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Wrong but it can be applied. The mystery was solvable upon seeing the movie.
After I reached this point in your theory, continuing on was pointless. Everyone met up in the center before heading to the room.


OKAY time to explain shit.... I got sick of reading everyone's theories after seeing the shit theories.
Why Episode Theories FAILED:
1) Grass stood up ... If someone had used the grass it might make sense but the window was too hard to open and the culprit could be seen.
2) The rope does count but the time difference and how load and hard to open the window disables the theory... everything takes a certain amount of time and they didn't have it.
3) Not enough blood and this is a MYSTERY not a HORROR. I do believe Oreki pointed that out dead quick. She read Sherlock Homes books... REAL mysteries, not ghost stories... so the occult is that last place to look.

Time for the answer that is right in front of your faces:

And that's my answer. This means that the crime seen in the video was answered when we saw the video.

Just curious what you mean when you commented on my post. Also I agree with your spoiler. And I would like to add, why is the hand so far away from the body?

The part where Chitanda introduced herself as "I'm Chow!" is so funny.. xD

As I said, everyone met up so no one could've been in the room so nobody could "suddenly join the group". They were all outside the door and opened it with the master key together. Instead of continuing reading your post, i merely skimmed for important words and none fit the bill... I was also sick of staring at wrong theories by then so I was hoping someone would point out what I put in my spoiler but no luck it seemed.

The reason his arm was for from his body is obvious. They struggled and when they made him into a fake corpse, they had to hide his real arm so it didn't show on the video. Another thing that people should've picked up on was the key wasn't on his person, it wasn't even clenched in his hand. The fact that the body was far from the key made it even more obvious that the key had been switched...

Also, he could have been still trying to get the key back from the murderer when his body gave out and he collapsed dead which goes to show you why his corpse isn't near the key. Putting the corpse near the hand would be too obvious with a blood trail all over the floor too...

I think they can easily know what keys belongs to which door, and so it would be weird if any of the characters in the movie dont try to check the key or realize about that.

It's possible but i don't buy it.
I think the answer is either the masterkey or that the door wasn't locked at all.


By the way im the only one who thinks that eba is actually hongou? if don't im pretty sure that at least eba knows the truth.

I hope you read the novel to back this up since you sound pretentious as fuck.

Just wait until the answer is revealed. I'm almost willing to bet that we're all going to get trolled.

And Oreki surprised at being called a hardcore mystery reader = win. :D

Oh Chitanda. I loled when she passed out. XD

Your theory makes sense. However, it's best to reject theories respectfully. You're just coming off as a smart ass now. And just for that, I hope you're wrong next week so I can look back and smile :D

Nothing brings me more joy than seeing someone so sure of himself end up completely wrong. Reminds me of the end of death note ;D

Chitanda gets even more insufferable when she's drunk. ಠ_ಠ

I like your theory but the chance that the door would be checked by more than 1 person, or even when the culprit goes to get the master key has a high probability as well. you can tell whether someone is holding the door outside the room as opposed to the door is locked if you're trying to open it... assuming the reality of a situation like that, multiple people would be trying to force the door open so if they wanted to add reality to the situation... I do like your theory though, entirely possible :)

Was the severed hand mentioned in Hongou's script? Mazui's translation of the script seems to suggest that the hand was one of the improvisations made by the props manager, in which case it would no longer apply to the original mystery.

The horror-ending theory is ruled out not only by the assertion that the genre is in fact mystery, but also by the class votes themselves- the record of the decisions made by the class as a whole (the minutes) shows us that the film is set to have 2 deaths, as voted on by 2-F. I can't read what they decided for the murder weapon (it's on the top of the page Chitanda was looking at, item 31.), so can someone confirm that for us? It might be relevant.

The three witnesses are almost certainly working for the 'Queen', Irisu. I feel almost like she's doing this to actively challenge him, but why would she?

I was referring to the episode when the third girl in charge of the posters or w/e who said a NEW person was there. A villain similar to Scream.. but I wasn't saying it was my own theory, and I was just discussing it.




Isn't that kind of an assumption... that it was the director's fault that the hand was far from the body. But then again the blood would be a bit more splattered on the floor (not to sure if that's what you were trying to say). So yeah, it could be the directors fault. Then again, so could the unclenched key could be because he lost tension in his arm as it was being cut off.

