Eureka Seven AO Episode 10 Discussion
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| 5 out of 5: Loved it! | 19 | 28.79% | |
| 4 out of 5: Liked it | 20 | 30.30% | |
| 3 out of 5: It was OK | 13 | 19.70% | |
| 2 out of 5: Disliked it | 4 | 6.06% | |
| 1 out of 5: Hated it | 10 | 15.15% |
Voters: 66
#41
06-22-12, 10:56 PM
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with Rebecca is stating to be a love, hate situation, sometime she cool and sometime a all out bitch. im stating to like the chief more and more each time you can really see how passionate he really is toward protecting those kids Ao to me is not a likeable lead 1st he's way to badyish, one minute hes traumatized then one minute hes fine. 2nd he let em mess with nirvash something eureka wouldnt let anyone do. 3rd he just has nothing going for em right to make me like em. can someone explain why now only kid can fly ifo's, wasnt like that in the one, so why flip the script all of the sudden? i will keep watch just for the series sake. |
#42
06-22-12, 11:29 PM
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Offline Joined: May 2012 Posts: 41 |
Ahri said: Rykimaruh said: To be honest I'm starting to like Chief Ivica more than the rest of he cast. Your avatar..... lol I thought the same thing. and @ dangerr, whenever I read your comments in my head I hear them in pride/wrath's voice. It's perfect I hope this series starts having some interesting plot events soon. |
#43
06-22-12, 11:47 PM
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Offline Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 342 |
lilmp89 said: As for what the American military was doing. I saw it as all politics. Nothing to do with trying to beat it, just to get information and diplomacy (at least with Pied Piper). The more troops that were lost, the more Pied Piper would be willing to accept because of their own morals (which don't see to be completely clear just yet). That's actually a very good way to summarize the situation, and I love it; goes to show the kind of corruption and bullshit Gen Bleu has to maneuver themselves around in order to get anything done, all the while avoiding to snare themselves into any external schemes that could bring about their downfall. Vuyo said: . and @ dangerr, whenever I read your comments in my head I hear them in pride/wrath's voice. It's perfect Haha, I'll take that as a compliment - Bradley is one of my favorite characters/antagonists. |
#44
06-23-12, 12:33 AM
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Offline Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 86 |
It's time to uphold my promise to provide more juicy analysis concerning E7 Ao. Let's take a stab at it. There have been many questions concerning Ao's universe and its inconsistencies. I think one way to look at them is from the writer's point of view. As evidenced so far, E7 Ao wants to make social commentary while maintaining within the confines of this fantasy world and engaging the viewer with some mecha action. What messages does E7 Ao want us to get? 1) A sense of frustration imbues much of Ao's adult world like our frustration with our politicians and elites. Truth embodies this frustration. He does what we want to do--lash out at the world with hopes that someone will eventually understand. His actions make much more sense with this perspective. In the previous episode, Truth manipulates Nakamura, the only radical in the Japanese Military, in order to gain an ally for his cause. In this episode, Truth hopes that senseless death of civilians would wake America up to its misunderstandings. Even his attack on Generation Bleu can viewed as his frustration at the only organization that could do something, but is doing nothing. 2) An emphasis on what matters without all the necessary cobwebs of life is best symbolized by the children of the sky. Unlike adults with ravaging biases, only love and life matter for children. The children of E7 Ao are best suited to bring about that clarity to the adults through their piloting of IFOs. Thus, it would only make sense if children pilot IFOs, not adults. What evidence do I have? In this episode, Ivica mentions how the children are the pipers, leading him into conflict, not the other way around. In the previous episodes, we have always seen children, especially Ao, acting against the scheming adults' orders in order to save lives of people. 3) Generation change is crucial for any group or organization to survive and thrive. On Okinawa, it isn't the people in charge that deal with the Secret situation, rather, it's Gazelle and his company along with Ao and Naru that really get to the bottom of this conflict. In a sense, the rest of Okinawa's inhabitants have survived because of its newest generation's timely action. The same is true with Generation Bleu, with emphasis on newer generations. This episode further cements the need for generational change with America as an example. Even though America has IFOs, it is unwilling to let its children take over. As a result, the older generation tried to destroy the Secret and failed miserably. Again, the children save the day. In addition, I do not believe that E7 Ao is just another Mecha/Romance series like E7. I would also characterize it as a mystery. We have no clue what Truth intentions are; we can only deduce from his actions. Just like in a mystery, we are given characterization of the many side characters. Even the major conflict of this story, what is a secret/scrub coral, is slowing being revealed. Don't you feel that every episode is answering a few questions while posing many more questions like a good mystery? |
#45
06-23-12, 1:48 AM
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Offline Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 1877 |
Ao kinda lost it and gained it backa bit to soon, lol but look at all dat Quakers oats and Glad in that shopping mall! |
#46
06-23-12, 1:48 AM
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Offline Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 38 |
