaggrate it too much or I don't know maybe Ren wants to use this opportunity to disguise himself and make an aggreement with the reporter who comes to save Ren( for the other two I hope God will curse them) or I don't know sth else... so everybody thinks he is dead and Haci gives her son the name Ren but after sometime he showed himself and etc

I am desperately trying to bring Ren back here, but I can't be wrong it doesn't make sense as it is now. In the parts that I mentioned I don't think that they actually refer to little Ren.

and for the upcoming chapters I think the present parts end when Ren disguises himself and disappears (of course in my opinion) and after hearing Ren is dead Nana escapes, Hachi gives birth to her children.. and the future parts will begin...

And also for the little Ren, he is Hachi and Takumi's and I think he is twin brother of Sa-Chan and absolutely not Reira's. because Reira also mentioned that she hates everything Takumi has but she couldn't hate little Ren because he looks like just like Ren.

And also I am one of the few supporters of Hachi - Takumi couple despite he is being a cheater he treats Hachi differently and treasures her...
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Oct 12, 2008 6:59 PM

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Tomoe said:

And also I am one of the few supporters of Hachi - Takumi couple despite he is being a cheater he treats Hachi differently and treasures her...


Can you really treasure someone when you're sleeping with that many people? D:

I prefer Nana and Nobuo, they seem more natural.
 
Oct 12, 2008 7:21 PM

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Can you really treasure someone when you're sleeping with that many people? D:

I prefer Nana and Nobuo, they seem more natural.


but he treats her differently than other women, what he really wants is a family and he is aware of that having a family can happen only with Hachi, but of course yeah I can't understand the thing mainly between Reira and Takumi but when he gets back to home he becomes totally different and gentle man, I think he actually goes back and forth between his work and the people in it on the otherside his home. his personality changes. Maybe it is to escape from whatever he feels about Reira. I don't know but actually I like very similar guy like Takumi not as much as he is of course, so then this may be the reason why I support Hachi and Takumi, I prefer the difficulty... Maybe I am a fool but you can't choose the person to love, right=)

whatever don't listen to me, I said a lot that is not about the manga=)
 
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Tomoe said:
ScrumYummy said:


Can you really treasure someone when you're sleeping with that many people? D:

I prefer Nana and Nobuo, they seem more natural.


but he treats her differently than other women, what he really wants is a family and he is aware of that having a family can happen only with Hachi, but of course yeah I can't understand the thing mainly between Reira and Takumi but when he gets back to home he becomes totally different and gentle man, I think he actually goes back and forth between his work and the people in it on the otherside his home. his personality changes. Maybe it is to escape from whatever he feels about Reira. I don't know but actually I like very similar guy like Takumi not as much as he is of course, so then this may be the reason why I support Hachi and Takumi, I prefer the difficulty... Maybe I am a fool but you can't choose the person to love, right=)

whatever don't listen to me, I said a lot that is not about the manga=)


I don't doubt that Takumi has feelings for Hachi, and that he does care for her. But he has a powerful connection to Reira. There is history there. There is also at least one other woman that he sees on a regular basis and obviously has feelings for. In that case, I don't think that he is the best person for Hatchi.

And actually, it's interesting that you compare your Hatchi/Takumi fandom to your real-life situation. Because the guy I married is a lot like Nobu. XD So maybe I relate to Hatchi/Nobu best because I see a reflection of myself and my husband in that relationship.

We've been together for seven years and married for three, by the way :D So I dunno, I think I would support "natural" relationships over superficial ones (I'm not saying that your situation is superficial--I don't know anything about your situation, so I can't say anything about it--but I feel that Hatchi's relationship with Takumi is superficial).
 
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ScrumYummy said:
mommyslttlmnstr said:
Bi said:
girliegirl625 said:

Ren is takumi child. while this whole accident happen hachi will give birth to Sa-chan and sleep with takumi and have Ren before they actually break up.


Yes, little Ren is Takumi and Hachi's child, and Satcuki's brother. I rather think twin brother. Hachi didn't wanted to know the sex of the baby, so the doctor didn't tell her that she will have twins.


