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Actually, Mochizuki-sensei just forgot to include Gryphon (he'll be in the chapter when it is complied into volume format though). Here is a translation of here latest blog post (translation by me). I put it under a spoiler tag for length purposes:



And CielsLover, yes, that is exactly the reason why Jack disappeared. He won't be appearing for a while now.

@Talu Probably the same way he disappeared when he gave the shpeel about how Glen is alive when Oz and Alice came back from Cheshire's place. Jack seems to have complete control of Oz's body. o:
He left Oz back in control cause he was tired from releasing the chains.

wow. just wow. so many questions i wanted answered and FINALLY!! but i dont even remember how leo got there. i have to go back and reread what lead up to this arc. the flashbacks have been confusing as far as time in the present goes. and alice is such a BADASS, i loved her before but holy shit!

and can someone please throw oz a freaking bone here? this is so painful. like. wtf gil. come on

I love this chapter despite the fact that I was wrong on who killed Alice, I for one From the begining it was either Jack,or Glen let's face it they both want Lacie back. Suspected Vince but didn't wage him in.

But does it count when Jack forces Alice to switch the Abyss Alice? I say he killed her for the sake of switching and made her cry to kill herself or did Alice really did kill herself from Jack using her sister?

It was a weired choice but I think it was the only way out....Jack changed things forever.

Alice killed herself to prevent W. Alice from coming to this world since she'd help Jack by either destroying Glen's chains or giving more power to Oz since she didn't know what Jack had planned. So she basically wanted to protect Oz, she didn't want him to kill anyone anymore.
Not sure if Alice wanted to protect W. Alice, though.

IDK, now-a-days, every time I finish a chapter of Pandora Hearts and I see "end of chapter" I end up looking at the computer screen and thinking, saying, and/or silently screaming "WHAT THE FUCK?!" Am I the only who gets extremely confused during these chapters? I can't keep up with the characters anymore. I think I'm going to have to re-read the series from the begining. But, seriously, am I the only one who does.not.understand. what happens when I read the recent chapters? There are so many quick changes from past to present, memories, inside minds, inside the abyss, and all these quick settings and stuff, that I have some serious trouble reading and understanding. -___- And don't say it's because I'm dumb or something. Am I the only one? urghhhh


What I understand-ish: Oz is in some type of inner-problem inside himself and is a chain and Jack is possessing him (or whatever) and Jack is like, "I'm gonna destroy the earth to bring back lacie muahahaha yadadadada"

Then a million different flashbacks and some type of inner battle between inner Alice and Jack who is inside Oz (WHERE ARE THEY?!) and they fight and Lacie is trying to come back and Alice is like "no way, he'll destroy and kill and chains will break" and then I wasn't sure if the chains that were breaking were just from the flashback or were from the flashback AND the present.

Oh and maybe it was actually a memory of Alice and Jack instead of inner Alice and Jack inside Oz. And then Alice kills herself but Alice doesn't know why she sort of doesn't exist. And then Gil shoots Oz and some guy is like "muahahaha you must listen to ME" and the other Gilbert, I forgot his name, the guy who knew Jack and Lacie, he's in the background... or a memory... or is the inner (I think his name is Leo(?)) guy who was all "Gil must listen to me."

Am I close? I still don't get it though. Like, what part was in what world/memory, who is Leo (is he the guy with glasses who went crazy or something), and... JUST WHAT IS GOING ON?! =____=

*slowly dying* someone please explain, i really want to like Pandora Hearts because it's really interesting, but sometimes I just can't keep up with the quick changes, the many settings, characters, and get confused on the implied parts... Well anyway... sorry for writing so much.

First, Jack wants to destroy the chains surrounding the world in order to make the world fall into the abyss.

• When Jack and Alice were inside the Baskerville's mansion: Jack had started destroying the chains together with Oz, but Glen released his 5 chains in order to stop the destruction. Alice was trying to prevent W. Alice/Alyss/The Will from coming to this world, and not Lacie. If she had come, she would help Jack. < That was a flashback.
  