The most interesting thing about this show is you gotta remember they're not on Earth, the first series was on Earth. |
#47
06-23-12, 2:24 AM
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Offline Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 342 |
s2012k1993 said: It's time to uphold my promise to provide more juicy analysis concerning E7 Ao. Let's take a stab at it. 1) A sense of frustration imbues much of Ao's adult world like our frustration with our politicians and elites. Truth embodies this frustration. He does what we want to do--lash out at the world with hopes that someone will eventually understand. His actions make much more sense with this perspective. In the previous episode, Truth manipulates Nakamura, the only radical in the Japanese Military, in order to gain an ally for his cause. In this episode, Truth hopes that senseless death of civilians would wake America up to its misunderstandings. Even his attack on Generation Bleu can viewed as his frustration at the only organization that could do something, but is doing nothing. That's actually an interesting way of looking at it, and it does indeed make sense from this perspective. However, I think you're giving the writers too much credit on this front, as I doubt they intended his actions to be as nuanced and interpretive as you seem to be subscribing to. Still, I hope I'm wrong here, as that summarization of his actions really do add depth to his character. s2012k1993 said: 2) An emphasis on what matters without all the necessary cobwebs of life is best symbolized by the children of the sky. Unlike adults with ravaging biases, only love and life matter for children. The children of E7 Ao are best suited to bring about that clarity to the adults through their piloting of IFOs. Thus, it would only make sense if children pilot IFOs, not adults. What evidence do I have? In this episode, Ivica mentions how the children are the pipers, leading him into conflict, not the other way around. In the previous episodes, we have always seen children, especially Ao, acting against the scheming adults' orders in order to save lives of people. Again, I like your thematic interpretation of child pilots, and do believe it holds some credence towards their presence. No matter how good of a reason that can be given, however, it is undisputably a tired trope in the mecha genre, and unless it's given a good reason, will only induce eye-rolling from us jaded connoisseurs of such. Thus far, we lack that good reason, or even a reason at all; people are frustrated not knowing the technical explanation, despite whatever thematic relevance it may bear. I'm still holding out on this point, though. s2012k1993 said: In addition, I do not believe that E7 Ao is just another Mecha/Romance series like E7. I would also characterize it as a mystery. We have no clue what Truth intentions are; we can only deduce from his actions. Just like in a mystery, we are given characterization of the many side characters. Even the major conflict of this story, what is a secret/scrub coral, is slowing being revealed. Don't you feel that every episode is answering a few questions while posing many more questions like a good mystery? Regarding the mystery element, I agree: I believe it's actually one of the greatest strengths this series has going for it (as well as the original). A sign of good storytelling is to deliberately give the audience something vague to chew on, instilling subtleties, and not being afraid to withhold from spoon-feeding your plot. Sloppy, mechanical exposition seems to be standard fare anymore not only in the anime industry, but entertainment at large - It's one of the great reasons I'm willing to overlook some of Ao's glaring flaws more than I typically would with other properties, as it has a genuine propensity for nuanced storytelling. That is not to say that it's perfect, however, as it's built a fairly comfortable routine with its monster-of-the-week format, which has stifled other more interesting routes such a story could be told. To be honest, I've been more impressed with the background conflicts and various subplots than I have thus far with the relatively unsubstantiated main story, though it seems it'll be kicking into gear here soon enough. |
#48
06-23-12, 3:56 AM
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Offline Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 86 |
Dangerr said: s2012k1993 said: It's time to uphold my promise to provide more juicy analysis concerning E7 Ao. Let's take a stab at it. 1) A sense of frustration imbues much of Ao's adult world like our frustration with our politicians and elites. Truth embodies this frustration. He does what we want to do--lash out at the world with hopes that someone will eventually understand. His actions make much more sense with this perspective. In the previous episode, Truth manipulates Nakamura, the only radical in the Japanese Military, in order to gain an ally for his cause. In this episode, Truth hopes that senseless death of civilians would wake America up to its misunderstandings. Even his attack on Generation Bleu can viewed as his frustration at the only organization that could do something, but is doing nothing. That's actually an interesting way of looking at it, and it does indeed make sense from this perspective. However, I think you're giving the writers too much credit on this front, as I doubt they intended his actions to be as nuanced and interpretive as you seem to be subscribing to. Still, I hope I'm wrong here, as that summarization of his actions really do add depth to his character. I guess the question is whether the nuance we are seeing in Truth deliberate or not? Given the director/storyboard is the same as the one for E7, I guess I'm more of an optimist. At least, in Truth's case, his actions just don't add up if one imagines him as a crazy all-powerful deux ex machina. The series will definitely takes its time in building up Truth (he already has a sympathizer in the under-developed Naru). I just hope he won't become another one of those misguided villains that the main character forces change upon. Dangerr said: Again, I like your thematic interpretation of child pilots, and do believe it holds some credence towards their presence. No matter how good of a reason that can be given, however, it is undisputably a tired trope in the mecha genre, and unless it's given a good reason, will only induce eye-rolling from us jaded connoisseurs of such. Thus far, we lack that good reason, or even a reason at all; people are frustrated not knowing the technical explanation, despite whatever thematic relevance it may bear. I'm still holding out on this point, though. The technical explanation really couldn't matter more. I mean, what rationale did Evangelion or its followers use? Though the trope is overused, I think E7 Ao is using it differently. Though the ultimate message might be to find hope in children, I think E7 Ao is challenging it before resting on it. We have seen adults manipulate these children and sometimes, the very same children act more mature than the actual adults. Remember Goldilocks or Christophe Blanc setting up Fleur and Ao to intervene without their knowing that the footage they saw was fake. I am probably analyzing too deep, but I really hope E7 Ao trudges along these lines. There is a lot of potential, and now that the halfway point is reaching, E7 Ao needs to start kicking hard. One thing, however, E7 Ao is finding very difficult navigating is its fans. I want this series to find its own niche, one that may be different from the original E7. Unfortunately, fans expect E7 Ao to not forget its mecha origins, thus, E7 Ao has to take this detour known as monster-of-the-week formula to inject some mecha scenes. It's a sad reality, but I think E7 Ao is finding the right balance between pleasing its fans and staying true to itself. Modified by s2012k1993, 06-23-12, 4:03 AM |
#49
06-23-12, 6:59 AM
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Offline Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 118 |
Am I the only one who finds it kinda good that we dont know what the end goal is ? Like in E7 we all knew it will prolly end up with renton and eureka being together, in ttgl we all knew simon is gonna become big, manly and save the world, in many shounens ( and all other animes for that matter ) we know what the goal is but in AO we dont. I find that kinda good... Im eager to see what will happen :O |
#50
06-23-12, 5:08 PM
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Offline Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 896 |
I really enjoyed this episode very great character development. It would be interesting if Renton was Truth but I highly doubt it. |
#51
06-23-12, 5:25 PM
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Offline Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 32 |
WOW! Finally this series has the E7 atmosphere :) However, it's still not there yet, and I feel like 24 episodes are far from enough. I love the way it's progressing, though the lack of upcoming episodes is scary. -Just Believe- |
#52
06-24-12, 5:08 AM
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Offline Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 640 |
I know this is all fictional, but bringing something up that's very close to history of Yugoslavia and giving it a twist seems very controversial AO growing so fast as a soldier and pilot in just 10 episodes can be questioned as well The action scenes were great though |
#53
06-24-12, 11:17 AM
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Offline Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 2197 |
I'm still watching this because of Noah the Sloth. LOL |
#54
06-24-12, 1:33 PM
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Offline Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 1299 |
Finally a bit of background on some of the characters (Ivica and Rebecka). Let's hope the series gives some more of these so we can get a better grip on the story (which is a bit confusing so far IMO). Foppery and whim is all I need in life |
#55
06-24-12, 10:56 PM
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Offline Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 947 |
ugh well im glad im not the only Eureka 7 fan that dislikes AO ,ugh what were they thinking,it has gotten alil better i supose i had it 2/10 in the begening |
#56
06-25-12, 12:59 AM
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Offline Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 7 |
I was a huge fan of Eureka Seven. It was unique and well paced. Unfortunately this show is anything but that. I've been watching it patiently, hoping it will break away from it's formulaic episode structure, but my faith has not been rewarded. Every episode they introduce a new secret, develop a character, elaborate on the political situation and drop some hints about the scub. For some reason they insist on following the same template for every episode lately. I swear this is exactly like House, if anyone has seen that show. I hope they will get away from this episode formula and start to really hammer away at the plot. At least toss us a bone, an appearance by Renton or Eureka. I'd even take that crazy white dog cat thing that Dominique and Anemone took care of. |
#57
06-25-12, 1:49 AM
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Offline Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 12 |
I finally get what's wrong with AO. In the original series we got a lot of background and personality clashes linked with adult characters . So all the childish nonesense form Renton was just one of the streams. It didn't irritate me. In this show it tends to be prevailing. I'm really glad that this episode showed some interesting flashbacks but it's way too little. The conflicts touched so far are mostly so uninteresting that the show seems to be a waste of time. Still it has great quality and some promising characters, but the're not being developed properly. It makes me sad :( |