I've been thinking the same thing. Twins, they seem to be of the same age. Because she would have to get pregnant almost immediately after her birth to have the second child so near in age. I just don't see that happening at all. Not with the way their relationship is heading.



You guys are forgetting that Takumi slept with Reira while Hachi was still pregnant. Ren could very well be Reira's son, which would explain why he was in England with Takumi and Reira.

*edit*

and it would also explain why he looks like Shin a little bit :> but that's getting into some weird theories.


I suppose you could be right but I really don't think thats the case. In chapter 74 when Naoki suggests letting Ren stay in London, Takumi replies that Nana is going to want to take him back during summer break. Naoki then comments back on Ren's hardships because of is parents. Then some pages ahead Ren refers to Reira as Reira and Takumi as daddy within the same breath. Why would he speak of his father with that kind of endearment but not his mother, if thats the case? Even the way Reira speaks of Ren later in the same chapter. It doesn't seem as though she's speaking of her own child.

It isn't just that but other chapters as well that mention Ren. They're still vague enough that what you say could be possible. I just think it's unlikely is all. I guess we'll have to wait and see though. ^_^
 
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Wait a sec...

 
Oct 16, 2008 11:20 AM

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Wait a sec...


I think the 'Ren' they're talking about is Takumi's kid....? Not Nana's Ren.


 
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Wait a sec...


I think the 'Ren' they're talking about is Takumi's kid....? Not Nana's Ren.


oh, yeah...

 
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I don't doubt that Takumi has feelings for Hachi, and that he does care for her. But he has a powerful connection to Reira. There is history there. There is also at least one other woman that he sees on a regular basis and obviously has feelings for. In that case, I don't think that he is the best person for Hatchi.

And actually, it's interesting that you compare your Hatchi/Takumi fandom to your real-life situation. Because the guy I married is a lot like Nobu. XD So maybe I relate to Hatchi/Nobu best because I see a reflection of myself and my husband in that relationship.

We've been together for seven years and married for three, by the way :D So I dunno, I think I would support "natural" relationships over superficial ones (I'm not saying that your situation is superficial--I don't know anything about your situation, so I can't say anything about it--but I feel that Hatchi's relationship with Takumi is superficial).


well yes maybe you are right, I got confused all the week and now I am reading your post, all the things get cloudy again... maybe you are right natural relationships are better, because superficial ones begin to make me tired... guys like Takumi don't change whatever you do, or whatever feelings they have, they only thinks best for themselves, seems caring but not showing, maybe it is time for me to search my Nobu in my life=)

by the way, you are one lucky woman that you have a guy like Nobu for 7 years, I hope it lasts forever=)

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kalindiana said:
Wait a sec...


I think the 'Ren' they're talking about is Takumi's kid....? Not Nana's Ren.


oh, yeah...



I thought like that too, but I don't wanna be convinced=(

 
Oct 19, 2008 12:23 PM

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Tomoe said:

I thought like that too, but I don't wanna be convinced=(



What I understand about that comparison to Santa is like they're speaking of 2 things that don't exist, but Hachi could still believe in. Kinda like saying 'Ren mailed this to me' would be the same as 'Santa mailed these to me'. Or maybe even 'Daimaou mailed these to me'. Am I making any sense here?
 
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What I understand about that comparison to Santa is like they're speaking of 2 things that don't exist, but Hachi could still believe in. Kinda like saying 'Ren mailed this to me' would be the same as 'Santa mailed these to me'. Or maybe even 'Daimaou mailed these to me'. Am I making any sense here?


well of course you are right, but Yasu's reply "maybe so" here makes Shin surprised, maybe both Yasu and Hachi knows something or suspicious about something, I don't know, I think that because of this conversation maybe there will be a surprise that will make us happy...
 
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goomy said:
Tomoe said:

I thought like that too, but I don't wanna be convinced=(



What I understand about that comparison to Santa is like they're speaking of 2 things that don't exist, but Hachi could still believe in. Kinda like saying 'Ren mailed this to me' would be the same as 'Santa mailed these to me'. Or maybe even 'Daimaou mailed these to me'. Am I making any sense here?


yeah, i think you're right.