• Present: Jack wanted to kill Alice but failed because his body was weak, but he did destroy the chains using B-Rabbit's/Oz's power.
  
• And then Alice kills herself but Alice doesn't know why she sort of doesn't exist. < I don't get what you mean.
  
• The same way Jack is awaking in Oz's body, the same is happening to Leo. I'm not sure if he's the next Glen or if he's just some kind of reincarnation, but that panel showing Oswald and then Leo was just a way to represent him and show they are almost the same person. Oswald is like a inner-self of Leo, it wasn't a memory.
  Hope it clears up a bit. Somehow I don't really find the flashbacks confusing.. I just love them! XD

There is just one thing I don't understand, why Jack wants to send the whole world/country to the abyss, why doesn't just go he himself? (I don't know if that question is well redacted) I mean, HE's the one who wants to see Lacie, be with her and all that, he doesn't have to send a whole city/country/world, for that xd

That's 'cause once Lacie said that, even though she had experienced bad things in the world by being a misfortune child, she loved the world. And since she was sacrificed to the abyss, Jack feels that if he makes the whole world fall into there, she'll be extremely happy. She won't be alone anymore, that's why.

;u ;


That was never said directly to Jack, but he saw Lacie's memories through B-Rabbit's stuffed doll and came to understand her feelings. Here is the panel where she said it.

Great chapter. I thought Gil would end up saving the day.. but he ended up shooting Oz because of Glen.

Wow this chapter blew me away, I'm shocked and in love with all these revelations, but throughout it all I still maintain my love for Jack! lol All this insanity hasn't changed my mind about him at all! Only thing i feel bad for is Jack's treatment of Oz T_T He seriously needs to stop telling Oz he's worthless! Ugh!

I'm not really surprised Alice killed herself, although i am sorta confused with white alice and black alice x_x So... i thought Oz (the doll) was with white alice in abyss... then how come black alice holds Oz dear too? If Oz was originally with black alice and wasnt in the abyss, how could he have so much power to be considered the most powerful chain?

Oz originally had two bodies, one in the abyss and one that B. Alice brought with her when she came out of the abyss. However, he only had one soul, so he had to switch places everytime between the abyss and the real world. B. Alice was way closer to Oz, as you can see that she was the one who gave him a name and somehow showed him the human feelings. He loved her and Alice loved him as well. W. Alice was always sad and tired as you can see in the latest chapters, she was always sleeping. She only got to be happy when Jack appeared and started talking to her. You didn't get to see her playing with Oz at all.

So, when W. Alice asked Oz to pass Lacie's memories to Jack, he lost the body he had in the real world, so B. Alice probably got really sad 'cause she could now only get to see him when she switched places with W. Alice. Then she would see him in the abyss. That's why you see the little memory of Alice saying that Oz was her's and her sister's, but she was the one who owned him because she loved him more, she gave him feelings and a name (Oz was extremely happy when he got a name, he was happy that he had life because of Lacie, but only when he received a name was when he started to understand the world better). Once W. Alice transformed Oz (the one who still was in the abyss) into a chain, he disappeared as a stuffed doll. Now why he's considered the most powerful chain, I don't know. Maybe because W. Alice put all her feelings into transforming him; or because he himself had feelings; or because his will to protect Alice was really strong.

It was amazing, 5/5 ! And wow, the end ! Gil, why did you shoot Oz ?! I was so moved when he apologized... On the other hand, I'm glad about that new twist. I can't wait to see what will be the consequence of their relationship... Please, not something too sad !

Roaar, Jack is so mean toward the poor Oz ! I cannot imagine what I would feel if I was him...