#58
06-25-12, 9:48 AM
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Offline Joined: May 2012 Posts: 14 |
I have to agree with the assessment made by those suggesting the political commentary serves a role in the series more so in the way current situations in the political sense within nations where secrets are appearing are usually hindering Gen Bleu's efforts to operate effectively and complete their missions. While I won't go into the specifics for post length, I will say that each secret that appears more or less confirms my belief that secrets themselves are somehow replaying events that occurred in psalms of planets with the new secrets resembling the antibody coralians and how they attacked humans. The statement made by Truth suggesting secrets are not what we think they are gives more reason for me to believe this as well as his statement that human sacrifice will reveal the truth in secrets from the episode. In the next episode, it appears that either secrets or Truth himself will manipulate team Goldilocks into doing something but as of now I can only wonder what that is. If secrets possessed them then I can only think of them taking out the scub by themselves and their comrades from Gen Bleu will find themselves in a tricky situation as to how they can stop them. I am also interested in finding out how the battle between Truth and Ao will play out. Perhaps Truth will reveal some more information as to what is going on with either the setting or his motives for taking Naru. At this point Naru could be either Talho's or Anemone's daughter given that Anemone was special in that she had a natural connection with the coralians which might be expressed in her condition much like Naru's. This of course applies only if the events from the dream were true. |
#59
06-25-12, 1:14 PM
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Offline Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 65 |
025 said: I have to agree with the assessment made by those suggesting the political commentary serves a role in the series more so in the way current situations in the political sense within nations where secrets are appearing are usually hindering Gen Bleu's efforts to operate effectively and complete their missions. While I won't go into the specifics for post length, I will say that each secret that appears more or less confirms my belief that secrets themselves are somehow replaying events that occurred in psalms of planets with the new secrets resembling the antibody coralians and how they attacked humans. The statement made by Truth suggesting secrets are not what we think they are gives more reason for me to believe this as well as his statement that human sacrifice will reveal the truth in secrets from the episode. In the next episode, it appears that either secrets or Truth himself will manipulate team Goldilocks into doing something but as of now I can only wonder what that is. If secrets possessed them then I can only think of them taking out the scub by themselves and their comrades from Gen Bleu will find themselves in a tricky situation as to how they can stop them. I am also interested in finding out how the battle between Truth and Ao will play out. Perhaps Truth will reveal some more information as to what is going on with either the setting or his motives for taking Naru. At this point Naru could be either Talho's or Anemone's daughter given that Anemone was special in that she had a natural connection with the coralians which might be expressed in her condition much like Naru's. This of course applies only if the events from the dream were true. Interesting point you got there with Naru's connection with the previous cast. I do hope things go smoother as to explaining what is going, because right now it's just an Evangelion spin off with each episode a battle with an Ang--Secret... |
#60
06-26-12, 4:36 PM
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Offline Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 6 |
Overall not too shabby of an episode. However, I'm much more concerned about the future of this anime. I'd like to mention that Eureka 7 didn't really start revealing everything until about episode 27, which is roughly half way through the anime. However, I'm extremely excited for this next episode, because it looks like it's also going to be an episode that has a lot of reveals, what with team Goldilocks being manipulated, Truth's comment about "Secrets not being what you think they are," and how E7:AO too is beginning to enter it's second half. One thing that I still don't get is how this all ties together though. I realize that the Secrets are manifestations of the world of Psalms of Planets (Though the only direct connection I could make was the long board and the very first secret, and that was because of the picture in the other thread :|), but I'm still very much confused by this world, as it's obvious Ao is the child of Renton and Eureka, and in spite of a Corallians longer lifespan, for Ao to be alive, Renton would have to at least been alive during that period as well. The only thing I can think of is that somehow Eureka managed to return herself back to the scub corral somehow, and it is an alternate reality back before humans escaped Earth, which explains the time period and offers a simple explanation of how she could simply fall from the sky. I believe it's also implied that the Nirvash would be the basis for all of the Eureka 7 style tech that we see as well. Anyways, call me a sucker, but I really do hope that we get some references to Eureka 7. I respect that it is a different styled series that doesn't need cameos, but from what I've heard here, it's a sequel. I'd really like a few nods, because otherwise, it just seems like a spin off. For what it's worth, I actually enjoy this series, as it gives a more realistic insight to the politics and how secrets affect the global community. |