 
Oct 31, 2008 2:52 PM

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i just want to cry..
REN << i never liked him that much.. but poor nana..
no one will know that that black cat that he saw nana in is the cause for his death..
i wonder what was that sound that nobou heard is like ><!!
i guess the manga is almost ending..


 
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the second half of this chapter was so much more depressing than the first, goodness. I guess it just goes downhill from here!
 
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Omg, I Can't accept ren's dead, but It seems a fine episode very realistic, but I don't like the drama about the death in birthday's nana, It seems like a soap opera.

After all, I think, Nana will want only to see the face of hatchi, she is the only one who is her "familiar" by the conecction in their friendship (like sisters?) well.

If this chapter would have a ending (anime), it will be (i think) 78 (first part): the song "Winter Sleep"
[It keeps coming back to me, I remember this pain
It spreads across my eyes
Everything is dull...]

And the 78 (second part): the song: "Kuroi Namida"
[I can't count the nights
When I've hoped tomorrow won't come...
I've lost my dreams and my love
Lashed by the rain
I'm crying , crying crying...]

Well I think that those songs fit at all with the chapters.

I hope that NANA and Hatchi will meet because they will need each other.
Great episode.

that's all.
 
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Seems like Reira lost whatever little sense she had in her head after Ren's death. I also suspected little Ren as Reira's and Takumi's, and I still have that suspicion. Why would little Ren love spending more time in London, playing guitar for Reira than being with his sister and mother? Here's my theory:

Reira went nuts after Ren's death, was pregnant [thanks Takumi or possibly Shin...], gave birth but she is nuts. Including little Ren, who knows this is his mother, just look at the way he gazes at her http://www.onemanga.com/Nana/70/21/

Because of this, little Ren was raised with Sa-chan, as Hachi's own. Takumi is a selfish bastard. He could have let Hachi be happy with Nobu knowing full well that in the end, he would chose Reira above everyone else. That's why he is in London with her instead of with Hachi. If they do divorce, I hope Nobu and Hachi happens.

Poor Nana though :ccc


 
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Wow this was really sad and heart breaking =(
We all knew this was going to happen but now that he's really dead it's .. something else. Ren was one of my fav characters ..
Reira is a bitch. She should just die already. And those fuc*in' reporters too.
 
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Kaoru23 said:
Wow this was really sad and heart breaking =(
We all knew this was going to happen but now that he's really dead it's .. something else. Ren was one of my fav characters ..
Reira is a bitch. She should just die already. And those fuc*in' reporters too.


Apparently there's a second part to this chapter, it's on onemanga now
http://www.onemanga.com/Nana/78.5/01/
*sigh*
Nana is one of those manga which are so addicting but depressing at the same time: (
And I agree with masamiakane, go HachiXNobu
 
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Seems like Reira lost whatever little sense she had in her head after Ren's death. I also suspected little Ren as Reira's and Takumi's, and I still have that suspicion. Why would little Ren love spending more time in London, playing guitar for Reira than being with his sister and mother? Here's my theory:

Reira went nuts after Ren's death, was pregnant [thanks Takumi or possibly Shin...], gave birth but she is nuts. Including little Ren, who knows this is his mother, just look at the way he gazes at her http://www.onemanga.com/Nana/70/21/

Because of this, little Ren was raised with Sa-chan, as Hachi's own. Takumi is a selfish bastard. He could have let Hachi be happy with Nobu knowing full well that in the end, he would chose Reira above everyone else. That's why he is in London with her instead of with Hachi. If they do divorce, I hope Nobu and Hachi happens.

Poor Nana though :ccc

I will go fucking ballistic if Reira becomes pregnant with Takumi's child. I'd go even crazier if Hachi ends up with Nobu. It's hard to say which couple I hate more: ReiraXShin, ReiraXTakumi, or HachiXNobu.

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Wow this was really sad and heart breaking =(
We all knew this was going to happen but now that he's really dead it's .. something else. Ren was one of my fav characters ..
Reira is a bitch. She should just die already. And those fuc*in' reporters too.