I really hope that is the case, because I desperately want to know the details of Gil's emotional turmoil right now. I definitely think that, in the end, he will be loyal to Oz. Although I may be biased because I know more about their relationship, somehow I just feel like Gil's attachment to Oz is stronger than his to Glen. Gil dedicated a good chunk of his life, (including nearly all of his teenage years,) literally abandoned everything he knew to switch families/households, PLUS made a contract with a chain for the purpose of reuniting with Oz. He loves him deeply, and as much as Glen may have meant to him in the past, (and undoubtedly still does,) his connection with Oz is one that is unique and unbreakable.

At least that's what I hope... ¬.¬
I don't know what I would do if Oz and Gil's relationship took a turn for the worst!! ;A; (Tissues and chocolate would undoubtedly be involved, though.....)

I this read things yesterday. I personal feel jack away been true to his nature. Him hurting Oz and trying end world. Jack does not care about anyone and not even himself, only person he ever care for was Lacie. I also feel this world mess up in more way then one. So Vessalius family has each generation child of misfortune is force in to the abyss this because they has power destroy the world and then other has power hold world together with the 5 chains become the head. They said misfortune may come off side effect to having person, who can hold 5 chains. Plus why we need new Glen after so long is maybe, human body not made hold 5 chains. Then we could also now say that Glen is tile and not a person or is mind of 5 chains together. I think when you become Glen after you had 5 chains inside and you this come understand some memory and knowledge that past Glen had and what 5 chains know. But this getting be only some of knowledge because it was obvious that Oswald Glen did not know all thing the Glen before him knew. I think that each Glen has teach new one before they die and other become new Glen. This was why Oswald was old Glen body guard. Plus old Glen or Revis still around a bit in till his body die from having five chains inside of him. I also question need of Glen he suppose be reason the that 4 family can control the abyss. Is he around so human can have power over both worlds or is keep world from falling apart, but chains were all ready there. Maybe this sick cycle came form human greed or maybe 5 chains together have power guard door between the abyss and the world.

It fucking sick and wrong what Vessalius family did Lacie. I love Alice more and I think she'll going to go insane at Gil for shooting Oz. Gil may not want do on purpose but he still has issue that he fucking hate Jack for his betrayal. I don't thing it was this Glen Oswald order that this did it. Also I'm curious to Oz, he said "It was before the Abyss became the dark place it is now." So what was abyss before it was became dark. I think there more to core abyss wants, then this see jack. Why maybe abyss become so twisted because because of all child misfortune that been push into and plus the people who made contract with chains. Glen said they become part of abyss. Thanks chains like Cheshire cat and Oz. I think there more to them and the 5 chains themselves. Then being a thoughtless monster. There may be a will to 5 chains. Maybe most chains that were human this wish return this world where they were human. And this why most chains try come to our world, but chains like Oz, Cheshire, and 5 chains may want something else. Like with Oz want Alice to be happy and maybe 5 chains may want world and abyss to remain separate. Or maybe the will of abyss and chains that were not human, wish return abyss to original state. Having world fall into abyss may help this wish or at least stop creating more the tormented soul of humans that fall into abyss making more dark. I also believe chains like Oz were not original human but with human becoming part of the abyss, it give more of consciousness to inhuman based chains and will of abyss.

I love Oz and want hurt everyone but Alice because they fucking using him one way or another. It wrong and they purpose let him believe he was human. I also want know what deal that will of abyss made with Xerxes. Maybe it was protect Oz. He away help Oz.

I wonder will of abyss this Lacie and Oz is real core of abyss?

Heartbreaking chapter yet again, don't know how much more of this I can take!

A few people have mentioned that the way Alice fell looked unnatural, well I took a look and I don't think Alice killed herself after all.

The scissors she picked up off the table and the pair covered in blood don't look the same at all to me, not to mention the handle was completely hidden by Alice's hands and when she fell her hands were void of blood as well as the pair found at the side of her looked a lot sharper and thinner in shape.

Maybe I'm just being very sceptical, but you can never be sure with Pandora Hearts until you see the body!