Furthermore, we can't really test the reality of everything since it's a show. Unless your referring to the people in the film then that is more understandable.

Finally didn't they mention that the killer would of been spotted in the main foyer? Although it was the props manager who mentioned it, wouldn't that be valid? or can we say that the person you mentioned exited from the open window in EMPTY ROOM #2? this may not be the case thought, since I think we have already debunked the window theory.

Now this was the first episode to be utterly boring for me. It was OK though, because drunken Chitanda was slightly entertaining.

I'd like to further point out to that fellow so gleefully flaunting his closed-room solution that it has not, in fact, solved the mystery- anyone can form closed-room theories all they like, but as long as no culprit is proposed without good backing evidence, you've effectively said zilch.

They went to a place in the middle of nowhere, there was dust everywhere... if there was another person there already, it would have been a preordained murder and the suspects are obvious and the `cops` would solve the problem immediately. Even with extra people, it becomes way too obvious that way.

Yea I was talking about the characters but in that sort of situation no one suspects the key might have been swiped... they see a key and let whoever pick it up... the culprit picks it up, switches the key again, and gets away free... :\ I get sick of seeing the same type of action countless times over.

I should go re-watch the movie's airing one more time but I don't think I'll pick up on any more clues at this point...

1)

Eru's moe went over 9000 when she got tipsy. Too bad it didn't make her more skinshippy towards oreki. Damn, my MS ChitandaXOreki needs moar fuel!

2)

I don't have a set theory, but I DO believe certain things need to be mentioned.

a) The writer seems to be a novice and read quite a few sherlock holmes books.
I think she didn't make up her own mystery but rearranged stuff from the books. Those little notes Eru found were will probably have some weight in where to find the part she used for this movie.

b)
She ordered the rope, but it wasn't used the way annoying guy #2 thought. Since we didn't see it in the movie, it could very well be a supporting prop to make the actual mystery happen

c) I think it wasn't mentioned here before, but the writer only ordered VERY LITTLE BLOOD. The amount we see in the movie is actually much more than she had in mind. This may very well be a part of the mystery.

3)
Just for the notes, Eru did not say "Chow desu!".
Instead, person #3 (the bubbly girl) said "Ciao" when she entered, which is an informal italian greeting, meaning "hi" or "bye". Eru saying "Ciao" too instead of something japanese was her tipsyness speaking, and adding "desu" was her being herself -> overly polite. Just had to mention that.


Alltogether, I WANNA KNOW WHATS GOING ON! I WANT IT TO BE NEXT WEEK!

The mystery is so POORLY done... it's too clear that it's fake and it bothers the hell out of me... even if you're acting or adlibing, the effort they're putting in is like 0. It bothers the fuck out of me.

The keys looked similar and as I said above, the murderer just had to make sure to switch them before anyone looked to closely at them.

The blood is in a pool instead of splattering so the realism sucks too bad and there's no trail between the hand and body so we can't pull too much... even if they sucked at special effects, they should've been able to realize what they did wrong.

The guy who tries to open the door later uses the master key makes the lock click so I'm willing to bet it was locked.

It doesn't look like a surprise because there doesn't seem to be a struggle so it was one of the 5 because those are the only ones the character would have known to be there... if it was someone else, it would've caught him off guard and it would look more sketchy....

Again, something we all noticed was that there was no scream which makes this confusing... was it a murder? or was it a accidental suicide? :\

Drunken Eru is over 9000!!!

Oh well, in a sense, it's a nothing happened episode. All theories are rejected.

Really, "Why didn't she ask EBA?"
Eba is Hongou's best friend. She might know some useful clues.

That is so bad it actually turns up to be entertaining :D
problem is that there is no real reason WHY he was killed so it makes that mystery very weak

First theory was entertaining - but being seen by others, really? Room is next to the corner so passing there is very easy thing to do. Bigger problem would be, why victim let someone enter his room by the window (unless said person had entered by the doors and than went out this way).
Still he was right about drama (or stage) part of the story.

And I still think that it was the Yellow guy (Katsuta?) he was able to set the stage (by opening the windows and doors earlier)

Finally Chitanda was bearable - especially in a part where she was sleeping :P