YES. Fucking Reira and those goddamn selfish reporters. I always knew she'd become a big problem as the story went on.
 
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what hurts the most is poor Yasu
who has KNOWN ren the longest
loved him like his own brother
given everything to him in hopes that he will be happy
and in the end watches ren die
its so heartwrenching to hear Yasu say
forgive me i dont know what words i can say to save you
i cried and cried and cried
 
Jan 28, 2009 4:08 AM

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Why?!!!!?
I didn't think Ren would actually be killed off, but I thought wrong. T ^ T

He was killed by fame and fate haunting him, slippery snow on the way to his mothertown and Nana-black cat narcotic delusion.
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There’s no way this will end happily now…

The only possible happy-end we have left is Nana reuniting Hachi and co. They will meet of course, but their future relationship is still vague.
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I really don't know what to say. I knew Ren would die eventually, but now it happened, it's so hard to believe. It's like he will come back later, even they saw his corpse but I still can't believe. Actually I couldn't read for a while, just closed the page and cried. Ren shouldn't have died, it's so... Argh! I think I hate Ai Yazawa now. Why did she do that? Really, it's really hard to read from now on. It makes me feel depressed. -_-" I don't think manga will end happily now unless Ren returns which is impossible.
 
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FUCK. I had a bad feeling from the start when it came to Ren, since he basically looks like a prettier version of Sid Vicious. And then when it turns out Ren was the name of Takumi's kid, oh it was too obvious then. I was hoping that I was wrong. FUCK FUCK FUCK.
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why did ren has to die die he's was an amazing character????????????????????????????????? he's the coolest character ever. he's so handsome, devoted, loyal, super cute, adorable, funny, fun, interesting, exiciting, so good looking, talented and sooooooooooooo in love with nana no one will ever love her as much as him.
 
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I cried so much. Ren was brought up in some of the future chapters, so I didn't see it coming... I thought he would just be in a coma or something, not dead. I can't believe it. Just... wow. I never thought a manga would make me feel this way. I cried pretty much throughout but it really got me when Yasu started crying.
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fuck everything bro!! man it cant possibly be a happy ending now and if reir wasnt crazy before than she's fucking insane now
 
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Even with all the foreshadowing it was still heartbreaking to see it finally happen. Especially now when Nana is already feeling hopelessly alone :(

I guess the moment I realized Ren was going to die was when I realized the Ren in the future was not the same Ren as from the past. Usually when a child is named after an adult it is to honor their memory.
 
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NOOO REN!!!! :'(
DAMN!!!!
 
May 7, 2012 11:21 AM

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Damn I had a feeling he was going to die, but it was sad to see him go like that.
 
Jul 9, 2012 11:30 AM

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Oh God, Nobu's guitar-hearing. I can't quite believe it.


Cliche isn't it?
Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone
 
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Honestly when I first read this chapter where Ren died I cried...and cried. I knew it was coming I just couldn't beleive it...x'c
That awkward moment when you're watching yaoi then all of a sudden someone walks in...
 
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I think lil Ren is Hachi and Nobu kid cuz his hair look blonde and who else have blonde hair beside Nobu. Also when Hachi ask about lil Ren on the phone Takumi look irritated and hang up on her. I think he is still mad at her for having a kid with Nobu that's why his is cold to her in the future, and Hachi friend also mention that they should get a divorce. Even though Takumi accepted that kid, doesn't means he forgive Hachi.
 
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;____; Started crying because of Hachi. The guilt of knowing that she could have stopped the death of her best friend's lover- her feeling responsible for that. It's a huge weight to bear. Then started crying harder when I saw Shin crying in that position right before Hachi ran to embrace him. Teared up more seeing Nobu and Takumi seeing his body and that his body was destroyed because of the impact. Then upon seeing them meet up with Nana, Yasu crying and then Nana saying that time stopped for her right before she turned 21. Her lover died the night before her birthday. Her life has really sucked. ;___; Now I'm wondering how their last conversation was again.

I love this series, it's so real.



"There is someone that I must meet again. And until that day... not even Death himself can take my life away!"
 
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